A little help on first cycle please
- 09-04-2012, 02:21 PM
A little help on first cycle please
Done a hell of a lot of research and this will be my first go at anabolics. I know the sd is strong for a first go but I'm gonna do it just want to make sure I have everything in check
Going to do a 15 week cycle of test e (250 twice per week) with a Superdrol kicker in week 1-4 or should I do it 2-5?
Preloading for 1 week with either cycle assist or cycle support
Throughout cycle and pct I will be taking:
Cycle assist or cycle support
Fish oil ~5g/day
Creatine? (not sure if I should keep taking while on)
Week 1-4 or 2-5
Test E 250 twice per week (monday/Thursday)
Should I run some erase or another AI towards the end of the cycle such as in week 10 or so? Or should I look more into letro and use as needed?
I am 5'7" 170lbs and a hard gainer. I eat roughly 3.5 calories per day, high protein high carb and moderate fat. Basically as much food as I can and still have very visible 6 pack. Goal is strength and to keep around 20lbs at the least after pct and all is complete
How does it look? Still getting everything together
- 09-04-2012, 02:28 PM
Have aromasin on hand for sure, but don't use it unless you start to see any estro sides. 15 weeks is long for first cycle you may want to do 10-12 weeks and sd should be easier on you since you have a test base. You "may" want to do 10/20/20/20 just to feel it out though
09-04-2012, 02:32 PM
Gotcha. Thanks for the help man. I will check into aromasin. I will probably see how it goes for the first 10 weeks and if sides aren't bad I'll go furtherOriginally Posted by Mitch5
09-04-2012, 02:48 PM
Good luck! Get the aromasin saved me on my cycle, 4 weeks in and nips hurt and bloated up 25 pounds. Got on the aromasin nip pain gone and lost 10 pounds of water. Kill it dude!Originally Posted by swolegame12
09-04-2012, 02:59 PM
I would run your PCT 5-6 weeks. Everything else looks great! I am not sure what your goals are, but maybe have some aromasin on hand for the cycle in case the bloat gets bad.
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09-04-2012, 03:05 PM
Originally Posted by swolegame12
First how old are u?i have a few things on difference of opinions. First is if I had the opportunity to go back I would have run a 8-10 week cycle instead of 12 weeks on my current first run. If you decide to go 15 you should look into gains made after a 8-10 week test cycle. I dont think the gains made are worth the diminishing return by making a long run. Second why nolva? Seems everyone is all about clomid so unsure of your dosage. I think I read somewhere that 20 mg of nolva was equal to 150mg of clomid. So IMO your pct looks g2g.
09-04-2012, 03:37 PM
22 years old been lifting for 3 years. And I mean consistent, not off and on. I've gained about 50 since I started
09-04-2012, 06:28 PM
09-04-2012, 08:11 PM
I'm thinking of knockin it down to 12 weeks. However, I'd only purchase bottles that would be enough for 10 weeks @ 2 pins/week. Should I do 2 pins per week for first 8 weeks then 1 pin the next 4 weeks? Or just go with 2 per week for 10 weeks?Originally Posted by Mitch5
09-04-2012, 08:26 PM
2 per week for 10 weeks would be your best bet, as had been said after 10 weeks risk to reward is not in your favor all the time. You'll see tremendous gains by 10 weeksOriginally Posted by swolegame12
09-04-2012, 08:56 PM
Is there anything I should do after the SD is done? Or does all pct take place after the cycle is fully over?
09-04-2012, 08:58 PM
Wait until the entire cycle is done. Pct will get your endocrine system up and running again and you don't want to mess with that while the cycle is still going. Just make sure you have your supports for sd and make sure you take them religiouslyOriginally Posted by swolegame12
09-04-2012, 09:10 PM
09-04-2012, 09:15 PM
I have a few questions for you.
Why do you want to run test at 500mg?
Why are you running a 15 week cycle for your first cycle?
Why do you want to run superdrol your first cycle?
Why not a 10-12 week cycle?
Why not a more mild kickstart?
09-04-2012, 09:26 PM
Gerbil is back! Where u been man haven't seen a post from u in a long time! Good to see u back!Originally Posted by Gerbil
09-04-2012, 09:27 PM
09-04-2012, 09:32 PM
09-04-2012, 09:34 PM
10-12 weeks of test @ 500mg e/d with sd weeks 1-4 @ 20mg e/d. 10mg am, 10mg 6-8hrs later.
I would use something on cycle to keep estrogen under control. I recomend formasurge from bps as well as grab a bottle of inhibit-p from sns to run on cycle. (10 weeks, may want to grab 3)
keeping estrogen and prolactin under control on cycle will make pct a lot easier.
cycle assist for the entire cycle.
pct looks good.
09-04-2012, 09:37 PM
im no steroid pro myself but i agree with going a more conservitive rout. risk to rewards remeber that ur pretty young and u got a long time to make gains and run cycles. if this is ur first play it safe ur nuts will thank u.
09-04-2012, 09:40 PM
09-04-2012, 09:42 PM
I think it overall looks good in my opinion, sd won't be so harsh since he is on test. 500mg a week is a basic start. He will be fine as long as he has AI on hand
09-04-2012, 10:04 PM
09-04-2012, 10:06 PM
09-05-2012, 12:39 AM
09-05-2012, 12:40 AM
09-05-2012, 12:49 AM
Most people could probably get away at that dose, I guess 500 is pretty standard though.Originally Posted by Gerbil
Dbol would be easier probably but if he already has sd sides should be fairly minimal with a test base
09-05-2012, 01:57 AM
Personally I would recommend low dose SD with a test base over d Bol + test any day. Simply for the fact that most gains of a dbol kicker arent kept, and the bloat/estro sides just dont seem worth it to me. Just my opinion though. Your diet and training is going to determine your gains not how long you run your cycle man. I'm in week 10 of test e solo and still seeing plenty of gains on a calorie deficit. Whatever you decide to do be careful read up and good luck.
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10-22-2012, 02:30 PM
Strong bump lol but I am starting this cycle today. Just wanted to ask a question about preworkout etc... I was going to take my first SD pill here in about an hour and pin and then hit the gym. I will not be taking any preworkout with stimulants however can I still use hemavol or NO3 chrome while on this cycle?
Also I got test cyp instead of test e.. Both are long esters so dosage should stay the same? 500 ml per week (250 twice a week)
10-22-2012, 06:04 PM
10-22-2012, 07:17 PM
Yes same dose for test C as the Test E.Originally Posted by swolegame12
I wouldn't take the preworkout. After about 5 days the SD will kick in and a SD pump plus a PWO drink = painful pumps... even crippling
The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
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