Next Cycle: Time for some all american beef cake.

[Gerbil]

Spent the last month trying to recover some lost muscle from a month of medical hell.
Current stats: 6'00" 200ish (dont have a scale)
bf% around 15 going to try and lower it to around 13% in the next three months while gaining muscle.
Going to start the cycle in around 3 months assuming everything goes to plan.

Staples used throughout:
Fishoil 5g daily
Orange Triad
CEE 4g daily 3 weeks on 1 off
Taurine 3g daily
Potassium
Glucosamine
Brotein

Cycle:
1-12: Test E at 500mg (250mg twice a week)
1-4: Superdrol 20mg daily
7-12: tren a at 50mg daily (debating the tren)
1-7: Tudca 250mg daily
1-12: Armidex .5mg daily
1-12: AI cycle support
Caber on hand
4-12 HCG 200iu (twice a week)

PCT starting week 14
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
Purus labs dpol
Erase 0/0/0/0/3/2/1

Nutrition:
Calories 4000 daily
CARBOHYDRATE PROTEIN FAT

350g 400g 111g

Going to use a push/pull/legs day routine which is my favorite for a bulk.


Questions/ comments/ concerns always welcome.

 

[heavylifter33]

CEE... y u do dat?

 

[Gerbil]

Creatine ethyl ester, are you talking about the dosing schedule?

 

[Damorgs]

subbed!

 

[heavylifter33]

Creatine ethyl ester, are you talking about the dosing schedule?

No, talking about the fact that CEE is probably the worst form of creatine available

 

[Gerbil]

I have a bottle on the way and I would like to try it. What form would you recommend?

No, talking about the fact that CEE is probably the worst form of creatine available

 

[BeastMode 1]

mono...make it a staple

 

[GreenEarth]

Out of curiosity, why does everyone wait until the last week of PCT to start erase, then taper it down? I've been running it from the start of PCT as a mild AI since I ceased adex in PCT and I wanted to make sure to continue limiting the excess test in my system from aromatizing. Also, as far as tapering goes...isn't it a suicide AI, and therefore does not need tapered?

 

[Damorgs]

No, talking about the fact that CEE is probably the worst form of creatine available

Why is CEE the worst? Isn't the the fastest/most absorbed creatine?

 

[Gerbil]

You are not attempting to stop estro during pct with an AI you are attempting to stop the estrogen values from rising after pct. When on a SERM the SERM should protect you from estrogenic sides.

Out of curiosity, why does everyone wait until the last week of PCT to start erase, then taper it down? I've been running it from the start of PCT as a mild AI since I ceased adex in PCT and I wanted to make sure to continue limiting the excess test in my system from aromatizing. Also, as far as tapering goes...isn't it a suicide AI, and therefore does not need tapered?

 

[heavylifter33]

I have a bottle on the way and I would like to try it. What form would you recommend?

Why is CEE the worst? Isn't the the fastest/most absorbed creatine?

Clinical studies have shown that CEE converts solely to creatinine. This is obviously what we do not want. People rave about the side effect free nature of CEE, that's because it's not working so there's no side effects. My recommendation is to simply use Creapure monohydrate, or even bulk MCC (magnesium creatine chelate). I love MCC pre bed, nice little sleep aid not to mention it keeps my creatine levels saturated.

 

[LITERaCOLA]

creatine mono man. it's the most studied for a reason, it works.

I have a bottle on the way and I would like to try it. What form would you recommend?

 

[Gerbil]

Any comments on the cycle besides the creatine I use is worthless?

 

[GreenEarth]

You are not attempting to stop estro during pct with an AI you are attempting to stop the estrogen values from rising after pct. When on a SERM the SERM should protect you from estrogenic sides.

Interdasting...and the reason for tapering off?


Also, just so you're prepared...CEE tastes absolutely horrid. Before having it I had just had mono, so I was expecting no taste...oh my, I got quite a surprise.

 

[Gerbil]

I have been trying to figure the value of tapering as well, the theory I keep hearing is that the tapering is to allow estro to come back gradually, I havent seen any evidence on this.

Interdasting...and the reason for tapering off?


Also, just so you're prepared...CEE tastes absolutely horrid. Before having it I had just had mono, so I was expecting no taste...oh my, I got quite a surprise.

 

[technique88]

Any comments on the cycle besides the creatine I use is worthless?

Cycle looks legit bro. I've been wanting to run tren too. Have you used tren before?

 

[Gerbil]

No thats why I am hesitant.

Cycle looks legit bro. I've been wanting to run tren too. Have you used tren before?

 

[LITERaCOLA]

didn't say anything else because your cycle looks pretty sound. I personally like doing starting erase right away in pct. I do 1/2/3/3/3/2/1 but my nipples were puffed from trenazone so i did it to lower estro levels quicker and I used prami for prolactin but caber is suppose to be better than prami. your the first person on here I've seen that is pondering tren and you already have a pi so props

Any comments on the cycle besides the creatine I use is worthless?

 

[LITERaCOLA]

like starting*

not like doing starting

 

[technique88]

No thats why I am hesitant.

I say run the tren. Start lower, like 25mg ED and work your way up.

 

[BlackGT99]

Spent the last month trying to recover some lost muscle from a month of medical hell.
Current stats: 6'00" 200ish (dont have a scale)
bf% around 15 going to try and lower it to around 13% in the next three months while gaining muscle.
Going to start the cycle in around 3 months assuming everything goes to plan.

Staples used throughout:
Fishoil 5g daily
Orange Triad
CEE 4g daily 3 weeks on 1 off
Taurine 3g daily
Potassium
Glucosamine
Brotein

Cycle:
1-12: Test E at 500mg (250mg twice a week)
1-4: Superdrol 20mg daily
7-12: tren a at 50mg daily (debating the tren)
1-7: Tudca 250mg daily
1-12: Armidex .5mg daily
1-12: AI cycle support
Caber on hand
4-12 HCG 200iu (twice a week)

PCT starting week 14
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
Purus labs dpol
Erase 0/0/0/0/3/2/1

Nutrition:
Calories 4000 daily
CARBOHYDRATE PROTEIN FAT

350g 400g 111g

Going to use a push/pull/legs day routine which is my favorite for a bulk.

Questions/ comments/ concerns always welcome.

Why wouldn't you use TUDCA throughout your cycle?? Jw

 

[technique88]

Why wouldn't you use TUDCA throughout your cycle?? Jw

Never a bad idea...tudca is great for keeping lipids in check too.

 

[Gerbil]

The reason is the simple fact that it is rather expensive and getting your hands on the 2 bottles that are required to run it for 8 weeks would be a christmas miracle. Mostly because getting several bottles is rather hard normally by the time I find one on sale there are 2 left if not just 1.

On hindsight the money issue is moot but the availability is still an issue.

Why wouldn't you use TUDCA throughout your cycle?? Jw

 

[Gerbil]

Wait might have just found udca.

 

[Gerbil]

I am thinking maybe deca instead of tren. Like 200mg deca for 1-12. I need to read more into it however.

 

[Gerbil]

Okay new idea:
1-13 Deca 400mg weekly
1-14 Test e 500mg weekly
1-4 Superdrol 20mg
1-14 UDCA 250mg daily
1-14 Letro .25mg daily
Caber as needed

All other supports and pct the same except the pct later. Also creatine is going to be monohydrate.


Thoughts?

 

[Damorgs]

Aww, I was excited to see a tren log ;(

Not many around currently

 

[technique88]

Okay new idea:
1-13 Deca 400mg weekly
1-14 Test e 500mg weekly
1-4 Superdrol 20mg
1-14 UDCA 250mg daily
1-14 Letro .25mg daily
Caber as needed

All other supports and pct the same except the pct later. Also creatine is going to be monohydrate.

Thoughts?

Any other AI you are willing to run? Letro seems a little intense. Other that that I'd like to see 14 weeks of deca and 16 of test. Gives you a little longer for deca and keeps numbers nice and even. If you decide to keep 13 weeks run the test 2 weeks past giving deca the full month to clear your system.

 

[heavylifter33]

As far as TUDCA goes, either use Antaeus Lab's Aegis or Omega Sports Liver Lock. Either that or find a chem site or the equivalent that sells UDCA. There area few floating around.

 

[Gerbil]

Cycle I think finalized:
1-14 Deca 400mg weekly
1-16 Test e 500mg weekly
1-4 Superdrol 20mg
1-14 TUDCA 250mg daily
1-14 Letro .25mg daily
Caber as needed
2-14 HCG 250IUs twice a week

Staples:
5g fishoil
Creatine Monohydrate 10g 3 weeks on 1 week off
Orange Triad
Brotein
BCAAs
Glutamine
Purus Labs Condense


PCT: Week 16-19
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
Erase 0/0/0/3/2/1 (not expecting too much of a rebound but will elongate if necessary)
Purus Labs Dpol 3/3/3/3

 

[technique88]

Cycle I think finalized:
1-14 Deca 400mg weekly
1-16 Test e 500mg weekly
1-4 Superdrol 20mg
1-14 TUDCA 250mg daily
1-14 Letro .25mg daily
Caber as needed
2-14 HCG 250IUs twice a week

Staples:
5g fishoil
Creatine Monohydrate 10g 3 weeks on 1 week off
Orange Triad
Brotein
BCAAs
Glutamine
Purus Labs Condense

PCT: Week 16-19
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
Erase 0/0/0/3/2/1 (not expecting too much of a rebound but will elongate if necessary)
Purus Labs Dpol 3/3/3/3

Cycle looks good. Deca should be nice with 14 weeks.

For pct you will start that 2 weeks after your last pin. You will start it week 18, giving the test / weeks to clear and deca a full month to clear. You will want to run your AI all the way up to pct.
How come so set on Letro?

 

[Gerbil]

Not deadset just not sure what else to use at the moment

 

[schwellington]

Cycle I think finalized:
1-14 Deca 400mg weekly
1-16 Test e 500mg weekly
1-4 Superdrol 20mg
1-14 TUDCA 250mg daily
1-14 Letro .25mg daily
Caber as needed
2-14 HCG 250IUs twice a week

Staples:
5g fishoil
Creatine Monohydrate 10g 3 weeks on 1 week off
Orange Triad
Brotein
BCAAs
Glutamine
Purus Labs Condense

PCT: Week 16-19
Clomid 100/50/50/50/50
Erase 0/0/0/3/2/1 (not expecting too much of a rebound but will elongate if necessary)
Purus Labs Dpol 3/3/3/3

Why not use NPP?

If running deca I would do 16 weeks- but 14 should be fine too

 

[schwellington]

Not deadset just not sure what else to use at the moment

Use aromasin aka exemstane works great IMO

 

[schwellington]

Not deadset just not sure what else to use at the moment

Use aromasin aka exemstane works great IMO

 

[Gerbil]

Use aromasin aka exemstane works great IMO

Everything else look good?

 

[technique88]

Everything else look good?

Yeah just start pct 2 weeks after the last test pin and you're g2g. Like schwell said get some aromasin ad run it at 12.5mg eod or some Adex and run it at 0.5 mg eod. You could even get formasurge, or erase pro. Letro seems a bit overkill for on cycle. If you ate dealing with gyno then I would stay away