Please critique 1st timer plan

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    Please critique 1st timer plan


    CONTEXT:
    -First timer, bloodwork says low end of normal testosterone (35 years old); tired of slow gains and want to give this a try.
    -Training for many years - training intelligently and eating properly about three years.
    -Training, nutrition, drugs, and lifestyle all locked down already.

    -First trial will be two week duration. I will reassess at two week mark.

    ### ON PROGRAM

    DRUGS:
    -S1+ 6 squirts each @630am & @630pm

    TRAINING:
    -Mon/Wed/Fri - Lower Body: 3-4 sets of 6-10 reps per bodypart
    -Tue/Thu/Sat - Upper Body: 3-4 sets of 6-10 reps per bodypart

    -Base Tempo will be 3/0/2. Alternate supersets with 1 min rest.
    -No sets taken to failure (try for one rep less than failure)
    -Start with ~12RM and add 2% - 5% to the bar each session (HST principles)
    -Almost all exercises will be uni-lateral or dumbbells

    NUTRITION:
    -Start at 22Kcal/lb & assess from there:
    -2g/lb Protein (8Kcal)
    -27% Fats (equally split among sat, mono, poly) (6Kcal)
    -2g/lb Carbs (8kcal)
    -Mostly whole foods; shakes right before bed and after workouts

    SUPPLEMENTS:
    -6g - 9g fish oil
    -Flax, hemp, olive oil to fill out fat needs
    -Workout drinks with dextrose, hydrolyzed whey
    -Saw Palmetto 3x daily to keep old man `tate from getting too beefy
    -Xandrox 5%
    -Spironolactone 5%


    ### OFF PROGRAM
    DRUGS:
    -Week 1: Cytotam Tamoxifen Citrate 60mg daily
    -Week 2: Cytotam Tamoxifen Citrate 30mg daily
    -Week 3-4: continue 30mg daily (hopefully I can recover in two weeks)

    TRAINING:
    -Mon/Thu - Lower Body: 3-5 sets of 3-6 reps per bodypart
    -Tue/Fri - Upper Body: 3-5 sets of 3-6 reps per bodypart

    -Base Tempo will be 3/1/x. Alternate supersets with 2 min rest.
    -No sets taken to failure (try for one rep less than failure)
    -Start with new estimated 7RM and add 2% to bar per session
    -Probably alternate heavy/light; e.g: Mon 5x3 / Thu 3x6

    NUTRITION:
    -Start at 18Kcal/lb (should be about maintenance x 1.2)
    -1.25g/lb Protein (5Kcal)
    -30% Fats (equally split mono, poly; sat at 10%) (6Kcal)
    -1.75g/lb Carbs (7kcal)
    -Mostly whole foods; shakes right before bed and after workouts

    SUPPLEMENTS:
    -7-oxo (If I can find it)
    -HMB 1g every 3 hours
    -Creatine
    -6g-9g fish oil
    -EC possibly if I am dragging
    -Flax, hemp, olive oil to fill out fat needs
    -Workout drinks with dextrose, hydolyzed whey, creatine & taurine


    ### PLANNED MESO/META CYCLES:
    -2on/2(or 4)off and if it works out okay, then..
    -2on/2(or 4)off
    -2on/2(or 4)off
    -4-6 week conjugate training scheme; overall focus on maximal strength
    -1-2 week rest with minimum effective maintenance training load
    -CKD to lean back down to 10% bodyfat


    ### QUESTIONS:
    The "bros" tell me nothing will happen in two weeks, but according to the manufacturer, S1+ should result in increased serum levels within 24 hours. I think I will have an easier time retaining any gains if I do not extend the ON period and end up shutdown. Does this make sense?

    Does my meta cycle plan for the next few months seem like a reasonable approach to keep gains?

    Is depression exacerbated when coming off these compounds?

    Thanks in advance!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oatmeal_King
    The "bros" tell me nothing will happen in two weeks, but according to the manufacturer, S1+ should result in increased serum levels within 24 hours. I think I will have an easier time retaining any gains if I do not extend the ON period and end up shutdown. Does this make sense?
    You will get shut down. Its unavoidable. Having a two week cycle will not prevent this. You should run a six week cycle. That should maximize your gains. Even a four week cycle would be better then a two week cycle. M1T is the only compound I know of that you could reasonably expect any kind of results from a two week cycle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oatmeal_King
    Does my meta cycle plan for the next few months seem like a reasonable approach to keep gains?
    Again, the 2 on 2 off scheme was designed for M1T not S1+. 6 weeks would have a better effect.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oatmeal_King
    Is depression exacerbated when coming off these compounds?
    Yes. You will have low test and that can cause depression. The better your PCT the quicker it will end.
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    My personal opinion is that two weeks of s1+ won't do much for you. Listen to the bros who have used it, not the manufacturer. I think at 2 weeks you'll just be beginning to feel this stuff kicking in. I think you would want to run an absolute minimum of 4 weeks, but 6 weeks would be preferable and most effective. I think the dose sounds OK, just plan for a longer cycle. I don't have any thoughts on your routine. Hopefully, you have developed this from your lifting experience and feel that your body responds to this type of training. If that's the case, I think your fine in that department.


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    I just finished an S1+ cycle (my first as well). 6 sprays am & pm for a total of 12 a day. during the second week I felt a little different and by the3rd and 4th is when all the weights started to move up, consistantly. I stayed on for a total of 5 weeks and will probably do 6 next time. Nolva pct is working like a charm. Also taking Tribosten, just for grins. Got a good solid breakout on upper arms and shoulders a few days into pct because of the hormonal disarray, but 3 days later and almost all breakout signs are gone.

    So, definately do 5-6 weeks.
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    I fully agree with making it a 6 week cycle. The "bros" are correct, 2 weeks would be foolish. You will still shut down your HPTA & experience the other sides, but you will not get any of the benefits.
    Yes, your serum test levels will rise in 1-2 days on 1-test/4ad, you are taking exogenous hormones. You will not see any gains that fast, and your test levels willl drop tremendously when you stop.
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    they are right if you still have doubts re evaluate after 2 wks. you wont notice much the first week. the second week you should notice it. only 1 week of gains is not very much.
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    Thank you for the feedback.

    I am running into a domestic issue - basically my wife is concerned about coming into contact with any traces of S1+ laying around. In short, after a hell of a lot of planning, it looks like I may have to scrap this. Sucks.

    For orals, it looks like M1T might be the best bet. Gonna have to start from scratch and do more research.

    Thanks again!
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    If pinning is an option, look into 4ad and 1-test cyp. I am 35 also. my natty test level is around 400ng/dl. 8 weeks into 1test cyp and 4ad cyp it is at 1556.
    good luck bro,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oatmeal_King
    Thank you for the feedback.

    I am running into a domestic issue - basically my wife is concerned about coming into contact with any traces of S1+ laying around. In short, after a hell of a lot of planning, it looks like I may have to scrap this. Sucks.

    For orals, it looks like M1T might be the best bet. Gonna have to start from scratch and do more research.

    Thanks again!
  

  
 

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