- 08-19-2012, 08:43 PM
i am here as you lot seem to know what your talking about, i have decided to do my first course and as we speak my buddy who is a pro hit me with my first shot, but he is so chilled about it i have come on here to get more info
firstly i trained for many a year naturally and gain really well out of it but due to being a fighter and irish (we love to fight) and messed up 2 discs in my lumbar and had adr surgery in germany and got two bad ass mech disc with no issues, i am taking them as i feel i lost out due to my back injury and shoulder op but feeling good now but want deca for the lubing of the joints
so here it is the course see what u guys think and as my buddy is like just take it youll be grand etc etc but i want to know whats what
deca 300/1m once a week
testo cyp 250 once a week
and he has me taking anavar 10mg x 2 daily
over a 10 week period
is this right and said nothing more until he sees how it goes and clomid for the end or do i need to be taken that through it,
any input u guys have would be a great help
and did out diet and gave me **** load of supplements for free
ps: ill stick up a starting pic and throughout etc
- 08-19-2012, 08:58 PM
Do your research BEFORE you start man. Gear is nothing to take lightly and the general rule of thumb is to have everything planned and on hand before you start your cycle.
most recommend test only for a first cycle and you'll wanna do more than 250 mg a week, most do 500-600 a week. if you're using 250 then 2 shots @250 a week =500 and youre good. run for 10-12 weeks.
youre going to want ancillaries as well being your first cycle you don't know wether or not you're prone to GYNO or water retention. If you get midway through cycle and start developing tits and dont have anything on hand and then it takes you another week or two to go order up some **** you might be too late.
I searched for months before ever jumping in, even then I'm still always searching trying to learn more(there is A LOT out there). AAS is a big ocean and you want to make sure you're ready for that swim before you jump in.
08-19-2012, 09:03 PM
so mixing the deca and test is not a good idea then ? and what do u recommend as ancillaries and my buddy is just up the road and i can get whatever off him to be honest, the reason i wanted deca was due to shoulder issues in the past and even the surgeon said it would of stop the injuries
so i took my first shot an hour ago and wont take another till next week, or u saying drop the deca ?
and gyno i dont know as this is my first ever course my friend
thanks for your input
08-19-2012, 09:11 PM
if your already taking it then whats done is done, your going to want arimidex dosing at 0.5mg EOD, nolva on hand, clomid for PCT 100/50/50/25 dosing for that, keep test low in my opinion, you can raise your AAS dosing though... 250 mg and 300mg test and deca a week is a VERY low dose, most people double that amount, personally I would shoot 2 ml of deca a week and only 1 ml of test a week, as for your friend.. he is an idiot if he didnt run through with you proper pct procedures, AI's, or overall doses for AAS, do alot of research quick since you already started... hopefully this goes okay for you
08-19-2012, 09:14 PM
08-19-2012, 09:21 PM
but do u think anavar is ok to throw in the mix there 10mg x 2 times daily
and can i ask a silly question here arimidex dosing at 0.5mg EOD what is that for i ant heard of that here i have the nolva and clomid ready
08-19-2012, 09:41 PM
08-19-2012, 09:43 PM
08-19-2012, 09:59 PM
08-19-2012, 10:03 PM
08-19-2012, 10:13 PM
would maybe upping the testo be a better one as my mates said i would get deca dick ?
and with the arimidex dosing at 0.5mg EOD is that every day its taken ? or does EOD mean every other day ? and how soon do i need to start taking it ?
and i really apprecited the insight
08-19-2012, 10:29 PM
08-19-2012, 10:35 PM
again thanks for your help i feel kinda silly but he said he knew what to do
08-19-2012, 10:37 PM
08-20-2012, 06:25 AM
Ideally first cycle is test only but if you want to go ahead with deca and test you will get some great gains if your diet and training are on par.
Both your doses seem weak. You know it's first cycle and you don't want to over do it and stuff but there is no point in doing it at all if you aren't going to do it right.
Double your weekly dose of both. Get an AI, get your pct too and get some HCG if you can.
08-20-2012, 09:10 AM
oh yeah completely forgot to mention hcg! thanks chestbrother. mjolnir, hcg is key in keeping gains you should run it throughout your cycle at 250iu twice a week since youve already started id say get some and start asap. hcg will keep your boys from atrophying and keep them perky by simulating lh which in turn will make your PCT a heck of a lot easier. dont forget to buy some bacteriostatic water, and some insulin pins too. just youtube how to mix hcg and youll find plenty of vids on how to mix the stuff.
2-12 HCG 250iu x2 and stop a week to 4 days before your pct to allow your natural lh levels to kick in.
08-20-2012, 05:07 PM
disaster of a day guys i cant get the arimidex, but have the nolva in 5 days, and clomid i need to ask is clomid hcg ? and what would happen now if i stopped after starting ? would that one shot cause major **** ?
just my buddy and other guys are saying i am over reacting on this and should chill that its not enough to warrant arimidex that its what the pros need that nolva is enough or is 4 to 5 days to long of a wait i ant started the anavar yet cause a little concerned
any input guys would be great and thanks for taking the time with a noob on this issue
08-20-2012, 05:28 PM
If you wanna stop then I'd recommend it. Always have research done beforehand and no clomid is NOT hcg. Completly different. And the reason you want Nola or clomid for pct is so you an get your natural test levels to normal and keep gains I guarantee if you dont have a proper pct you'll lose all your gains from the cycle and maybe even more prior muscle lost as it'll take even longer for your 'boys' to come back online naturally.
If you wanna continue do some research FAST and put together a solid pct, learn about sides of AAS, dosing, timing, plus I'm afraid to ask but are you being safe with your shots? Do you have sterile needles, alcohol swabs? Cause getting an infection is some scary **** I've seen some horror stories out there dude.
Your friends might think its overreacting but the point of AM is to learn and grow not only physically but mentally as well. We aren't just your average gym rats. So don't just worry about flexing your muscles but your mind as well. Go search search and search some more!
I wish ya good luck and ultimately hope you can figure out a way to run AAS smart and safe.
08-20-2012, 05:34 PM
08-20-2012, 05:41 PM
You'll be fine one/2 shots won't do much. Just quit now and maybe you can take some natty test boosters of you're really worried about it. Never seen anyone get estro sides from one shot!
I think you're a smart guy stopping now And you're obviously willing to listen and learn. If you're dead set on gear take time and research and then. One back when you know the everything there is to know about running a sound cycle. Good luck bro!
08-20-2012, 05:46 PM
Get the arimedex and use only if u get estrogen sides. For a first cycle 500mg a wk and 300mg of deca a wk is fine.
08-20-2012, 05:53 PM
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