"GYNO FRIENDLY" cycle!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    this is what they all say, or something equally stupid....I had one tell me high estrogen is a GOOD thing last week, for your cardiovascular health. but the "it will go away by itself" is my favorite/most heard diagnosis of gyno. never ceases to amaze me how retarded these doctors are....

    DO I need to make a AndroHard Enhance topical + get you on 6 AndroHard softgels a day!!!! lol

    --hmm.. AndroHard "Enhance" sounds cool eh???

    -Matt


  2. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter

    DO I need to make a AndroHard Enhance topical + get you on 6 AndroHard softgels a day!!!! lol

    --hmm.. AndroHard "Enhance" sounds cool eh???

    -Matt
    Topical OTC DHT would be a beautiful thing. Better than having to order andractim gel from Cyprus
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Topical OTC DHT would be a beautiful thing. Better than having to order andractim gel from Cyprus

    Been trying to push this for a while --- I would need to break some legs to justify its usage -- as most feel from literature that oral (systemic) DHT like that from AndroHard would be more effective for sky rocketing DHT blood levels than a topical.

    -Matt

  4. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter

    Been trying to push this for a while --- I would need to break some legs to justify its usage -- as most feel from literature that oral (systemic) DHT like that from AndroHard would be more effective for sky rocketing DHT blood levels than a topical.

    -Matt
    Yeah systemic is better in many ways....but comes with its share of sides ...topical will target the desired area and should have no real sides. Tell Eric this then tell him DO IT!!!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Yeah systemic is better in many ways....but comes with its share of sides ...topical will target the desired area and should have no real sides. Tell Eric this then tell him DO IT!!!

    Its a huge drag to formulate these topical gels --- and takes tons of time to perfect the gel consistency and solubility of the ingredients into solution.

    I would really like to see how this product fares though and run a few prototype bottles and have some beta-testers -- (of course local) since we could have them in person doing their blood work

    -Matt
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Yeah systemic is better in many ways....but comes with its share of sides ...topical will target the desired area and should have no real sides. Tell Eric this then tell him DO IT!!!

    think we could start a petition for topical androhard 'AndroHard Enhance"???

    get enough interest maybe it could happen?

    -Matt

  7. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    think we could start a petition for topical androhard 'AndroHard Enhance"???

    get enough interest maybe it could happen?

    -Matt
    yeah its worth a shot. start the thread, and I think there are enough of us that want the product that we can cyber-sign the shyt out of it .....just about EVERY guy on here either has, had, or THINKS he has gyno....and topicals that reduce fat/estrogenic fat are very popular of course. so a topical that spot reduces, and spot reduces gyno tissue/fat would be a huge hit if you ask me.

  8. Gatta love steroids on a flex-pay plan. I'd prob place an order myself ha ha ha

  9. Quote Originally Posted by RH2012 View Post
    i came across this study. heavyiron posted it in another forum.

    Cancer Res. 1981 May;41(5):1984-8.

    Effects of tamoxifen on estrogen and progesterone receptors in human breast cancer.

    Waseda N, Kato Y, Imura H, Kurata M.

    Abstract

    Twenty patients with primary breast cancer were treated with tamoxifen (10 mg p.o. twice a day) for 1 to 4 weeks. Before and after the tamoxifen administration, tumor specimens were obtained and assayed for estrogen receptors and progesterone receptors (PGR). Total cytosol estrogen receptor (ERC) and occupied nuclear estrogen receptor (ERN) were measured by hydroxylapatite assay, and unoccupied PGR was measured by the dextran-coated charcoal assay. ERC, ERN, and PGR were detectable in 11, 8, and 6 tumors, respectively, before tamoxifen administration. After tamoxifen treatment, ERC decreased in 10 of 11 ERC-positive tumors. Occupied ERN increased in three of five ERN-positive tumors treated with tamoxifen for a short period (1 to 2 weeks), but they decreased in all of three ERN-positive tumors after longer administration (3 to 4 weeks). PGR increased in three of five ERN-positive tumors after short-term tamoxifen treatment, but they decreased in all of three tumors treated by the drug for a longer period. Increased PGR responses were accompanied by an increase of ERN in two of three ERN-positive tumors. These results suggest that tamoxifen interacts with the estrogen receptor system in human breast cancer tissue and may be estrogenic during short treatment, while longer treatment results in an antiestrogenic response.

    PMID:7214366 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


    Makes sense. It's a drug for breast cancer.




    I used tamox before and everything went well.

  10. OK I will start a thread for **** sake.....I personally think people would have great interest and lie the concept....but forums are a rather small niche of people ya know....

    -Matt

  11. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter
    OK I will start a thread for **** sake.....I personally think people would have great interest and lie the concept....but forums are a rather small niche of people ya know....

    -Matt
    yea I want this, it would be sick. all of the products being made into topicals would be nice too

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Austinmck17 View Post
    yea I want this, it would be sick. all of the products being made into topicals would be nice too
    Here is the catch --- Oral delivery SHOULD be superior for increasing overall DHT blood levels --- however -- for an extra DHT punch, something like the AndroHard Enhance could be quite the -'add-on' effect without more horse pills to ingest.

    Would like to make a prototype and get a 9 hr blood draw sample to compare to our oral 9 hr draw

    -Matt

  13. I have slight gyno and have run superdrol, anavar, test, mast, and tren all without any negative side effects regarding my gyno. Just make sure you have proper auxillieries and you'll be fine.
    Cutting all summer, cycle in September

  14. Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    I have slight gyno and have run superdrol, anavar, test, mast, and tren all without any negative side effects regarding my gyno. Just make sure you have proper auxillieries and you'll be fine.


    Out of being nosey.....how'd you get the gyno? Puberty or no/improper pct?

  15. I don't get it, I was on letro for 2 months. It reduced the gyno by 25 to 50%. I tapered off the letro because the lump stopped decreasing in size for about a month. I started nolva right after the letro. Now the lump is getting smaller and smaller everyday. The puffiness in my nipple is even going down. I am so happy, but shocked that the nolva is the thing that is actually killing my gyno! Can somebody explain to me why the nolva is working better than the letro???

  16. well nolvadex is a breast tissue specific SERM. So it makes perfect sense, people have been using nolvadex to treat gyno for decades and decades now. Usually in conjunction with an AI (such as letro in this case). but either/or can work on gyno as a standalone.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    well nolvadex is a breast tissue specific SERM. So it makes perfect sense, people have been using nolvadex to treat gyno for decades and decades now. Usually in conjunction with an AI (such as letro in this case). but either/or can work on gyno as a standalone.
    It's awesome. I gave up hope and was about to go see my doc to discuss gyno surgery, if my gyno shrinking then I won't need to! I read a lot of threads that said nolva would not reverse gyno but only prevent it if symptoms of gyno started. I guess I finally found what works for me. I can tell you one thing, I'm never touching another PH. Im just going to continue taking arimidex eod for a while after I stop the nolva

  18. Quote Originally Posted by bigadam73 View Post
    It's awesome. I gave up hope and was about to go see my doc to discuss gyno surgery, if my gyno shrinking then I won't need to! I read a lot of threads that said nolva would not reverse gyno but only prevent it if symptoms of gyno started. I guess I finally found what works for me. I can tell you one thing, I'm never touching another PH. Im just going to continue taking arimidex eod for a while after I stop the nolva


    Ya right. You'll touch another PH. Trust me....you'll be all like "well, I got rid of gyno before so what's the risk? Even if I got it I know how to treat it." ha ha


    Glad your gyno's going away. Remember to tapper off the letro so your estrogen doesn't re-bound and cause you to end up in the same situation again.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by epstaneman View Post
    Ya right. You'll touch another PH. Trust me....you'll be all like "well, I got rid of gyno before so what's the risk? Even if I got it I know how to treat it." ha ha


    Glad your gyno's going away. Remember to tapper off the letro so your estrogen doesn't re-bound and cause you to end up in the same situation again.
    I hope your wrong. Iv only done a handful of ph cycles. My first was rage rv5, a mix of tren and SuperDrol I believe. I could be wrong. This was 5 years ago. I felt gyno sides on day 3 of the rage rv5. I stopped the cycle immediately. Next I ran a few cycles of epi at your standard 30 mgs. No really gains. I felt like epi was crap. My most recent was h drol. I got my gyno 4 months after my cycle. Delayed mother f'ing gyno from h drol...****ty luck. If I do one day decide to do a cycle I will most likely run epi at a higher dosage. Maybbeeeee.... Never say never. I'm going to the doctor a few weeks after I'm done with the nolva, I'm going to run bloods and see if im eligible for hrt( my test level has been dropping fast over the last 2 years)

  20. Quote Originally Posted by bigadam73 View Post
    It's awesome. I gave up hope and was about to go see my doc to discuss gyno surgery, if my gyno shrinking then I won't need to! I read a lot of threads that said nolva would not reverse gyno but only prevent it if symptoms of gyno started. I guess I finally found what works for me. I can tell you one thing, I'm never touching another PH. Im just going to continue taking arimidex eod for a while after I stop the nolva

    No...you'll just be running AndroHard only cycles to further kill gyno and increase muscle density and hardness for dieting season.

    -Matt

  21. Quote Originally Posted by bigadam73 View Post
    I hope your wrong. Iv only done a handful of ph cycles. My first was rage rv5, a mix of tren and SuperDrol I believe. I could be wrong. This was 5 years ago. I felt gyno sides on day 3 of the rage rv5. I stopped the cycle immediately. Next I ran a few cycles of epi at your standard 30 mgs. No really gains. I felt like epi was crap. My most recent was h drol. I got my gyno 4 months after my cycle. Delayed mother f'ing gyno from h drol...****ty luck. If I do one day decide to do a cycle I will most likely run epi at a higher dosage. Maybbeeeee.... Never say never. I'm going to the doctor a few weeks after I'm done with the nolva, I'm going to run bloods and see if im eligible for hrt( my test level has been dropping fast over the last 2 years)

    It's not so much that it's 'delayed'.....it's that gyno takes a good period of time to even develop. The only thing delayed are peoples pct plans being well thought out lol I'm actually getting pretty sweet ass gains off epistane. Also, I get blood work done every 2 weeks during pct. This way I can adjust my doses as needed.


    Only true way to do proper pct is regular blood work. You can't just pop pct pills and serms, go to bed at night, say a prayer....then hope everything turns out okay in the future. Just don't work like that.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by epstaneman View Post
    It's not so much that it's 'delayed'.....it's that gyno takes a good period of time to even develop. The only thing delayed are peoples pct plans being well thought out lol I'm actually getting pretty sweet ass gains off epistane. Also, I get blood work done every 2 weeks during pct. This way I can adjust my doses as needed.


    Only true way to do proper pct is regular blood work. You can't just pop pct pills and serms, go to bed at night, say a prayer....then hope everything turns out okay in the future. Just don't work like that.
    Going every 2 weeks sounds like a smart thing. If I do cycle again I will consider that.
    I don't see myself running any compounds anytime soon.
    I would love to try androhard v3 but there's only one problem...the price! Why is androhard so expensive??! I can buy a bottle of epi, support supps and pct for cheaper

  23. Quote Originally Posted by bigadam73 View Post
    Going every 2 weeks sounds like a smart thing. If I do cycle again I will consider that.
    I don't see myself running any compounds anytime soon.
    I would love to try androhard v3 but there's only one problem...the price! Why is androhard so expensive??! I can buy a bottle of epi, support supps and pct for cheaper

    Ill make it cheaper man....I promise!!!!

    Just give me a chance.

    -Matt

  24. Quote Originally Posted by bigadam73

    Going every 2 weeks sounds like a smart thing. If I do cycle again I will consider that.
    I don't see myself running any compounds anytime soon.
    I would love to try androhard v3 but there's only one problem...the price! Why is androhard so expensive??! I can buy a bottle of epi, support supps and pct for cheaper
    I understand that One. I've been wanting to try an 8 week cycle of PP products but it's way too expensive and unsure of results. Love the reps and the company but $$$$$ is an issue.

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  25. ^ I hear ya.

  26. Even with the coupons --- you guys still struggling to justify the cycle cost?

    What could you guys swing?

    -Matt

  27. Just a bit expensive for being unsure on gains. I'd want to try it but I'd also like to try other products your company has too! Maybe to stack. Need to read up on reviews first.

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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Lhns2 View Post
    Just a bit expensive for being unsure on gains. I'd want to try it but I'd also like to try other products your company has too! Maybe to stack. Need to read up on reviews first.

    Sent from my super duper VS920 4G using Am.com app!

    What gains or goals do you have in mind?

    What have you used in past?

    What questions do you have about the products?

    -Matt

  29. Quote Originally Posted by epstaneman View Post
    Out of being nosey.....how'd you get the gyno? Puberty or no/improper pct?
    Ran a cycle of the OG Mass Tabs when I was 17-18. Didn't know anything about steroids and didn't fully understand what I was taking and my PCT was garbage. Slowly developed small case of gyno in the following months.
    Cutting all summer, cycle in September

  30. Quote Originally Posted by T50 View Post
    Ran a cycle of the OG Mass Tabs when I was 17-18. Didn't know anything about steroids and didn't fully understand what I was taking and my PCT was garbage. Slowly developed small case of gyno in the following months.


    You look in good shape. You can always man whore for surgery money lol



    It's always been MY go 2 plan for 'just in case sh*t happens.' Work as a stripper or night club bus boy.
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