What is a good unmethylated product to stack with Dymethazine?

[swirvin1]

I am running d-zine, but I am wondering what unmethylated product will work well with it and be mild with regard to sides...

Appreciate your input...thanks!

 

[SuperPro]

You could try AMS 4ad, I'm running that with SD on my next cycle. I'm running at 800 a day, which is 4 tabs.

 

[abformulations]

As superpro said. Ams 4ad, stanodrol, Androenhance all seem on top of the list.

-The only limitations one has, are the ones they place on themselves --

 

[ryansm]

I would choose AndroMass or AndroEnhance we are currently running a box less 30% off on the AndroMass

 

[mstep]

lmg is a top choice

 

[mstep]

or ment would be fun

 

[heavylifter33]

LMG is powerful and a good stacker, but is quite toxic.

Stano would be a good choice if you want to stay low on sides/toxicity, but high on potency.

 

[mstep]

LMG is powerful and a good stacker, but is quite toxic.

Stano would be a good choice if you want to stay low on sides/toxicity, but high on potency.

whats lmg toxic towards? not comin at u just curious

 

[heavylifter33]

whats lmg toxic towards? not comin at u just curious

Even though it is not methylated, mlmg has hepatotoxicity. Iirc (i'm not huge with chem), mlmg does inhibit metabolism as it has a long half life, making it liver toxic.

Maybe jbry will hop in and drop some knowledge, this is his area of expertise. I could simply be wayyyy off.

 

[mstep]

Even though it is not methylated, mlmg has hepatotoxicity. Iirc (i'm not huge with chem), mlmg does inhibit metabolism as it has a long half life, making it liver toxic.

Maybe jbry will hop in and drop some knowledge, this is his area of expertise. I could simply be wayyyy off.

in for info, never new this

 

[JoeySon]

I vote stano..running it with trenavar right now and it's out shining the tren

 

[heavyiron]

Deca-drol

 

[jbryand101b]

Even though it is not methylated, mlmg has hepatotoxicity. Iirc (i'm not huge with chem), mlmg does inhibit metabolism as it has a long half life, making it liver toxic.

Maybe jbry will hop in and drop some knowledge, this is his area of expertise. I could simply be wayyyy off.

max lmg is not alpha alkylated like with a 2a methyl, 7a methyl or more commonly, 17a methyl.

but...

it is 13b ethylated, and ethylation is another form of alkylation, not as hepatotoxic as 17a methylation, but still causes the compound to have better oral bioavailability, and as such, could be a risk factor.

another way to write max lmg is 18methyl instead of 13b ethyl.

so sadly, max lmg is methylated.

and should convert into 18-methylestr-4-en-3-one-17b-ol

or another way to write it is 13b ethyl nor testosterone.

it conversion in the stomach to 13b ethyl nor androstenedion (or 18methyl nor androstenedion) and then can be converted in the liver into 13b ethyl nor test (or as above, is also 18methyl nor testosterone.


but long story short, i've stacked dzine with lmg, and it's sweet.

 

[heavylifter33]

max lmg is not alpha alkylated like with a 2a methyl, 7a methyl or more commonly, 17a methyl.

but...

it is 13b ethylated, and ethylation is another form of alkylation, not as hepatotoxic as 17a methylation, but still causes the compound to have better oral bioavailability, and as such, could be a risk factor.

another way to write max lmg is 18methyl instead of 13b ethyl.

so sadly, max lmg is methylated.

and should convert into 18-methylestr-4-en-3-one-17b-ol

or another way to write it is 13b ethyl nor testosterone.

it conversion in the stomach to 13b ethyl nor androstenedion (or 18methyl nor androstenedion) and then can be converted in the liver into 13b ethyl nor test (or as above, is also 18methyl nor testosterone.


but long story short, i've stacked dzine with lmg, and it's sweet.

This is pretty recent (last few years) information on the compound right? I thought that a lot of it's properties were not too clear when it originated. Regardless, that really clears things up, did not know about it being 18 methyl.

 

[jbryand101b]

it's been known by those with chemistry knowledge like patrick arnold, seth roberts, william llewellyn, henry v, etc.

more people would find it if they spent quality time researching about compounds, but just a quick google search is going to give a lot of mis info about the compound.

like it being a progestin.

 

[demondrol]

i dont mean to hi-jack swirvs' thread but would dzine+maxlmg+trenavar/zone+stano be alright to stack at sensible dosages? i might run this kind of stack in the future but the progestin sides from the lmg and tren is what bothers me. good thing theres caber and prami if none of the otc progestin inhibitor supps dont work.

 

[DonnyG]

Run the Stanodrol with it. I've run SD (never dymethazine, but I guess you would call those two compounds similar) along Max-LMG and Stano on different cycles, and I liked the Stano far more. Great aggression, great hardness, and great longevity in the gym. I swear my workouts could have been 3 hours and I could have kept going. Miss that stuff.

 

[AaronJP1]

max lmg is not alpha alkylated like with a 2a methyl, 7a methyl or more commonly, 17a methyl.

but...

it is 13b ethylated, and ethylation is another form of alkylation, not as hepatotoxic as 17a methylation, but still causes the compound to have better oral bioavailability, and as such, could be a risk factor.

another way to write max lmg is 18methyl instead of 13b ethyl.

so sadly, max lmg is methylated.

and should convert into 18-methylestr-4-en-3-one-17b-ol

or another way to write it is 13b ethyl nor testosterone.

it conversion in the stomach to 13b ethyl nor androstenedion (or 18methyl nor androstenedion) and then can be converted in the liver into 13b ethyl nor test (or as above, is also 18methyl nor testosterone.

but long story short, i've stacked dzine with lmg, and it's sweet.

This is interesting to me. I'm on Deca-Drol Max (LMG) now and I have ceased support sups, due to Organ Shield type products giving me head aches. I think I may have to hop on TUDCA then cause I'm going 100mg for the last 4 weeks of a 6 week cycle.

 

[SuperPro]

Thanks for dropping that info in here jbryan, I wish I could rep you more but already did recently. The really good thing about Max LMG is it won't be part of that new bill if it passes since progestins won't be banned

 

[DonnyG]

it's been known by those with chemistry knowledge like patrick arnold, seth roberts, william llewellyn, henry v, etc.

more people would find it if they spent quality time researching about compounds, but just a quick google search is going to give a lot of mis info about the compound.

like it being a progestin.

Thanks for dropping that info in here jbryan, I wish I could rep you more but already did recently. The really good thing about Max LMG is it won't be part of that new bill if it passes since progestins won't be banned

Not quite sure of that

 

[heavylifter33]

Thanks for dropping that info in here jbryan, I wish I could rep you more but already did recently. The really good thing about Max LMG is it won't be part of that new bill if it passes since progestins won't be banned

It will be. The language is pretty good about blanketing products that manipulate hormones.

 

[jbryand101b]

This is interesting to me. I'm on Deca-Drol Max (LMG) now and I have ceased support sups, due to Organ Shield type products giving me head aches. I think I may have to hop on TUDCA then cause I'm going 100mg for the last 4 weeks of a 6 week cycle.

Na, you're fine

 

[jbryand101b]

Thanks for dropping that info in here jbryan, I wish I could rep you more but already did recently. The really good thing about Max LMG is it won't be part of that new bill if it passes since progestins won't be banned

Max lmg isn't a progestin, is an androgen.

 

[SuperPro]

Max lmg isn't a progestin, is an androgen.

Ah, I thought it was a progestin because on prohormone db:

http://prohormonedb.com/view-ingredients.asp?n=13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)diene-17-one+(Max+LMG)&i=15

Also there's an article on this site that says the bill changes the way unlisted steroidal supplements are dealt with "other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone", article is here:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/content/new-steroid-legislation-1813/

 

[jbryand101b]

dht:

progesterone

what differentiate the two, is which receptor it has a higher binding affinity for.

both androgens and progestins are so similar in structure, either one could bind with/interact with the others receptor.

but, the make up/ structures of the compounds will deterimine how strongly it binds with, and how it interacts with the receptor

if it binds more so with the androgen receptor, as well as interaction with it it's an androgen.

if it binds more so with the progestin receptor, as well as interaction with it, it's a progestin.


if you were to inject methoxygonadiene, it might have more pr interaction, maybe.

but it's converted into nor androstenedione very rapidly via the stomach acids.


and nor andro's are not prostestins. hence the "andro" in their names

 

[jbryand101b]

Ah, I thought it was a progestin because on prohormone db:

http://prohormonedb.com/view-ingredients.asp?n=13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5%2810%29diene-17-one+%28Max+LMG%29&i=15

Also there's an article on this site that says the bill changes the way unlisted steroidal supplements are dealt with "other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone", article is here:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/content/new-steroid-legislation-1813/

"It is legal because it is a progestin, like trenbolone, nandrolone, methyltrienolone and Methyl-Dien."

as soon as anyone reads this, a light should come on saying, these guys are idiots.

okay, go give your girlfriend some or either methyl trenbolone trenbolone, nor testosterone, or methyl dienolone instead of her usual birth control, let us know how it's going after 3-4 weeks.

pro hormone db, what a joke.

 

[SuperPro]

Makes a lot more sense now, thanks for clearing that up. I thought it might just be that that site isn't always reliable, as I've always had that suspicion.