planning my first cycle

[Madhops]

I'm finally making the jump to the darkside, and starting to plan my first cycle that I would like to run early in next year. I am looking for a good mass cycle, as I would like to get up to 200-210. I am currently at 186. My tenative plan at this point was

wk 1-5 D-bol @ 30mg a day
wk 1-12 EQ @300mg per week
wk 13-17 PCT with nolva and HCG

I've used Ph/ps before, but am new to the real stuff. Any comments or suggestions?

[Beelzebub]

yeah, replace the eq with test enan or test cyp at 500mg per week. HCG shouldn't be used during PCT as it is still suppressive. do a little more research and you'll figure it out.

[wojo]

go to bb.com read cats articles on steroids its in the roid section ..sticky..good place to start

[Madhops]

go to bb.com read cats articles on steroids its in the roid section ..sticky..good place to start

I've already read that article, along with most of the other stuff on bb.com. As far as using EQ instead of test, it is mearly an availbilty issue for me. Maybe I am way off base here, but shouldn't EQ provide me with an increased appetite, which would make sense in a bulking cycle.

[wojo]

a lot of guys n here strictly believe in havign test in all there cycles..i have never used aas but from taling to a few abut my first cycle its almost dogmatic...but understand this theres a lot to be said for experience..if it is a bulker u should use test with what u have..d-bol will also increase ur apetite

[Neuromancer]

Personally I think EQ is just fine to start with. Its fairly mild so don't expect any huge mass gains. I agree you ought to try to get test, but if eq is all you can get then go for it.

[goldylight]

if you do go with it - especially on its own, 300 is too low.

[Wolfe008]

you use HCG during the whole cycle, or the beginning or end of the cycle?

[Matthew D]

Middle of the cycle if it is a long one.. and I would still find the test..

[Madhops]

after doing some more research and looking around, I was able to find some test.

my new cycle plan is looking something like this.

wk 1-12 Test Ethanate @ 500mg per week
wk 1-4 EQ @ 800mg per week
wk 5-12 EQ @400mg per week
wk 8-9 HCG @ 500iu per week
PCT Nolva @ 40mg per day for 4 wk and clomid at 150mg per day for 4 weeks.

Does that seem like a more solid plan?

[tattoopierced1]

why not just do test enan and EQ...

[Beelzebub]

after doing some more research and looking around, I was able to find some test.

my new cycle plan is looking something like this.

wk 1-12 Test Ethanate @ 500mg per week
wk 1-4 EQ @ 800mg per week
wk 5-12 EQ @400mg per week
wk 8-9 HCG @ 500iu per week
PCT Nolva @ 40mg per day for 4 wk and clomid at 150mg per day for 4 weeks.

Does that seem like a more solid plan?

you should probably taper down the clomid ending with about 50mg ed. nolva is sometimes tapered as well, usually 60/40/20/10 or something similar.

[Madhops]

why not just do test enan and EQ...

that is what I am doing

[Madhops]

you should probably taper down the clomid ending with about 50mg ed. nolva is sometimes tapered as well, usually 60/40/20/10 or something similar.

point taken about the tapering. thanks for the help

[glenihan]

i would run the HCG longer than just weeks 8 and 9
why use it to fix a problem when you can use it to prevent a problem from ever happening
given your cycle i'd run it weeks 3-12 at 250iu 2x a week

[pumpinfina]

after doing some more research and looking around, I was able to find some test.

my new cycle plan is looking something like this.

wk 1-12 Test Ethanate @ 500mg per week
wk 1-4 EQ @ 800mg per week
wk 5-12 EQ @400mg per week
wk 8-9 HCG @ 500iu per week
PCT Nolva @ 40mg per day for 4 wk and clomid at 150mg per day for 4 weeks.

Does that seem like a more solid plan?

no, it doesn't. You have never even used real gear before. I think thats way to much gear for your first cycle. It isn't a must to use test every cycle. some EQ converts to test, so if you don't want to look like a puffy fat ass don't use test. EQ produces very solid keepable muscle gains. If you do use this as your first cycle, imagine how much juice youll need for your second one.

[pumpinfina]

i would run the HCG longer than just weeks 8 and 9
why use it to fix a problem when you can use it to prevent a problem from ever happening
given your cycle i'd run it weeks 3-12 at 250iu 2x a week

HCG is completely useless, it only shut you down even harder. I find that when i use 500iu's in between cycles it drops my testes for a few hours, then they atrophy even more than before. A sign that this **** is suppressive. better to just use clomid, plus it's more price effective to do so.

[pumpinfina]

I'm finally making the jump to the darkside, and starting to plan my first cycle that I would like to run early in next year. I am looking for a good mass cycle, as I would like to get up to 200-210. I am currently at 186. My tenative plan at this point was

wk 1-5 D-bol @ 30mg a day
wk 1-12 EQ @300mg per week
wk 13-17 PCT with nolva and HCG

I've used Ph/ps before, but am new to the real stuff. Any comments or suggestions?

i personally have made progress using EQ@200 mg per week with 300 mg primo per week.

[hardlyworkin]

Here is a good first cycle....put the EQ in storage for a bit and try this for a bulker..


Week 1-12 500mg/week of Test E split for 2 injections per week
Week 1-4 30mg/day of dbol

Keep it simple for your first bulker.... if you are looking for a cutter pumpinfina looks to have some suggestions above. Never heard of someone saying HCG being useless???

[Beelzebub]

yeah, that's the first i've heard of HCG being useless as well. taken during cycle, it has been proven to be quite effective at keeping your nuts swinging.