Hormone replacement therapy help

[mcdiddy4]

I had blood work done to check my hormones and the doc found very low testosterone in my blood 75 ng/dl, luteinizing hormone 1miu and estradiol 6pg. He said I'm a good candidate for teststosterone replacement theropy. All the other 9 panel tests were in the normal range (prostate, cholesterol, c reactive protein, etc) and my physical was good. I'm healthy and in my early 30s. I took a legal ph for 6 weeks 11 months ago with pct. Wouldn't my hormone levels be higher by now?

His prescribed treatment is weekly

Testosterone Cypionate 200mg
HCG 5000 iu
Anastrozole 1.0mg

Would you agree that that this will bring me back to the normal range (ive had typical signs of low testosterone for about 3 years now)or is this a waste of time and money? I want to have normal test levels but don't think that supplements are going to help(im only interested in legal options). Also the doctor recomended this as a lifetime treatment but would like to try it out for a few months then stop. How long do you think it's ok to do this without shutting me down? I figure with the hcg I will be in a better position when I stop then I am now. advice is appreciated as I am a noob on alabolics.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

God bless your doctor, if mine prescribed me that intelligent of a protocol? a decent amount of cyp, injected, and an AI as well as HCG? and insurance covered it? that would be a dream. most of these guys are plain stupid and have no idea about ancillaries like AI's and HCG....but yeah, I think if you're gonna start? be prepared to be on it for life....you will have to adjust your dosage to get that sweet spot you are looking for of course (whatever level you find to be ideal) ....you'll have to run the test cyp at XXXmg for a month or two months and do a blood test...see where you are at, then adjust up/down...etc etc....I don't see starting and stopping as a good idea? If you're in, you're in...if you're not you're not. but at least you are being taken care of for the sides issues, estrogen and testicles

 

[mcdiddy4]

Thanks warbird! Unfortunately insurance doesn't cover it, but it's not too expensive for me. Its good to know my doc knows whats up and will be doing the labs after 2 months. Figure it'll be healthier then my stupid ass trying to play chemist not to mention its legal.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Thanks warbird! Unfortunately insurance doesn't cover it, but it's not too expensive for me. Its good to know my doc knows whats up and will be doing the labs after 2 months. Figure it'll be healthier then my stupid ass trying to play chemist not to mention its legal.

thats too bad about the insurance, I'm trying the androgel and bumping it 2.5g a month and hopefully getting blood work every few months to see where i am at. hopefully the higher dosed gel can get me up to 700-800 plus using some topical DHEA more than that....if not? i'll have to go your route and insist on seeing an endo and getting on injections of 100-200mg per month. but my insurance pays for 95% of the gel cost (which is EXORBITANT).... really wanted to avoid the injections if I could, so I'll give the gel a fair shot. but I wish to God my doc would understand I need some adex or something....I know how estrogenic I am....apparently he does not. sounds like your doc is legit, so you seem to be in good hands there. you'll find the right amount of test to get you where you want to be....just be patient with it....

 

[mcdiddy4]

I forgot to ask about the gel. I figure injections would work better?? but I'm not looking forward to heavy front squats a day after poking myself in the quad. Does 175 a month for dr visits, bloodwork, and medicines sound too much?

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

I forgot to ask about the gel. I figure injections would work better?? but I'm not looking forward to heavy front squats a day after poking myself in the quad. Does 175 a month for dr visits, bloodwork, and medicines sound too much?

I guess it is what it is you know? I am lucky with my insurance, it covers everything....labs, visits....only thing I ever end up paying is a copay for specialists at $20 a pop. and some tier two and three Rx have copays too. but damn, the 2.5g androgel (base level one pack a day) costs like $350 plus for a month....my copay was like $6 lol. not sure what the copay would be on the 5 or 7.5 or 10? but I'm sure its much more. But yeah, the gel is more for pu$syfooting around until you end up on the injections...kind of inefficient absorption with the gel, and its dosed low at 1%. but hey, I have been known for making the best of a not so optimal situation...I think i can make the gel work, we shall see with the upcoming blood work. but the injections are the actual legit way to do it, the correct way. going straight on 200mg per week is pretty aggressive though...but I guess your total test was double digits? maybe thats why, you were so low they bumped you right up to 200mg per week to start.

 

[MrMarc]

Your endo is just amazing and you got the hooks up with some good dosing, I would run some sd for a week to drop test down some more then ask him to check again so that way you can get like 350mg week test shots.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Your endo is just amazing and you got the hooks up with some good dosing, I would run some sd for a week to drop test down some more then ask him to check again so that way you can get like 350mg week test shots.

I'm gonna be on SD when i take my next blood test....you think SD messes with exogenous test? another words, will taking SD decrease the test # the gel/injections are giving you? seems like your endogenous test is tanked to zero on 100-200mg of exogenous test...so taking Sd or epi or deca ore whatever won't decrease your test reading since its exogenous test. But I wanted to be sure not to mess with my results, I want to see WTF this gel does....

 

[MrMarc]

I'm gonna be on SD when i take my next blood test....you think SD messes with exogenous test? another words, will taking SD decrease the test # the gel/injections are giving you? seems like your endogenous test is tanked to zero on 100-200mg of exogenous test...so taking Sd or epi or deca ore whatever won't decrease your test reading since its exogenous test. But I wanted to be sure not to mess with my results, I want to see WTF this gel does....

Don't mess with SD if your trying to get your boys up and running lol you know better then that. If you were to run the SD + Gel the gel would help your boys running better and for the most part take away some SD side and will also make PCT easier, but for the most part don't miss with your result.

btw if your doc ever gets you adex you better sell some to me

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Don't mess with SD if your trying to get your boys up and running lol you know better then that. If you were to run the SD + Gel the gel would help your boys running better and for the most part take away some SD side and will also make PCT easier, but for the most part don't miss with your result.

btw if your doc ever gets you adex you better sell some to me

I won't be doing PCT anymore, I'm gonna stay on the gel and see where it takes me....then maybe get on injections if need be later....but what I mean is that I want an accurate reading on what the gel is doing for me, test level wise, and I'm sure the blood test will be during the cycle of ABv3 and SD....I will not use the dermacrine though....so I just hope the SD and ABv3 don't skew the results in any way...positive or negative. I want to know if the gel is working or not....I think SD tanks endogenous test, but shouldn't effect exogenous test so far as I know....but not 100% sure....

 

[MrMarc]

I won't be doing PCT anymore, I'm gonna stay on the gel and see where it takes me....then maybe get on injections if need be later....but what I mean is that I want an accurate reading on what the gel is doing for me, test level wise, and I'm sure the blood test will be during the cycle of ABv3 and SD....I will not use the dermacrine though....so I just hope the SD and ABv3 don't skew the results in any way...positive or negative. I want to know if the gel is working or not....I think SD tanks endogenous test, but shouldn't effect exogenous test so far as I know....but not 100% sure....

Don't take anything as it will for fact mess with your result. Just do the gel solo by itself for a month or two first then get the result before you hop on your cycle so that way you know its working.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Don't take anything as it will for fact mess with your result. Just do the gel solo by itself for a month or two first then get the result before you hop on your cycle so that way you know its working.

yeah I'll try and shoehorn it in right before the cycle....should give me a good 2-3 weeks on the 5g dosage....I can always delay the cycle too. I've been messing around with where I apply it (where the thin skin/veins and arteries are ) and using DMSO with it...so hopefully that has been helping.

 

[thegodfather]

I take 4 pumps a day of Androgel and have been having some good success since recently upping the dosage. Fortunately it only costs me $30 a month for two bottles, without insurance it would be close to $700. I also take high strength fish oil to help with SHBG and 5000 iu of vitamin d3 since it was low several months ago.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

I take 4 pumps a day of Androgel and have been having some good success since recently upping the dosage. Fortunately it only costs me $30 a month for two bottles, without insurance it would be close to $700. I also take high strength fish oil to help with SHBG and 5000 iu of vitamin d3 since it was low several months ago.

I'm taking some divanil for SHBG actually....and also an AI of course (I need this)....wanna work in 1-2 AHv3 per day also year round probably for some DHT in the mix....let me ask you, how many "G's" per day is 4 pumps? is that 2.5g per pump? for 10g's? I heard that is the magical dosage

 

[thegodfather]

All i know is 4 pumps is about 81mgs of Test.

 

[rochabp]

i might hop onto hrt as well

test 121 ng/dl
LH <0.2 mIU/ml
fsh 0.4 mIU/ml

Estradiol 30.6 pg/ml

 

[rochabp]

I could never prove it but i had a suspicion of hormonal problems since i was a teen. Pubertal Gyno, no sex drive till i was 19, cried like a btch all the time, depression, and incredibly fat since i was 13

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

yeah I had pubertal gyno too....was pudgy in certain spots, meso in others, ecto in a few too...quite a mix, but always estrogenic fat problems. sex drive was great from middle school all the way through early 20's...then started fluctuating when I began using all the first PH's back in the day...go figure....

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

All i know is 4 pumps is about 81mgs of Test.

doesn't the label say what the grams are? usually its either 1% or 1.6% and measured by grams per packet or pump. I bet it is 10g, that equates to about 70-80 mgs of test per week.....at 10% absorption at least....

 

[thegodfather]

doesn't the label say what the grams are? usually its either 1% or 1.6% and measured by grams per packet or pump. I bet it is 10g, that equates to about 70-80 mgs of test per week.....at 10% absorption at least....

Im using the 1.62 version. I put it on my shoulders, flanks, and tops of my feet.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Im using the 1.62 version. I put it on my shoulders, flanks, and tops of my feet.

i've been doing forearms (bottom side of course), wrists, neck, and area between belly button and nether region...all the big arteries are in the neck and in the groin area, that is where the cardiology doctors always cath you to run their camera in there. and wrists/forearms are veiny and thin skin. I've been using DMSO and spraying it on the area before applying the gel.

 

[MrMarc]

One day when I go to the doctor am going to talk to him about getting my test lvl done and then possible getting on TRT since he personal know me since I was a kid and been my whole family doctor for years should be easy. I got to think this over first lol, don't want to be on TRT for life tho other wise I can just stockpile lol

 

[joey72712]

HrT help

Did the Dr. Give his reasoning for putting you on treatment for a few months and then wanting to stop? I could see with you being put on the HCG, maybe the DOC is hoping that will jump start your system to working like normal, while the testosterone shots will supplement.

good luck

 

[FireRescue]

5000iu of HCG is a lot in combination with test.

 

[Red Fox]

Yeah 5000 a week of HCG is restart HPTA amounts. It will desensitize you. That's insane. All that studies show is required to keep testosterone production is 250iu twice a week. Is that endo high?

I am no fan of using test as a hormone replacement therapy. Everyone needs to try clomid first, unless they are primary hypogonadism vs secondary... clomid is cheaper and far safer to your bodies harmony / fertility