Good Liver Friendly Phs ?

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  1. Good Liver Friendly Phs ?


    Any good liver friendly phs out there ?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Stroke UR Ego
    Any good liver friendly phs out there ?
    Bump interested to know this

  3. Not that I am aware of, it just differs on the toxicity, every PH will effect your liver negatively in some way just some are slightly more gentle. There is no PH I have ever heard of the was 100% liver safe
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by TFlifting
    Not that I am aware of, it just differs on the toxicity, every PH will effect your liver negatively in some way just some are slightly more gentle. There is no PH I have ever heard of the was 100% liver safe
    What would the most gentle be? HD

  5. Quote Originally Posted by uvawahoowa

    What would the most gentle be? HD
    HD is methylated so no.
    The easiest on your liver would be a non methyl. However, non methyl still will indirectly put strain on your liver.
    11 OXO is about as safe as it gets.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by TFlifting View Post
    Not that I am aware of, it just differs on the toxicity, every PH will effect your liver negatively in some way just some are slightly more gentle. There is no PH I have ever heard of the was 100% liver safe
    I know, but I want to know the most worthwhile (reasonable gains for a mild ph) with low toxicity

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Stroke UR Ego View Post
    I know, but I want to know the most worthwhile (reasonable gains for a mild ph) with low toxicity
    Everybody wants this, truth is the most "mild" ph's are the non-methylated. Typically mild on liver=mild gains so you'll be hard pressed to find a non methylated PH that will put good size on you. Try m-lgm, trenazone, or trenavar

  8. I can't recommend diffent PH's as I just use AAS, less liver toxicity and more gains... Win win

  9. with proper supports and pct regime you should be fine on something like hdrol, pmag, halo, etc.....

  10. probably any of the androseries (DHEA based) and 7/11 keto/oxo....been on both and bloodwork said liver was perfectly normal in the 7th week of 8 week cycles. I believe Pstanz/win-50 is pretty friendly....these off the top of my head....

  11. too bad pstanz wont be around much longer, lg sciences ph's are safe and mild...


    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/l...-capsules.html

  12. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech
    too bad pstanz wont be around much longer, lg sciences ph's are safe and mild...

    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/l...-capsules.html
    Have you ever used any of them? They are basically just DHEA. For the price of one bottle of that I can get AAS. I wouldn't waste my money.

  13. Oh, and to the OP. Liver friendly PHs is like Family friendly porn.... It doesn't exist for a reason.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Bruiser76 View Post
    Have you ever used any of them? They are basically just DHEA. For the price of one bottle of that I can get AAS. I wouldn't waste my money.
    okay

  15. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech View Post
    too bad pstanz wont be around much longer, lg sciences ph's are safe and mild...


    http://www.nutraplanet.com/product/l...-capsules.html
    yeah SD (NOT liver friendly, liver-enemy ) and Pstanz are done as of the end of this month. not sure why Pstanz? guess cuz its like OTC winny or whatever....

  16. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech

    okay
    I fell into the trap a few years ago with their "Methyl 1-D". Since I was new to supps, it seemed to work great, but it was nothing more than a **** ton of DHEA and other ingredients in a blend. Then they give it a chemical sounding name, trademark it and sell it as a PH. But we've all been duped before! Lol. LG does have some other great products though.

  17. i like both, AAS and OTC stuff....you can do one AAS cycle per year, and the rest of the year do natty cycles (there is VERY good stuff out there now) and gray-area/PH/DS cycles too....keep it healthy and organ friendly most of the year, and do a more heavy duty AAS cycle once a year. then your on something or other pretty much perpetually but you are not harming yourself in any way....If you know how to train and eat properly? you can make do with natty/PH/DS with a little AAS mixed in here and there....

  18. Quote Originally Posted by JoeySon

    Everybody wants this, truth is the most "mild" ph's are the non-methylated. Typically mild on liver=mild gains so you'll be hard pressed to find a non methylated PH that will put good size on you. Try m-lgm, trenazone, or trenavar
    Trenavar and max lmg are both methylated
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  19. Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Trenavar and max lmg are both methylated
    you sure about that.

  20. Non-Methyl Trenazone, Helladrol is Methyl but seems to be pretty mild on Liver. These 2 could be stacked with Liver supports and you should be g2g.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech

    you sure about that.
    I'm not positive but a 13 Etheyl is another way of writing 18 methyl. It's not the same methylation as a 17 but it's still methylated.

    Not 100% on this jbryan has explained it before and I maybe confusing this info.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  22. the general consensus is that they are non methyl, either way alot safer on the liver than some. granted i will running dmz sooner than later

  23. Quote Originally Posted by hvactech
    the general consensus is that they are non methyl, either way alot safer on the liver than some. granted i will running dmz sooner than later
    Yeah alot easier on the liver than most. To the op I would say the safest thing would be the andro series or the AMS products.
    Christopher
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/239904-csa2179s-hulk-mirror.html#post4289751

  24. all in all dont stress so much on the liver toxicity, now dont neglect it either but just read through non methyl threads and make your choice......but you may want to grab some pstanz and sd while you can

  25. whatever you do dont stack methylated compounds and you can get away with just taking cycle assist. idk to much about prohoromes but the strongest non methyl use to be 19-nor (tren) but that got banned.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Bruiser76
    Oh, and to the OP. Liver friendly PHs is like Family friendly porn.... It doesn't exist for a reason.
    I laughed out loud at this...still tying to convince my wife otherwise...

  27. Quote Originally Posted by lboston

    I laughed out loud at this...still tying to convince my wife otherwise...
    Me too, brother. Me too...

  28. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    probably any of the androseries (DHEA based) and 7/11 keto/oxo....been on both and bloodwork said liver was perfectly normal in the 7th week of 8 week cycles. I believe Pstanz/win-50 is pretty friendly....these off the top of my head....
    ^^^Any of the AndorSereies products are liver, heart, kidney...safe and they work


  29. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    ^^^Any of the AndorSereies products are liver, heart, kidney...safe and they work
    I haven't tried any DHEA products yet, but the best thing about these in my opinion is the fact you stay on longer. More time to enjoy intense pumps and more time to train for gains.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by retroscapers View Post
    I haven't tried any DHEA products yet, but the best thing about these in my opinion is the fact you stay on longer. More time to enjoy intense pumps and more time to train for gains.
    Yes you can stay on longer in fact we recommend 8 week cycles and I am currently running a 12 week cycle myself. Longer cycles typically produce better sustained gains and given PCT is also much easier overall it is a win win imo.


  31. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    Yes you can stay on longer in fact we recommend 8 week cycles and I am currently running a 12 week cycle myself. Longer cycles typically produce better sustained gains and given PCT is also much easier overall it is a win win imo.
    Just curious but what is your current cycle and pct ?

  32. Quote Originally Posted by Austinmck17 View Post
    Just curious but what is your current cycle and pct ?
    AM at 6 pills a day weeks 1-12
    AE 5 pumps a day weeks 6-12
    Trenazone weeks 1-6

    PCT will be 4 weeks Torem 120/90/60/30 and the TRS with an additional 4 weeks of SA solo stacked with Anabeta Elite I may throw in a low dose of Osta in PCT if I can get regular intervals of blood work to show it isn't inhibiting recovery


  33. Quote Originally Posted by JoeySon View Post
    Everybody wants this, truth is the most "mild" ph's are the non-methylated. Typically mild on liver=mild gains so you'll be hard pressed to find a non methylated PH that will put good size on you. Try m-lgm, trenazone, or trenavar
    Agreed here. You'll see great gains with Trenazone or Trenavar. M-LMG I don't know about running it solo.
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  34. Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    Agreed here. You'll see great gains with Trenazone or Trenavar. M-LMG I don't know about running it solo.
    Solo M-LMG will produce great gains, I would stack it with an available test base


  35. Stano, lmg, androseries,alpha series,trenazone,sarms are also a option. Some winny clones, 11-oxo 1 ad and 4ad . Quite a selection actually.
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  36. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt
    Stano, lmg, androseries,alpha series,trenazone,sarms are also a option. Some winny clones, 11-oxo 1 ad and 4ad . Quite a selection actually.
    lmg is methylated just not a 17 a methyl so it's not as damaging.

  37. Quote Originally Posted by Austinmck17

    lmg is methylated just not a 17 a methyl so it's not as damaging.
    I was under impression (13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one ) is UN methylated.
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  38. Just go pure topical cycle!

    2 mls of trenazone a day

    4 pumps of AndroEnhance a day -- keep your liver and appetite!

    -Matt
    Body Problem Mechanic
    National Level Competitor.

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  39. Anyone have good experiences with the AMS or forerunner products?
  

  
 

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