"GYNO FRIENDLY" cycle!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Husker89 View Post
    Ya matt i thought tamoxifen citrate binds to receptors in the brain and in the nipples(breast tissue) thats why it is used in breast cancer. I havent heard that it itself causes certain tissues to have higher estrogen(due to binding) What tissues are these specifically
    I have also hear this. That's why I purchased nolva for post letro. I have heard nolva is not a god choice for prolactin/progesterone gyno. Maybe somebody could shed some light on this for us.


  2. Progesterone (spelling) and estrogen are two different hormones. While estrogen being increased can cause prog problem, you can still have increased prog with low estrogen. It can be a side of tren that's why you have to have caber dostinex to control it. If a regular ai could block both, we wouldn't need caber dostinex. Different hormones different drugs to combat them. Nolvadex I believe up regulates progestin receptors and since your injecting a exogenous progesterone compound (correct me if I'm wrong) it just makes it worse. Anyone can correct me I might be wrong lol

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by bigadam73 View Post
    Matt

    I would love to pick up some androhard. Who has the best prices?

    And would sustain alpha worsen gyno for somebody who is very gyno sensitive. Right now my main concern is killing this gyno. I'm not sure if I'm ever going to touch anything hormonal ever again
    I dont think Sustain Alpha Gel has ever irritated or triggered gyno -- alothough I WONT EVER say any conclusively, because the hormonal balancing act is nearly impossible to predict.

    -Matt

  4. Quote Originally Posted by epstaneman View Post
    How would it show estrogen effects when nolvadex competes with receptor sites binding to them to prevent any estrogen side effects to begin with?


    I've seen from my blood work it does alter liver values. In fact it F***ed with my shi* much more then the SD did. Was curious on your comment. I've read lots about nolvadex but never ran across what your stating. Would that only apply to already existing gyno rather then warding it off? Some insight would be nice.
    Nolv will act as estrogen in brain, heart, nipples etc... this can cause improved lipids, better gyno protection, but horrid mood swings,, mild depression, and skewed liver enzymes.

    I just aromasin -- from personal use and research

    -Matt

  5. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post

    I am unsure what the endo might do for you and would be VERY curious to hear their feedback.....probably just convince how benign it is and you are perfectly healthy and he would refer you to a cosmetic surgeon since its not life altering....

    -Matt
    this is what they all say, or something equally stupid....I had one tell me high estrogen is a GOOD thing last week, for your cardiovascular health. but the "it will go away by itself" is my favorite/most heard diagnosis of gyno. never ceases to amaze me how retarded these doctors are....
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    this is what they all say, or something equally stupid....I had one tell me high estrogen is a GOOD thing last week, for your cardiovascular health. but the "it will go away by itself" is my favorite/most heard diagnosis of gyno. never ceases to amaze me how retarded these doctors are....

    DO I need to make a AndroHard Enhance topical + get you on 6 AndroHard softgels a day!!!! lol

    --hmm.. AndroHard "Enhance" sounds cool eh???

    -Matt

  7. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter

    DO I need to make a AndroHard Enhance topical + get you on 6 AndroHard softgels a day!!!! lol

    --hmm.. AndroHard "Enhance" sounds cool eh???

    -Matt
    Topical OTC DHT would be a beautiful thing. Better than having to order andractim gel from Cyprus

  8. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Topical OTC DHT would be a beautiful thing. Better than having to order andractim gel from Cyprus

    Been trying to push this for a while --- I would need to break some legs to justify its usage -- as most feel from literature that oral (systemic) DHT like that from AndroHard would be more effective for sky rocketing DHT blood levels than a topical.

    -Matt

  9. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter

    Been trying to push this for a while --- I would need to break some legs to justify its usage -- as most feel from literature that oral (systemic) DHT like that from AndroHard would be more effective for sky rocketing DHT blood levels than a topical.

    -Matt
    Yeah systemic is better in many ways....but comes with its share of sides ...topical will target the desired area and should have no real sides. Tell Eric this then tell him DO IT!!!

  10. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Yeah systemic is better in many ways....but comes with its share of sides ...topical will target the desired area and should have no real sides. Tell Eric this then tell him DO IT!!!

    Its a huge drag to formulate these topical gels --- and takes tons of time to perfect the gel consistency and solubility of the ingredients into solution.

    I would really like to see how this product fares though and run a few prototype bottles and have some beta-testers -- (of course local) since we could have them in person doing their blood work

    -Matt

  11. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Yeah systemic is better in many ways....but comes with its share of sides ...topical will target the desired area and should have no real sides. Tell Eric this then tell him DO IT!!!

    think we could start a petition for topical androhard 'AndroHard Enhance"???

    get enough interest maybe it could happen?

    -Matt

  12. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    think we could start a petition for topical androhard 'AndroHard Enhance"???

    get enough interest maybe it could happen?

    -Matt
    yeah its worth a shot. start the thread, and I think there are enough of us that want the product that we can cyber-sign the shyt out of it .....just about EVERY guy on here either has, had, or THINKS he has gyno....and topicals that reduce fat/estrogenic fat are very popular of course. so a topical that spot reduces, and spot reduces gyno tissue/fat would be a huge hit if you ask me.

  13. Gatta love steroids on a flex-pay plan. I'd prob place an order myself ha ha ha

  14. Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post
    i came across this study. heavyiron posted it in another forum.

    Cancer Res. 1981 May;41(5):1984-8.

    Effects of tamoxifen on estrogen and progesterone receptors in human breast cancer.

    Waseda N, Kato Y, Imura H, Kurata M.

    Abstract

    Twenty patients with primary breast cancer were treated with tamoxifen (10 mg p.o. twice a day) for 1 to 4 weeks. Before and after the tamoxifen administration, tumor specimens were obtained and assayed for estrogen receptors and progesterone receptors (PGR). Total cytosol estrogen receptor (ERC) and occupied nuclear estrogen receptor (ERN) were measured by hydroxylapatite assay, and unoccupied PGR was measured by the dextran-coated charcoal assay. ERC, ERN, and PGR were detectable in 11, 8, and 6 tumors, respectively, before tamoxifen administration. After tamoxifen treatment, ERC decreased in 10 of 11 ERC-positive tumors. Occupied ERN increased in three of five ERN-positive tumors treated with tamoxifen for a short period (1 to 2 weeks), but they decreased in all of three ERN-positive tumors after longer administration (3 to 4 weeks). PGR increased in three of five ERN-positive tumors after short-term tamoxifen treatment, but they decreased in all of three tumors treated by the drug for a longer period. Increased PGR responses were accompanied by an increase of ERN in two of three ERN-positive tumors. These results suggest that tamoxifen interacts with the estrogen receptor system in human breast cancer tissue and may be estrogenic during short treatment, while longer treatment results in an antiestrogenic response.

    PMID:7214366 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


    Makes sense. It's a drug for breast cancer.




    I used tamox before and everything went well.

  15. OK I will start a thread for **** sake.....I personally think people would have great interest and lie the concept....but forums are a rather small niche of people ya know....

    -Matt

  16. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter
    OK I will start a thread for **** sake.....I personally think people would have great interest and lie the concept....but forums are a rather small niche of people ya know....

    -Matt
    yea I want this, it would be sick. all of the products being made into topicals would be nice too

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Austinmck17 View Post
    yea I want this, it would be sick. all of the products being made into topicals would be nice too
    Here is the catch --- Oral delivery SHOULD be superior for increasing overall DHT blood levels --- however -- for an extra DHT punch, something like the AndroHard Enhance could be quite the -'add-on' effect without more horse pills to ingest.

    Would like to make a prototype and get a 9 hr blood draw sample to compare to our oral 9 hr draw

    -Matt

  18. I have slight gyno and have run superdrol, anavar, test, mast, and tren all without any negative side effects regarding my gyno. Just make sure you have proper auxillieries and you'll be fine.
    Cutting all summer, cycle in September

  19. Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    I have slight gyno and have run superdrol, anavar, test, mast, and tren all without any negative side effects regarding my gyno. Just make sure you have proper auxillieries and you'll be fine.


    Out of being nosey.....how'd you get the gyno? Puberty or no/improper pct?

  20. I don't get it, I was on letro for 2 months. It reduced the gyno by 25 to 50%. I tapered off the letro because the lump stopped decreasing in size for about a month. I started nolva right after the letro. Now the lump is getting smaller and smaller everyday. The puffiness in my nipple is even going down. I am so happy, but shocked that the nolva is the thing that is actually killing my gyno! Can somebody explain to me why the nolva is working better than the letro???

  21. well nolvadex is a breast tissue specific SERM. So it makes perfect sense, people have been using nolvadex to treat gyno for decades and decades now. Usually in conjunction with an AI (such as letro in this case). but either/or can work on gyno as a standalone.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    well nolvadex is a breast tissue specific SERM. So it makes perfect sense, people have been using nolvadex to treat gyno for decades and decades now. Usually in conjunction with an AI (such as letro in this case). but either/or can work on gyno as a standalone.
    It's awesome. I gave up hope and was about to go see my doc to discuss gyno surgery, if my gyno shrinking then I won't need to! I read a lot of threads that said nolva would not reverse gyno but only prevent it if symptoms of gyno started. I guess I finally found what works for me. I can tell you one thing, I'm never touching another PH. Im just going to continue taking arimidex eod for a while after I stop the nolva

  23. Quote Originally Posted by bigadam73 View Post
    It's awesome. I gave up hope and was about to go see my doc to discuss gyno surgery, if my gyno shrinking then I won't need to! I read a lot of threads that said nolva would not reverse gyno but only prevent it if symptoms of gyno started. I guess I finally found what works for me. I can tell you one thing, I'm never touching another PH. Im just going to continue taking arimidex eod for a while after I stop the nolva


    Ya right. You'll touch another PH. Trust me....you'll be all like "well, I got rid of gyno before so what's the risk? Even if I got it I know how to treat it." ha ha


    Glad your gyno's going away. Remember to tapper off the letro so your estrogen doesn't re-bound and cause you to end up in the same situation again.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by epstaneman View Post
    Ya right. You'll touch another PH. Trust me....you'll be all like "well, I got rid of gyno before so what's the risk? Even if I got it I know how to treat it." ha ha


    Glad your gyno's going away. Remember to tapper off the letro so your estrogen doesn't re-bound and cause you to end up in the same situation again.
    I hope your wrong. Iv only done a handful of ph cycles. My first was rage rv5, a mix of tren and SuperDrol I believe. I could be wrong. This was 5 years ago. I felt gyno sides on day 3 of the rage rv5. I stopped the cycle immediately. Next I ran a few cycles of epi at your standard 30 mgs. No really gains. I felt like epi was crap. My most recent was h drol. I got my gyno 4 months after my cycle. Delayed mother f'ing gyno from h drol...****ty luck. If I do one day decide to do a cycle I will most likely run epi at a higher dosage. Maybbeeeee.... Never say never. I'm going to the doctor a few weeks after I'm done with the nolva, I'm going to run bloods and see if im eligible for hrt( my test level has been dropping fast over the last 2 years)

  25. Quote Originally Posted by bigadam73 View Post
    It's awesome. I gave up hope and was about to go see my doc to discuss gyno surgery, if my gyno shrinking then I won't need to! I read a lot of threads that said nolva would not reverse gyno but only prevent it if symptoms of gyno started. I guess I finally found what works for me. I can tell you one thing, I'm never touching another PH. Im just going to continue taking arimidex eod for a while after I stop the nolva

    No...you'll just be running AndroHard only cycles to further kill gyno and increase muscle density and hardness for dieting season.

    -Matt
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