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    Next Cycle: Time for some all american beef cake.


    Spent the last month trying to recover some lost muscle from a month of medical hell.
    Current stats: 6'00" 200ish (dont have a scale)
    bf% around 15 going to try and lower it to around 13% in the next three months while gaining muscle.
    Going to start the cycle in around 3 months assuming everything goes to plan.

    Staples used throughout:
    Fishoil 5g daily
    Orange Triad
    CEE 4g daily 3 weeks on 1 off
    Taurine 3g daily
    Potassium
    Glucosamine
    Brotein

    Cycle:
    1-12: Test E at 500mg (250mg twice a week)
    1-4: Superdrol 20mg daily
    7-12: tren a at 50mg daily (debating the tren)
    1-7: Tudca 250mg daily
    1-12: Armidex .5mg daily
    1-12: AI cycle support
    Caber on hand
    4-12 HCG 200iu (twice a week)

    PCT starting week 14
    Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
    Purus labs dpol
    Erase 0/0/0/0/3/2/1

    Nutrition:
    Calories 4000 daily
    CARBOHYDRATE PROTEIN FAT

    350g 400g 111g

    Going to use a push/pull/legs day routine which is my favorite for a bulk.


    Questions/ comments/ concerns always welcome.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    CEE... y u do dat?
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    Creatine ethyl ester, are you talking about the dosing schedule?
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    Creatine ethyl ester, are you talking about the dosing schedule?
    No, talking about the fact that CEE is probably the worst form of creatine available
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    I have a bottle on the way and I would like to try it. What form would you recommend?

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    No, talking about the fact that CEE is probably the worst form of creatine available
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards
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    mono...make it a staple
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    Out of curiosity, why does everyone wait until the last week of PCT to start erase, then taper it down? I've been running it from the start of PCT as a mild AI since I ceased adex in PCT and I wanted to make sure to continue limiting the excess test in my system from aromatizing. Also, as far as tapering goes...isn't it a suicide AI, and therefore does not need tapered?
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    I push myself to limits everyday i train tbh, visited my mum yesterday and she said i looked a bit bigger, she doesnt know about the steroids
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    No, talking about the fact that CEE is probably the worst form of creatine available
    Why is CEE the worst? Isn't the the fastest/most absorbed creatine?
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    You are not attempting to stop estro during pct with an AI you are attempting to stop the estrogen values from rising after pct. When on a SERM the SERM should protect you from estrogenic sides.


    Quote Originally Posted by GreenEarth View Post
    Out of curiosity, why does everyone wait until the last week of PCT to start erase, then taper it down? I've been running it from the start of PCT as a mild AI since I ceased adex in PCT and I wanted to make sure to continue limiting the excess test in my system from aromatizing. Also, as far as tapering goes...isn't it a suicide AI, and therefore does not need tapered?
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    I have a bottle on the way and I would like to try it. What form would you recommend?
    Quote Originally Posted by Damorgs View Post
    Why is CEE the worst? Isn't the the fastest/most absorbed creatine?
    Clinical studies have shown that CEE converts solely to creatinine. This is obviously what we do not want. People rave about the side effect free nature of CEE, that's because it's not working so there's no side effects. My recommendation is to simply use Creapure monohydrate, or even bulk MCC (magnesium creatine chelate). I love MCC pre bed, nice little sleep aid not to mention it keeps my creatine levels saturated.
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    creatine mono man. it's the most studied for a reason, it works.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    I have a bottle on the way and I would like to try it. What form would you recommend?
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    Any comments on the cycle besides the creatine I use is worthless?
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    You are not attempting to stop estro during pct with an AI you are attempting to stop the estrogen values from rising after pct. When on a SERM the SERM should protect you from estrogenic sides.
    Interdasting...and the reason for tapering off?


    Also, just so you're prepared...CEE tastes absolutely horrid. Before having it I had just had mono, so I was expecting no taste...oh my, I got quite a surprise.
    Quote Originally Posted by LiamTaylor View Post
    I push myself to limits everyday i train tbh, visited my mum yesterday and she said i looked a bit bigger, she doesnt know about the steroids
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    I have been trying to figure the value of tapering as well, the theory I keep hearing is that the tapering is to allow estro to come back gradually, I havent seen any evidence on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenEarth View Post
    Interdasting...and the reason for tapering off?


    Also, just so you're prepared...CEE tastes absolutely horrid. Before having it I had just had mono, so I was expecting no taste...oh my, I got quite a surprise.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    Any comments on the cycle besides the creatine I use is worthless?
    Cycle looks legit bro. I've been wanting to run tren too. Have you used tren before?
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    No thats why I am hesitant.

    Quote Originally Posted by technique88 View Post
    Cycle looks legit bro. I've been wanting to run tren too. Have you used tren before?
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards
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    didn't say anything else because your cycle looks pretty sound. I personally like doing starting erase right away in pct. I do 1/2/3/3/3/2/1 but my nipples were puffed from trenazone so i did it to lower estro levels quicker and I used prami for prolactin but caber is suppose to be better than prami. your the first person on here I've seen that is pondering tren and you already have a pi so props
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    Any comments on the cycle besides the creatine I use is worthless?
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    like starting*

    not like doing starting
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    No thats why I am hesitant.
    I say run the tren. Start lower, like 25mg ED and work your way up.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    Spent the last month trying to recover some lost muscle from a month of medical hell.
    Current stats: 6'00" 200ish (dont have a scale)
    bf% around 15 going to try and lower it to around 13% in the next three months while gaining muscle.
    Going to start the cycle in around 3 months assuming everything goes to plan.

    Staples used throughout:
    Fishoil 5g daily
    Orange Triad
    CEE 4g daily 3 weeks on 1 off
    Taurine 3g daily
    Potassium
    Glucosamine
    Brotein

    Cycle:
    1-12: Test E at 500mg (250mg twice a week)
    1-4: Superdrol 20mg daily
    7-12: tren a at 50mg daily (debating the tren)
    1-7: Tudca 250mg daily
    1-12: Armidex .5mg daily
    1-12: AI cycle support
    Caber on hand
    4-12 HCG 200iu (twice a week)

    PCT starting week 14
    Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
    Purus labs dpol
    Erase 0/0/0/0/3/2/1

    Nutrition:
    Calories 4000 daily
    CARBOHYDRATE PROTEIN FAT

    350g 400g 111g

    Going to use a push/pull/legs day routine which is my favorite for a bulk.

    Questions/ comments/ concerns always welcome.
    Why wouldn't you use TUDCA throughout your cycle?? Jw
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGT99

    Why wouldn't you use TUDCA throughout your cycle?? Jw
    Never a bad idea...tudca is great for keeping lipids in check too.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    The reason is the simple fact that it is rather expensive and getting your hands on the 2 bottles that are required to run it for 8 weeks would be a christmas miracle. Mostly because getting several bottles is rather hard normally by the time I find one on sale there are 2 left if not just 1.

    On hindsight the money issue is moot but the availability is still an issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackGT99 View Post
    Why wouldn't you use TUDCA throughout your cycle?? Jw
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Wait might have just found udca.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    I am thinking maybe deca instead of tren. Like 200mg deca for 1-12. I need to read more into it however.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Okay new idea:
    1-13 Deca 400mg weekly
    1-14 Test e 500mg weekly
    1-4 Superdrol 20mg
    1-14 UDCA 250mg daily
    1-14 Letro .25mg daily
    Caber as needed

    All other supports and pct the same except the pct later. Also creatine is going to be monohydrate.


    Thoughts?
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Aww, I was excited to see a tren log ;(

    Not many around currently
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    Okay new idea:
    1-13 Deca 400mg weekly
    1-14 Test e 500mg weekly
    1-4 Superdrol 20mg
    1-14 UDCA 250mg daily
    1-14 Letro .25mg daily
    Caber as needed

    All other supports and pct the same except the pct later. Also creatine is going to be monohydrate.

    Thoughts?
    Any other AI you are willing to run? Letro seems a little intense. Other that that I'd like to see 14 weeks of deca and 16 of test. Gives you a little longer for deca and keeps numbers nice and even. If you decide to keep 13 weeks run the test 2 weeks past giving deca the full month to clear your system.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    As far as TUDCA goes, either use Antaeus Lab's Aegis or Omega Sports Liver Lock. Either that or find a chem site or the equivalent that sells UDCA. There area few floating around.
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    Cycle I think finalized:
    1-14 Deca 400mg weekly
    1-16 Test e 500mg weekly
    1-4 Superdrol 20mg
    1-14 TUDCA 250mg daily
    1-14 Letro .25mg daily
    Caber as needed
    2-14 HCG 250IUs twice a week

    Staples:
    5g fishoil
    Creatine Monohydrate 10g 3 weeks on 1 week off
    Orange Triad
    Brotein
    BCAAs
    Glutamine
    Purus Labs Condense


    PCT: Week 16-19
    Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
    Erase 0/0/0/3/2/1 (not expecting too much of a rebound but will elongate if necessary)
    Purus Labs Dpol 3/3/3/3
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    Cycle I think finalized:
    1-14 Deca 400mg weekly
    1-16 Test e 500mg weekly
    1-4 Superdrol 20mg
    1-14 TUDCA 250mg daily
    1-14 Letro .25mg daily
    Caber as needed
    2-14 HCG 250IUs twice a week

    Staples:
    5g fishoil
    Creatine Monohydrate 10g 3 weeks on 1 week off
    Orange Triad
    Brotein
    BCAAs
    Glutamine
    Purus Labs Condense

    PCT: Week 16-19
    Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
    Erase 0/0/0/3/2/1 (not expecting too much of a rebound but will elongate if necessary)
    Purus Labs Dpol 3/3/3/3
    Cycle looks good. Deca should be nice with 14 weeks.

    For pct you will start that 2 weeks after your last pin. You will start it week 18, giving the test / weeks to clear and deca a full month to clear. You will want to run your AI all the way up to pct.
    How come so set on Letro?
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    Not deadset just not sure what else to use at the moment
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    Cycle I think finalized:
    1-14 Deca 400mg weekly
    1-16 Test e 500mg weekly
    1-4 Superdrol 20mg
    1-14 TUDCA 250mg daily
    1-14 Letro .25mg daily
    Caber as needed
    2-14 HCG 250IUs twice a week

    Staples:
    5g fishoil
    Creatine Monohydrate 10g 3 weeks on 1 week off
    Orange Triad
    Brotein
    BCAAs
    Glutamine
    Purus Labs Condense

    PCT: Week 16-19
    Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
    Erase 0/0/0/3/2/1 (not expecting too much of a rebound but will elongate if necessary)
    Purus Labs Dpol 3/3/3/3
    Why not use NPP?

    If running deca I would do 16 weeks- but 14 should be fine too
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/164764-schwellington-has-been.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    Not deadset just not sure what else to use at the moment
    Use aromasin aka exemstane works great IMO
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/164764-schwellington-has-been.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    Not deadset just not sure what else to use at the moment
    Use aromasin aka exemstane works great IMO
    Test e/dbol/epi/winnie
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/164764-schwellington-has-been.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwellington

    Use aromasin aka exemstane works great IMO


    Everything else look good?
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
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    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil

    Everything else look good?
    Yeah just start pct 2 weeks after the last test pin and you're g2g. Like schwell said get some aromasin ad run it at 12.5mg eod or some Adex and run it at 0.5 mg eod. You could even get formasurge, or erase pro. Letro seems a bit overkill for on cycle. If you ate dealing with gyno then I would stay away
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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