anyone any experience with m1t?

[edje007]

He guys, just came across some good old m1t. I've used sd in the past, but never m1t.

Anyone any experience with m1t?

 

[edje007]

I thought it was banned in the us in2004, but it is still available in the uk.


Anybody?

 

[edje007]

it works and its toxic. it feels like poison to some people. i was doing a cycle of it one time and had a urinalysis done and they told me it had blood cells in it. with the other options available on the market today, there is really no reason to be cycling m1t imo. m4ohn is available from the uk also.
M1T

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Nomenclature:

17a-methyl-1-testosterone, or 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-1-androsten-3-one, or 17a-methyl-5a-androst-1-ene-3-one-17b-ol

Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio:

910-1600:100-220 vs. methyl test by oral administration. [1][2]

Synonyms:

Methyl-1-testosterone, 17aa-M1T, M1T, Methyl Dread, M-One-T, 17a-methyl-dihydroboldenone

History:

It was originally synthesized as early as 1962 at Searle Laboratories though, like most compounds researched in the 1960s, never made it as far as human testing. Although it was extremely anabolic, it also possessed fairly strong androgenic qualities and was consigned to the annals of history, until it was unearthed decades later to take the bodybuilding supplement industry by storm.

M1T was the culmination of an arms race in the industry during the late 90s and early 2000s that started when Patrick Arnold released the prohormone to testosterone 4-androstenedione. He then followed it up with the hugely popular 1-androstenediol, a 1-testosterone precursor. Other firms took this one step further by producing the already-active 1-testosterone, and finally Legal Gear (now LG Sciences) upped the ante by bringing to market Methyl 1-Testosterone (M1T), which unlike the previous compounds was an entirely synthetic (non-naturally occurring) fully active oral steroid. [3]

The popularity of this and other synthetic hormones (along with a couple of sports doping scandals) attracted a lot of unwanted attention to the industry, resulting in the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 which saw M1T, 1-AD, 4-AD, and every prohormone and steroid the US govt. could think of added to Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act, making them illegal to sell or possess, [4] though no legislative action has been taken against it in the UK at the time of writing.

Structure and Function:

This is a 17a-methylated compound, making it highly orally available. It lacks the delta-4 double bond of testosterone, having a 1,2 double bond instead. This means that it will not aromatise, and it will not 5a-reduce in androgen-sensitive tissues like testosterone can (since it's 5a-reduced already). Metabolism is limited, to a large extent, to reduction of the double bond and hydroxylation of the 3-ketone. [5]
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Fig 1. Metabolism of 1-androstenes [6] (image simplified for illustrative purposes).

Effects:

Users can expect significant and rapid weight gain accompanied by extreme gains in strength. This is not a compound to be underestimated and would be well-suited to those looking for immediate results. Some of the weight gained will be in the form of fluid retention that will be lost upon cessation, though long-lasting physique improvements can be made by taking full advantage of the short highly anabolic window of the cycle.

Side Effects:

Many have assumed that M1T aromatises, however that is structurally impossible. What is possible - and much more likely in my opinion - is that it is an inhibitor of 11b-hydroxylase, which would account for both the apparent water retention ("bloat") and high blood pressure some users experience.

Inhibition of 11b-hydroxylase can lead to increased renin secretion which results in higher levels of aldosterone, a mineralocorticoid that causes high blood pressure and water retention through sodium retention and the excretion of potassium. [7]
One study on bodybuilders found far higher levels of aldosterone in the steroid-taking group than in the non-steroid taking group - and these changes remained far past the end of their cycles. [8]
This may or may not be the case for M1T (and many other steroids), but it is food for thought, particularly as a previous study pointed the finger at aldosterone as a cause of left ventricular hypertrophy, and suggested that it's heart remodelling effects may be unrelated to it's blood-pressure increasing effects. [9]

Liver toxicity is also a concern with this compound. While there are many 17a-methylated compounds on the market, they are not all equally hepatotoxic at like-for-like dosages. Protodrol for example is likely to impart minimal hepatic impact at doses of 100mg for six weeks, while 20mg of M1T for a couple of weeks will significantly adversely affect liver function markers. Abuse of this drug with high doses for long periods of time can result in intrahepatic cholestasis (jaundice), and for this reason cycles should be kept short, low-dosed, and alcohol-free.

Recommended Dosages and Cycle Durations:

Most trainees should see dramatic results at 10mg/day for two to three weeks, the cautious may do well on 5mg, while the more reckless will use higher doses and durations. Although cycles are short, it's a strong suppressive compound, so a full SERM PCT protocol is advised.

References:

[1] Acta Endocrinol December 1, 1966 53 635-643 [link]
[2] J. Med. Chem., 1965, 8 (1), pp 48-52 [link]
[3] The History Of Pro-Hormones on Super Human Radio
[4] Senate Bill 2195
[5] Recent Advances in Doping Analysis (14), Sport und Buch Strauss, Cologne, Germany, 2006, pp. 249-258.
[6] J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2009 May;115(1-2):44-61.
[7] Cardiovascular Toxicity of Anabolic Steroids, Annual Review of Pharmacology and Toxicology Vol. 33: 497-520
[8] Recent advances in doping analysis (12). Sport und Buch Strauß, Köln (2004) 395-401
[9] Clin Exp Pharmacol Physiol. 2001 Oct;28(10):783-91.

thanks man....probably wise to stick to sd I guess.....or maybe just a 2 or 3 week cycle. decisions decisions

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

It's better than SD but it's also worse. If you could use it with test it would be better. I feel like azz but look awesome on it.

 

[Distilled Water]

It's the sh!t but you feel like it too, lethargy like crazy.

I logg'd it back in 07? Search my name & M1T, you shouldn't have trouble finding it.

 

[edje007]

It's the sh!t but you feel like it too, lethargy like crazy.

I logg'd it back in 07? Search my name & M1T, you shouldn't have trouble finding it.

thanks man...I 'm going to look it up

 

[edje007]

It's better than SD but it's also worse. If you could use it with test it would be better. I feel like azz but look awesome on it.

thanks bro....using it as a kicker along side test can be an option. sd at a higher dose made me feel like asssss, but look awesome. Oh well, looking awesome is what it's all about...lol

 

[BigShadow]

Took a lot of m1t by legal gear years ago. Cycled 2 weeks on 2 off for let's just say a very long time. ( got sold a bunch real cheap before the ban) never did a oct or pct. total lack of knowledge and expertise. It was sold to me by the owner of worlds gym which I believe are all pf now! I had no idea what I was taking for years but lets just say huge strength gains. And even to this day I can stop training for a year and it only takes me about 2 months to gain it all back. I guess it effects everyone different. I have no adverse health effects that I know of. I do know it's 7 times more anabolic then testosterone!

 

[edje007]

Took a lot of m1t by legal gear years ago. Cycled 2 weeks on 2 off for let's just say a very long time. ( got sold a bunch real cheap before the ban) never did a oct or pct. total lack of knowledge and expertise. It was sold to me by the owner of worlds gym which I believe are all pf now! I had no idea what I was taking for years but lets just say huge strength gains. And even to this day I can stop training for a year and it only takes me about 2 months to gain it all back. I guess it effects everyone different. I have no adverse health effects that I know of. I do know it's 7 times more anabolic then testosterone!

damn bro....strong body and liver ....7times more anabolic then test? very interesting

 

[vidapreta]

It's the sh!t but you feel like it too, lethargy like crazy.

Lethargy for me was always much worse on Superdrol.

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[vidapreta]

Hey but now they're both illegal..LOL

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[edje007]

Hey but now they're both illegal..LOL

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not in the uk

 

[edje007]

still available, around 25 pounds per bottle.

 

[jbryand101b]

M1t is good stuff. Alpha one is a ph to m1t, as well as being active on its own, good shiit.

Make sure you use cycle assist.

 

[vidapreta]

its 9-16 times as anabolic as methyl testosterone according to Vida
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What? According to me??? LOL

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[ripped_one]

M1t = poison

Superdrol is safe comparitively.

 

[vidapreta]

M1t = poison

Superdrol is safe comparitively.

Sure, whatever you say.

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[jbryand101b]

M1t = poison

Superdrol is safe comparitively.

not sure if serious....

 

[vidapreta]

not sure if serious....

He's serious...Bro Science at It's Finest..

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[edje007]

He's serious...Bro Science at It's Finest..

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hahaha....

anyway, appreciate all reactions....still want to give it a go...poison or no poison

 

[T-Bone]

I took it when it was first released by VPX. Took the regular dosage on the label. Within 5 days I started pissing blood.

 

[vidapreta]

I took it when it was first released by VPX. Took the regular dosage on the label. Within 5 days I started pissing blood.

Yea but Superdrol almost gave you liver failure.

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[T-Bone]

Yea but Superdrol almost gave you liver failure.

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True.

 

[edje007]

I took it when it was first released by VPX. Took the regular dosage on the label. Within 5 days I started pissing blood.

ok...well that's one side I wouldn't like to experience

 

[pdredman72]

I used gaspari's m1t in 04 I think and i can say it was the best supplement I have ever used except denkalls t400! I had no sides went from just under 200#s to 230 in 5 weeks and added 100#s on my bench the stuff was awesome for me but everyones different! Would choose one bottle of m1t over two cyps

 

[csa2179]

I used gaspari's m1t in 04 I think and i can say it was the best supplement I have ever used except denkalls t400! I had no sides went from just under 200#s to 230 in 5 weeks and added 100#s on my bench the stuff was awesome for me but everyones different! Would choose one bottle of m1t over two cyps

U ran it 5 weeks? What u does the denkalls, it's deca test blend right?

 

[ripped_one]

He's serious...Bro Science at It's Finest..

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No, not broscience. I bought two huge bottles of this in 03 and stopped after I started peeing really dark after less than a week. My buddy actually wound up in the ER for a few days with acute liver failure from it. He was yellow itchy and puking his guts out.. not to mention his pee looked like iced tea.

M1t is definitely one of the most liver toxic out there but it is very anabolic. Google m1t bloodwork or m1t poison. You'll see.

Either way, keep doses to 10 mg tops with 4 weeks max if you do use it. It gets dangerous in a hurry at higher doses...

Again. Everything I say is from experience or has data behind it...

 

[Distilled Water]

After 4 weeks, ramping to 15 or 20mg my liver values were just north of normal range, literally a point or 2 and my doctor didn't say anything.

Goes to show everyone is different.

 

[ripped_one]

After 4 weeks, ramping to 15 or 20mg my liver values were just north of normal range, literally a point or 2 and my doctor didn't say anything.

Goes to show everyone is different.

Your liver is just a beast. Heheh.

 

[bpmartyr]

I used M1T at 15mg for 3.5 weeks, liver values were elevated less than a weekend bender gives me. The strength gains were huge, eating at maintenance and still gained some LBM. Always used it with test, except for once with 4AD I think, can't remember that far back well. Gives me horrible shin and lower back pumps when running at 15mg, staggering between 5-10mg alleviated that (and 5g taurine). Also reduces my appetite.

Superdrol also treated my liver fine but actually elevated my liver values slightly higher than M1T. Other results similar but less and actually incresed my appetite for carbs through the roof. Swear I needed 400g of carbs a day on that stuff.

 

[edje007]

You guys are great.....a lot of different reactions, so I guess I just have to try it soon....

Atleast buy 1 or 2 bottles before it disappears from the market....

 

[vidapreta]

M1t = poison

Superdrol is safe comparitively.

No, not broscience. I bought two huge bottles of this in 03 and stopped after I started peeing really dark after less than a week. My buddy actually wound up in the ER for a few days with acute liver failure from it. He was yellow itchy and puking his guts out.. not to mention his pee looked like iced tea.

M1t is definitely one of the most liver toxic out there but it is very anabolic. Google m1t bloodwork or m1t poison. You'll see.

Either way, keep doses to 10 mg tops with 4 weeks max if you do use it. It gets dangerous in a hurry at higher doses...

Again. Everything I say is from experience or has data behind it...

All that could equally be said of Superdrol..Just google it or ask a few people here, who took a trip to the ER.

 

[edje007]

All that could equally be said of Superdrol..Just google it or ask a few people here, who took a trip to the ER.

That's true....I've done 1 sd cycle, 4 weeks, 20/20/30/30. No sides except for lethargy.

Took the liver support ofcource, and clomid as pct. Loved it.

I got nolva last week, so serm wise I'm ready.

Still not sure about my next cycle, so all comments are still welcome about m1t.

 

[ripped_one]

All that could equally be said of Superdrol..Just google it or ask a few people here, who took a trip to the ER.

I actually used the original ax superdrol when it went on sale years ago, maybe 04ish. I have my own blood work from it. My hdl was a 7 after 4 weeks. Liver enzymes were at the high end of normal. I don't need Google. I've been on source boards and a couple private boards for almost 10 years.

 

[vidapreta]

I actually used the original ax superdrol when it went on sale years ago, maybe 04ish. I have my own blood work from it. My hdl was a 7 after 4 weeks. Liver enzymes were at the high end of normal. I don't need Google. I've been on source boards and a couple private boards for almost 10 years.

Bro saying M1T is poison and that Superdrol is comparatively SAFE, is some reckless advise Neither of them are completely safe. They both have the same potential to f@ck someone up. And everyone responds different..

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[water43]

did m1t when it first came ou on lg's first sight, some of the best AAS is very toxic ! great gains in stregth /size !m1t/test prop=awsome

 

[vassille]

I actually used the original ax superdrol when it went on sale years ago, maybe 04ish. I have my own blood work from it. My hdl was a 7 after 4 weeks. Liver enzymes were at the high end of normal. I don't need Google. I've been on source boards and a couple private boards for almost 10 years.

Read your answers and you def on point with your advice and experience with these PHs. I have experienced similar effects.

In a ddition for the original poster, M1T has also pregesterone sides so taking nolva to combat gyno will most likely give you lumps.
M1T is poison and makes taking injectable testosterone child's play so be careful. It will destroy your lipids, mess up digestive system somewhat, and def increase liver values.
M1T toxicity is about equal to dbol/anadrol together, dose dependent of course. Hope that would give you some idea how toxic this shiet is.

 

[Cadack]

Read your answers and you def on point with your advice and experience with these PHs. I have experienced similar effects.

In a ddition for the original poster, M1T has also pregesterone sides so taking nolva to combat gyno will most likely give you lumps.
M1T is poison and makes taking injectable testosterone child's play so be careful. It will destroy your lipids, mess up digestive system somewhat, and def increase liver values.
M1T toxicity is about equal to dbol/anadrol together, dose dependent of course. Hope that would give you some idea how toxic this shiet is.

Don't let anyone fool you superdrol is just as toxic as m1t anyone who believes that it is safer is ignorant. Just ask bluedevil he messed himself up pretty bad on sd

 

[jbryand101b]

I recently ran a cycle about 2-3 months ago.

it was 600mg of 4-androstenediol + 600mg of bold 200 for 6 weeks, this was my base.

started with m1t, iron labs, 5mg caps.

I ran it 15-20mg for 3 weeks.

I then bridged with

dragon nutrition's methyl dienolone, 2mg caps.

I proceeded to run this at 12mg for the remaning 3 weeks.


I have nothing bad to say about the cycle, except my hdl was in the single digits.

 

[technique88]

After 4 weeks, ramping to 15 or 20mg my liver values were just north of normal range, literally a point or 2 and my doctor didn't say anything.

Goes to show everyone is different.

This is very true...I kick started my cycle with SD and my liver values were 100% normal. Everyone is different.

 

[edje007]

I recently ran a cycle about 2-3 months ago.

it was 600mg of 4-androstenediol + 600mg of bold 200 for 6 weeks, this was my base.

started with m1t, iron labs, 5mg caps.

I ran it 15-20mg for 3 weeks.

I then bridged with

dragon nutrition's methyl dienolone, 2mg caps.

I proceeded to run this at 12mg for the remaning 3 weeks.

I have nothing bad to say about the cycle, except my hdl was in the single digits.

what where your gains?

 

[jbryand101b]

after all said and done, about 10lbs. It was a recomp cycle, and prob the best recomp cycle i've ever ran.

once i got on the methyl dienolone, I leaned out very nicely.

dont think i noticed much from the bold 200 and 4-andro-diol, i think they were too old.

after that, i've been much more focused on increasing my aerobic capacity, and over all fitness level.

im not even sure when i'll run another cycle.

 

[vidapreta]

im not even sure when i'll run another cycle.

Don't worry, in about 3 months you'll start to get that itch..:lol:

 

[edje007]

Don't worry, in about 3 months you'll start to get that itch..:lol:

I feel the itch.....so much more fun when on

 

[edje007]

ordered and received 2 bottles of m1t. Not planning on using them anytime soon, but just stocking up just in case.

next cycle is going to be 1 alpha by redefine finaflex, sponsored log(thanks guys)