What Syringes to Use?
- 08-07-2012, 11:37 PM
What Syringes to Use?
I've done a couple of oral only cycles (since I was suffering from a very bad phobia from needles) but now as I'm getting over it I'm preparing to start my first for real cycle.
I know that with heavy oils one should use the 1 1/2 inch pin, what about lighter substances? Can I use a slin pin? also do I have to do an intra-muscular injection or could I go for ID?
I'm basically planning to use diamond pharma's cut-stack 150 and injectable primo.
Thanks a lot for the help guys.
- 08-07-2012, 11:45 PM
the needle length has nothing to do with the flow of the oil, that would be the gauge....21g, 25g, 18g etc. the length has to do with the area of injection, quad or glute or delt etc.
08-08-2012, 01:44 AM
id like to see how your cycle goes keep us updated, i also plan to run my first real cycle sometime this winter, im tired of all the ph bs
How To Inject Steroids (HCG and HGH are different)
All oil based and water based anabolic steroids should be taken intramuscularly. This means the shot must penetrate the skin and subcutaneous tissue to enter the muscle itself. Intramuscular injections are used when prompt absorption is desired, when larger doses are needed than can be given cutaneously or when a drug is too irritating to be given subcutaneously. The common sites for in tramuscular injectons include the buttock, lateral side of the thigh, and the deltoid region of the arm. Muscles in these areas, especially the gluteal muscles in the buttock, are fairly thick. Because of the large number of muscle fibers and extensive fascia, (fascia is a type of connective tissue that surrounds and separates muscles) the drug has a large surface area for absorption. Absorption is further promoted by the extensive blood supply to muscles. Ideally, intramuscular injections should be given deep within the muscle and away from major nerves and blood vessels.
The best site for steroid injections is in the gluteus medius muscle which is located in the upper outer quadrant of the buttock. The iliac crest serves as a landmark for this quadrant. The spot for an injection in an adult is usually to 7 1/2 centimeters (2 to 3 inches) below the iliac crest. The iliac crest is the top of the pelvic girdle on the posterior (back) side. You can find the iliac crest by feeling the uppermost bony area above each gluteal muscle. The upper outer quadrant is chosen because the muscle in this area is quite thick and has few nerves. The probability of injecting the drug into a blood vessel is remote in this area. Injecting here reduces the chance of injury to the sciatic nerve which runs through the lower and middle area of the buttock. It controls the posterior of each thigh and the entire leg from the knee down. If an injection is too close to this nerve or actually hits it, extreme pain and temporary paralysis can be felt in these areas. This is especially undesirable and warrants staying as far away from this area as possible.
Three Acceptable Sites for Intramuscular Injections are Shown:
B) Lateral Surface of the Thigh
C) Deltoid Region
If the gluteal region cannot be injected for some reason, the second choice would be the lateral portion of the thigh. Usually, intramuscular injections in the thigh are only indicated for infants and children. The vastus lateralis muscle is the only area of the thigh that should be injected intramuscularly. This site is determined by using the knee and the greater trochanter of the femur as landmarks. The greater trochanter is the bony area that you can feel where the femur joins the pelvic girdle. The mid portion of the muscle is located by measuring the handbreadth above the knee and the handbreadth below the greater trochanter. Injecting into the front of the thigh or inside of the thigh is extremely unwise. These areas contain nerves as well as a number of blood vessels.
What Needles to Use?
It is important to choose the proper syringe for the administration of injectable anabolic steroids . The principle components of a syringe include a cylindrical barrel to one end of which a hollow needle is attached, and a close fitting plunger. The most acceptable syringe for injecting anabolic steroids is a 22 gauge 1 1/2" or 23 gauge 1" apparatus with a 3 cc case. This length allows for penetration to reach deep inside the muscle tissue. Shorter needles, 5/8" or 1/2" are usually not sufficient for intramuscular injections and occasionally leave a portion of the Injection in a subcutaneous area which will cause a swell between the skin and muscle as well as impaired absorption. The gauge size of a syringe represents the needle's diameter. The lower the gauge number, the wider. A 27 gauge needle is very thin. An 18 gauge is quite wide; it is often referred to as a cannon. Both 22 and 23 gauge needles are not so large that they are difficult to insert, yet are large enough for solutions to easily be propelled through them.
Glute injections: 23 gauge 1.5 inch long needles will do
Thigh injections: 25 gauge 1 inch long needles will do
Deltoid injections: 25 gauge 1 inch long needles will do.
There are a number of steps that should be understood in order to complete a safe and proper intramuscular injection. First off, before handling any needles or vials, the user should take a thorough shower. Next, an alcohol swab should be used to clean the injection site and another alcohol swab should be used to clean the rubber stopper on top of the vial which will be drawn from. Then, take a brand new syringe out of its wrapper, remove its plastic top, draw about 2 ccs of air into it and insert it into the vial. Inject this air into the vial; this creates pressure within the vial and makes it easier to draw out oil based preparations. Then, turn the vial upside-down and slowly draw out the oil until you have overdrawn at least 1/4 cc. For example, if someone were to take an injection of 1 cc, they should pull out approximately 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 ccs of liquid, then tap the side of the case to help get the air bubbles that were drawn into the syringe to come to the top. At that point, the excess 1/4 to 1/2 cc could be injected back into the vial and the needle removed. Then, hold the syringe needle-side-up and continue to tap it to encourage all the air bubbles to come to the top of the syringe. Now, take another clean syringe, remove it from its sterile package and unscrew the needle from the syringe. Exchange the brand new needle for the one that has just been injected into the stopper. By using two needles for every injection, you can take advantage of using the full sharpness of the pin. The needle does suffer some dulling when it is pushed through the firm rubber stopper on a vial. It is important not to touch this needle before the injection. It should not come into contact with a counter top, your fingers, nor should it be cleaned with alcohol. This needle is sterile and should not be touched. At this point, once again swab the injection site with alcohol, then press the stopper of the syringe holding it needle-side-up, until the slight air bubbles that are at the top are pressed out. Once a bead of oil has appeared at the top of the needle, allow it run down the surface of the needle which provides lubrication. At this time, take the syringe and hold it like a dart. Use the other hand to stretch the skin at the injection site and simply push the sharp clean needle in. After inserting it deep into the muscle, pull back on the stopper for a few seconds to make sure it does not fill up with blood which would indicate that the needle had been injected into a blood vessel. Providing there is no blood present in the syringe, slowly press the stopper down until all the oil is injected. Then, quickly pull the needle out and take another alcohol swab and press firmly on the injection site. This will minimize bleeding, if there is any, and by firmly pressing on the injection site and slightly massaging it, some of the soreness may be eliminated. It is important that the liquid is not injected too quickly as this causes more pain at the site during the injection and in the proceeding days. After this procedure has been completed, return the plastic caps to shield the needles and make sure they are discarded properly. To avoid discomfort and excessive scar tissue at the injection site, it is not wise to inject more than 2 ccs of solution per shot. It is also not prudent to use the same injection site more than twice a week (once a week is preferred).
Hints for Injections:
1) Always warm up the vial or ampule to body temperature before injection. You can do that by placing it under your arm for about five minutes or placing the amp in warm water. DO NOT MICROWAVE.
2) Just before injection push the plunger to allow a drop of liquid to form on the end of the needle and let it run down the needle by holding it upside down. That lets the oil coat the needle and give it a bit more lubrication through the skin and muscle.
3) Some people have reported rubbing Viatamin E on the injection site aids in recovery.
08-09-2012, 02:39 AM
Warbird, thanks a million for the tip, so delts injections a short pin but quads or glutes a longer one.
Kswis, thanks for the help man, the stuff is so comprehensive. I should start the cycle in about two weeks I plan on running Cut Stack 150 Every Other day and have one propionate per week for six weeks. Afterwards, I may run a short Anavar and Primo Cycle, but I'm not too sure about it yet. I should definitely finish before winter so I can tell you how it worked out for me. I've done phs for a while and I can relate to your frustration bro.
08-09-2012, 02:44 AM
Yeah 5/8 can be used in the delt and 1inch for quads in my experience....I like to use 25 gauge whenever possible... Smaller gauge to inject ... But use a larger gauge to draw ...makes it easier to draw and less painful and less scar tissue upon injecting
08-09-2012, 08:28 AM
08-09-2012, 10:15 AM
You want to do an oil as an ID injection? Wow man. Time to be a big boy if you are gonna do steroids.
08-09-2012, 11:03 PM
But as you've said it's time to be a big boy. And if you could do it and handle injecting myself a couple of times so far IM.
08-12-2012, 09:03 AM
08-12-2012, 11:02 AM
You can use any length needle IM or subq shots doesn't matter absorption rate is the same. I'm injections in the glute though are easy as pie and don't hurt or get slin pins an do delta and such. Once you start injecting try locating your ventrogluteal site for injection. Big open space with no pain at all for injects
08-19-2012, 11:18 AM
Colonial, thanks a lot for this. You're confirming some of the stuff I've been reading recently. Cheers
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