- 08-03-2012, 06:28 AM
Want some advice on how to pulse Epi correctly. I want to take 3-4 times a week, 30-40mg. How long can I do this being as safe as possible. The epistane bottle contains total of 900mg so three days a week would go for 7.5 weeks @ 40mg. Is this advisable? Or should i do 5.6 weeks at 4 times a week @40mg. For PCT I plan Clomid for two weeks. What support supps are needed? I was thinking Fish Oil and multi as standard plus organ shield on off days.
This will be my 3rd cycle, first was Epi and Hal 4 weeks (stupid cycle) and second was Ultra and Tren 6 weeks. I know results won't be as drastic as a ED cycle but want to cause as little as possible damage to my body as poss, I know even a pulse is damaging.
Just some general advice or info wanted please.
- 08-03-2012, 06:32 AM
08-05-2012, 11:51 AM
08-05-2012, 08:43 PM
08-05-2012, 08:53 PM
Usually when you pulse you can run a higher dosage. Running 50mg MWF or EOD would probably be your best bet.
08-06-2012, 02:02 AM
Not yet but was planning to. Would there be any problems to this?Originally Posted by Lacrossedude6
08-06-2012, 02:13 AM
08-06-2012, 04:05 AM
MWF @ 40mg for the first week then bump to 50mg the second week. You can realistically run the cycle for 7-8 weeks if you had enough or just run the bottle out. As for PCT, SERM is not required for pulsing. That's the whole point but if you wanna do it then only use for a week. Get Torem instead for Clomid.
Day 1-2 120mg
Day 3-4 90mg
Day 5-6 60mg
Day 7 30mg
But really you don't need to do that. You will only be shut down on the days your using it. Within 24hrs your hormones self regulate so your basically back to normal. ThIs also depends on how hIgh your runnIng and the compounds. I ran SD 10mg/Epi 30mg pulse 3 days a week for 6 weeks and recovered fine with just a good test booster. Now if you were doing 2 days on 1 day off a SERM would be okay to use because In that dosIng scheme your only gettIng 3 recovery days, the 4th day I notIced really helps. But at that point it really depends on how you feel with that dosing schedule. I've also pulsed SD as high as 30mg for 4 weeks without a SERM, recovered fine then also. So again, go by how you feel because pulsing doesn't require a SERM.
Grab a bottle of EndoSurge and on your off days use that as an additional recovery aid. Run the Shield on your Epi days as that's when you need the liver support. Otherwise pick up some Liv52 and use that on your Epi days and the Shield on your off days. Might as well run fish oil the whole time cause of its many benefits.
08-06-2012, 04:56 AM
That's some great info man, thanks.Originally Posted by tallguy34
How long do you wait between cycles? For example if I did 6 weeks on, 1 week clomid/tam what is recommended before repeating. If not too long I will do this as 6 weeks is a bottle. However if a over a month I would run for 8 weeks.
The reason for doing clomid is I have access to it at a cheap price, cheaper than most test boosters. I can try and swap it for tam but that's a bit harder for me to get. Unsure about torem. Have to ask...
I am defo keeping it at MWF with 4 recovery days. The more time to recover the better.
08-06-2012, 12:44 PM
Roughly 2-3 weeks. That's the beauty of pulsing. Off cycle time can be pretty short. Just make sure the compound your pulsing is roughly an 8 hr half life.
08-06-2012, 03:29 PM
OP - Do you plan on logging this cycle? Curious about it as it is similar to what I am planning on running.
08-06-2012, 03:36 PM
Was thinking about it as its always good for feedback and advice. Just if an epi pulse would create enough interest... Either way I probably will...Originally Posted by willimatic
08-06-2012, 03:58 PM
It probably would. Just be prepared for all the people that say pulsing is a waste of time. Not sure I'd call 10lbs from an SD/Epi pulse a waste of time though...
08-07-2012, 05:22 PM
08-07-2012, 05:27 PM
Yeah browsing logs and threads I get the impression pulse cycle are not that well "liked"...Originally Posted by tallguy34
Either way I plan on doing a few pulses. I'm not after immediate gains and would prefer the gains to come slower, as slower gains can be easier to keep.
Reading over "pulse" threads I notice some say it increases gyno chances, is this true? And is there anything I can take for protection regardless whether it is true or not? Just a small dose of something to be safe
08-07-2012, 05:32 PM
08-07-2012, 05:33 PM
08-07-2012, 05:41 PM
08-07-2012, 06:05 PM
Dang. Now that I think about it an Epi/EndoSurge/FormaSurge run would be fun as hell!!
08-07-2012, 06:33 PM
Epi/EndoSurge/FormaSurge sounds like a good little stack. If I go the pulse route, I would pulse Epi MWF and could I take the EndoSurge/FormaSurge every day or just do off days?
As far as the liver/organ support, I prefer more control like you said and get separate individual products.
08-07-2012, 06:37 PM
Yeah. Take the EndoSurge and FormaSurge every day. Not sure what your goal is but if your diets is in check you will get some nice lean gains off this.
08-07-2012, 06:40 PM
Oh, and due to epistanes make up gyro isn't something that normally happens all that much. But with pulsing your hormones fluctuate so you never know. I didn't get any off my Epi or SD/Epi pulse and I'm gyro prone. Had surgery to remove it twice and now I definitely won't get that ishy b*tch again.
08-08-2012, 08:09 PM
08-08-2012, 08:30 PM
On a 2 day on 1 day off dosing scenario like M/T on W off and T/F on then a SERM would be beneficial but not necessary. I believe there is a thread somewhere on here started by Dr. D that explains pulsing orals. Keep in mind three compound has to have a Half-Life of roughly 8 hrs or less. I've seen logs of DMZ pulsed and the guys recovered fine and it has a Half-Life of 10 hrs I think.
08-09-2012, 02:08 AM
There sure is a thread from Dr D! It's f**king huge! I read through the first 20 pages and the last 20... It's called "how to pulse orals"!Originally Posted by tallguy34
08-09-2012, 02:18 AM
08-13-2012, 06:34 AM
Ok so this is what I have gone for;
Cycle (7 weeks)
Havoc (m,w,f @ 50)
For pct (3 weeks)
Daa powder (unsure if to have a small dose on off days as well, any advice?)
Liquid fish oil (2.7g of EPA and DHA combined daily)
HMB Caps (after reading how well fish oil and HMB work well together)
As for liver protection going to assess as I go on.
Diet is high in protein with lots of fibre. May switch to a keto at some point, unsure at the moment.
Looking for a recomp/cut, will be doing a 4 day split, cardio will be insanity workouts 3-4 days per week (not the full insanity program).
I will probably start a log once I start the cycle which should be either next week or the week after.
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