Why do people bash "oral only" cycles so much?

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  1. Why do people bash "oral only" cycles so much?


    imo:

    Retention of gains has nothing to do with the cycle being oral or injectable; it's just that injectable cycles are normally run longer so there's a better chances of retaining gains that have been made more gradually over time.

    Also, isn't it plausible someone might want to do a short 6 week oral cycle to gain experience prior to moving onto needles?

    I don't doubt test is king; I'm just tired of people constantly waving their finger any time someone mentions an oral cycle.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    imo:

    Retention of gains has nothing to do with the cycle being oral or injectable; it's just that injectable cycles are normally run longer so there's a better chances of retaining gains that have been made more gradually over time.

    Also, isn't it plausible someone might want to do a short 6 week oral cycle to gain experience prior to moving onto needles?

    I don't doubt test is king; I'm just tired of people constantly waving their finger any time someone mentions an oral cycle.
    I don't agree test is king by any means, but overall oral cycles are WORSE for you than alot of AAS (not all) the liver toxicity is a big problem and the gains are rarely maintainable when you look at all the negatives really is 4 weeks of size gain worth it? (knowing you wont keep most of the gains) you can use it as a precursor to actual AAS but I dont see a point, I would like to point out again TEST IS NOT KING
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  3. What is king?
    “Obsessed is a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.” -R.I.P Zyzz-

  4. Quote Originally Posted by masonmarin18 View Post
    What is king?
    tren... you dont move on to king without going through test first... its more of a secretary or bodyguard... tren is a dangerous compound but EVERYTHING shows tren is better... so you shouldn't trifle with tren unless you are experienced but in my mind tren is very clearly king

  5. dbol is king, ask arnold. its the breakfast of champions
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by TomGreen View Post
    dbol is king, ask arnold. its the breakfast of champions
    if it wasnt for liver toxicity i would run that stuff indefinitely but sadly I can only run it for 4-6 weeks :/ still say tren though

  7. Quote Originally Posted by TFlifting View Post
    I don't agree test is king by any means, but overall oral cycles are WORSE for you than alot of AAS (not all) the liver toxicity is a big problem and the gains are rarely maintainable when you look at all the negatives really is 4 weeks of size gain worth it? (knowing you wont keep most of the gains) you can use it as a precursor to actual AAS but I dont see a point, I would like to point out again TEST IS NOT KING
    Several points:

    Liver toxicity can be an issue, but my honest unscientific opinion is that it's exaggerated, unless you're doing 16 week oral cycles. I know people who drink every single night, and not just one beer. I can't help but wonder who does more damage. Those guys, or the guy running orals for 4 to 6 weeks?

    As far as gains, there's more than a few reports of people keeping some portion of the gains they made on an oral cycle. Oral cycles are also shorter and allow a person to get back on a cycle sooner anyway.

    And I say test is king not because it's the most potent steroid, but because it's already in your body and is highly effective.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by masonmarin18 View Post
    What is king?
    deca

  9. I think people bash oral only cycles because they are insecure, or don't know how to put together a successful oral only cycle, or want to bully people who would rather do oral only as opposed to injectable and tease them about needles. they may have small penises as well? not sure...

  10. Quote Originally Posted by R1187

    Several points:

    Liver toxicity can be an issue, but my honest unscientific opinion is that it's exaggerated, unless you're doing 16 week oral cycles. I know people who drink every single night, and not just one beer. I can't help but wonder who does more damage. Those guys, or the guy running orals for 4 to 6 weeks?

    As far as gains, there's more than a few reports of people keeping some portion of the gains they made on an oral cycle. Oral cycles are also shorter and allow a person to get back on a cycle sooner anyway.

    And I say test is king not because it's the most potent steroid, but because it's already in your body and is highly effective.
    So what qualifies a product as being king is its already in your body? Brb water is king... And wow you keep a portion of your gains? Here how about you run oral cycles while I run an AAS cycle and see who keeps more gains after oh right your two oral cycles in the same time wouldn't even compare and whatever yes at 4-6 weeks you shouldn't notice liver toxicity to an extreme extent but if I'm risking my health I'm getting the most out of it I can

  11. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    I think people bash oral only cycles because they are insecure, or don't know how to put together a successful oral only cycle, or want to bully people who would rather do oral only as opposed to injectable and tease them about needles. they may have small penises as well? not sure...
    Hahah come on even you have to admit, comparatively orals to injectables aren't even on the same scale, while orals can supplement a cycle for sure and have many great effects they are just not on the same level, I'll take an injectable cycle over oral any day of the week... Except maybe short ester.. Then I would rather oral simply cause pinning ED or EOD gets annoying

  12. knowledge is king, and you can always use that to create an effective cycle using your brain even if its "oral only", whether PH/DS/AAS/natty or a combination of any of the above. Its always good to mix and match all of the above, and part of AAS is injectables....but its not necessary to incorporate them into every cycle. good nutrition, proper training and lifestyle, and solid supplement/cycle choices are the important parts....not necessarily a mandatory injectable steroid.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    knowledge is king, and you can always use that to create an effective cycle using your brain even if its "oral only", whether PH/DS/AAS/natty or a combination of any of the above. Its always good to mix and match all of the above, and part of AAS is injectables....but its not necessary to incorporate them into every cycle. good nutrition, proper training and lifestyle, and solid supplement/cycle choices are the important parts....not necessarily a mandatory injectable steroid.
    ^quote of the year

  14. Quote Originally Posted by TFlifting View Post
    So what qualifies a product as being king is its already in your body? Brb water is king... And wow you keep a portion of your gains? Here how about you run oral cycles while I run an AAS cycle and see who keeps more gains after oh right your two oral cycles in the same time wouldn't even compare and whatever yes at 4-6 weeks you shouldn't notice liver toxicity to an extreme extent but if I'm risking my health I'm getting the most out of it I can
    No offense sir, but you seem very ignorant.

    Oral steroids = AAS

    And I don't ever recall making the claim that orals are equally effective as injecting.

  15. I want to change my vote to "I'm the king"....can I do that? or is it too late since I already cast my vote for deca?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by R1187
    imo:

    Retention of gains has nothing to do with the cycle being oral or injectable; it's just that injectable cycles are normally run longer so there's a better chances of retaining gains that have been made more gradually over time.

    Also, isn't it plausible someone might want to do a short 6 week oral cycle to gain experience prior to moving onto needles?

    I don't doubt test is king; I'm just tired of people constantly waving their finger any time someone mentions an oral cycle.
    You sort of double talked in your opening. You said that retaining gains has nothing to do with oral or injections then continued to say the reason why injection cycles are better is because the gains come more gradual and are easier to retain over time. That is actually the whole premises being that they are longer, more gradual and therefore easier to retain. A 4 week cycle of superdrol is going to do nothing for you 8 weeks out. This, unless someone is just using it as a 3 week kicker. Once someone gets their feet wet with oral cycles, research intensely and efficiently and move on to injections...all of it is about to be illegal by the spring anyway and if you learn what you are doing, injections are the way to go by far.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by R1187

    No offense sir, but you seem very ignorant.

    Oral steroids = AAS

    And I don't ever recall making the claim that orals are equally effective as injecting.
    I know they are AAS but don't try to turn this in your favor by a technicality... AAS when GENERALLY spoken about is referred to injectables I.e. tren, deca, test, eq, etc.

    And you were ranting about how shorter cycles means less time off... Why would I spend more time on to achieve less of anything? Seems ridiculous to me

  18. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    I want to change my vote to "I'm the king"....can I do that? or is it too late since I already cast my vote for deca?
    Bow down to the king? I cast vote number 2

  19. Quote Originally Posted by TFlifting

    tren... you dont move on to king without going through test first... its more of a secretary or bodyguard... tren is a dangerous compound but EVERYTHING shows tren is better... so you shouldn't trifle with tren unless you are experienced but in my mind tren is very clearly king
    Only if that is your thing. Tren, maybe king for some but perhaps not others...it is all somewhat subjective.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock

    Only if that is your thing. Tren, maybe king for some but perhaps not others...it is all somewhat subjective.
    I can agree with this rationale, if someone reacts poorly with tren they might favor masteron or winny, I personally say tren is king however

  21. Quote Originally Posted by R1187

    Several points:

    Liver toxicity can be an issue, but my honest unscientific opinion is that it's exaggerated, unless you're doing 16 week oral cycles. I know people who drink every single night, and not just one beer. I can't help but wonder who does more damage. Those guys, or the guy running orals for 4 to 6 weeks?

    As far as gains, there's more than a few reports of people keeping some portion of the gains they made on an oral cycle. Oral cycles are also shorter and allow a person to get back on a cycle sooner anyway.

    And I say test is king not because it's the most potent steroid, but because it's already in your body and is highly effective.
    Not sure how the next to last paragraph in accurate? Orals allow you to get back on sooner? But if you are running a 16 week cycle, you can get back on relatively in the same amount of time as an oral. I cant see the reasoning for a person to run an oral for 4 weeks and then hop back on it 4 weeks later.
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  22. High dose Test is king. I have run almost everything in the last 25 years and NOTHING compares to 1,200-1,500mg of Test weekly. You feel great, have tons of horsepower in the gym and can lay pipe all night long.

    Tren is a great recomping drug but the sides suck donkey [email protected]
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  23. yeah I hate tren.....tried it every which way, injectable couple of times...moderate and high dose, ate the pellets way back when, trenazone, you name it. Gives me nothing but sides and no great muscle gain. But I love winny and deca, so Its pretty random as to what works for any particular individual....

  24. Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron
    High dose Test is king. I have run almost everything in the last 25 years and NOTHING compares to 1,200-1,500mg of Test weekly. You feel great, have tons of horsepower in the gym and can lay pipe all night long.

    Tren is a great recomping drug but the sides suck donkey [email protected]
    But as for overall sides you need control that estrogen on high dose test, high estrogen has numerous side effects that are much worse than night sweats and some ballin dreams you get from tren

  25. Quote Originally Posted by heavyiron
    High dose Test is king. I have run almost everything in the last 25 years and NOTHING compares to 1,200-1,500mg of Test weekly. You feel great, have tons of horsepower in the gym and can lay pipe all night long.

    Tren is a great recomping drug but the sides suck donkey [email protected]
    Granted I suppose I have never ran over 600mg/week test, so I can't compare with your results
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