First PH cycle (h-drol) please critique

[who281]

I know there are a million of these, but i want to make sure this is correct for ME, not just copy someone else's cycle.

Background & Stats:
-6'1" 225-230lbs
-Lifting for ~7 years
-Diet/training in check
-Only thing i have taken other than basic supps is Ostarine

Goals:
-Add strength and size
-Wouldn't mind leaning out, but not priority
-More specifically gain 10lbs, and reallllly wanna hit 600 on raw deads.

Cycle:
Week 1 - Cycle Assist (4 x 2)
Week 2 - Cycle Assist (4 x 2)
Week 3 - Cycle Assist (4 x 2), Fish Oil 6g, H-Drol 50mg
Week 4 - Cycle Assist (4 x 2), Fish Oil 6g, H-Drol 75mg
Week 5 - Cycle Assist (4 x 2), Fish Oil 6g, H-Drol 75mg
Week 6 - Cycle Assist (4 x 2), Fish Oil 6g, H-Drol 100mg
Week 7 - Cycle Assist (4 x 2), Fish Oil 6g, H-Drol 100mg
Week 8 - Cycle Assist (4 x 2), Fish Oil 6g, H-Drol 100mg, DAA 6 g, Erase (??)

Week 9 - Cycle Assist (4 x 2), DAA 6g, Erase (??), Torem 90
Week 10 - Cycle Assist (4 x 2), DAA 3g, Erase (??), Torem 60
Week 11 - Cycle Assist (4 x 2), DAA 3g, Erase (??), Torem 60
Week 12 - Cycle Assist (4 x 2), DAA 3g, Erase (??), Torem 30

Staples:
-Multi Orange triad
-Creatine AKG
-Omega 3- which i guess i will replace with the fish oil?
-Taurine

Questions:
1.) Should i use Erase or Erase pro? and how much?
2.) Should i use Torem, nolva, or clomid? i just put torem because its the only one i have used.
3.) Which hdrol clone would u recommend?(helladrol,halo xt, ect....)
4.) Should i take taurine EVERYDAY or as needed? and also how much?
5.) Is any extra liver support needed?
6.) Should i switch to PCT assist during pct?
7.) Should i continue creatine during cycle? or stop and start again during PCT?
8.) TIMING? when is the best time to take hdrol?
also when i have read not to take cycle assist within 4 hours of taking hdrol?
9.) Usually take (caffeine,arginine,beta alanine) akg for pre workout, should i stop these?

PLEASE critique the entire cycle, any opinions, ideas, changes please tell me.

THANKS!

 

[twisted72]

Hey man, looks like you did your homework, looks similar to the cycle I'm finishing up. I went with Helladrol at 75/75/100/100/125/125, first 3 days I did 50 to see how it felt. I'm in my last week and so far have gained 14 pounds and strength has gon through the roof, example.. was benching with 85lb dbls now up to 110's, I've gone up on everything.

I went with Torem too as I've used it with great results, Daa, and Erase instead of Pro, so I can taper it, also tossing in another test booster, Endosurge for good measure. So far the only sides I've had were a little elevated BP, a little less desire for sex(although no erectile problems), and a tiny bit of acne but nothing bad.

I've only used Taurine when needed, if I'm doing alot of hard labor at work, I feel my back getting tight so I'll pop a few.

I'm going with Life Support(same as cycle assist) all the way through PCT, also creatine all the way through.

Timing... you want to space out your hdrol and supports 4 hours so whatever works, I dose hdrol at 5:30am and 3pm and supports at 11am and before bed.

Lay off caffine or stims, I found my BP would shoot up when I drank coffee or tried pre workouts.

Heres my cycle layout, seems to be working great so far, good luck...

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/205315-interested-another-h.html

 

[southparkbbb]

1.) Should i use Erase or Erase pro? and how much?
2.) Should i use Torem, nolva, or clomid? i just put torem because its the only one i have used.
3.) Which hdrol clone would u recommend?(helladrol,halo xt, ect....)
4.) Should i take taurine EVERYDAY or as needed? and also how much?
5.) Is any extra liver support needed?
6.) Should i switch to PCT assist during pct?
7.) Should i continue creatine during cycle? or stop and start again during PCT?
8.) TIMING? when is the best time to take hdrol?
also when i have read not to take cycle assist within 4 hours of taking hdrol?
9.) Usually take (caffeine,arginine,beta alanine) akg for pre workout, should i stop these?


1. erase; 1/2/3/2/1 (start 2nd week pct)
2. either should work fine; go by ur preference
3. helladrol is pretty good (havent used others so idk)
4. as needed when u start gettin back pumps. 8-10g does the trick for me
5. liver support isnt needed, but highly reccomended as hdrol is liver toxic
6. yes
7. i personally like using creatine throughout
8. 1-1 at 50mg; 2-1 at 75mg works fine
9. no caffeine or limited caffeine on cycle; ur blood pressure is alrdy gonna be higher from the hdrol

 

[who281]

Thanks guys appreciate the help!

twisted- 14lbs! thats crazy, now im really excited! I will check out your log, seems like you are doing something right haha.

southpark- you say start erase 2nd week of PCT, should i wait to start DAA until then too? or start on my last week of H-drol like originally planned?

Thanks again guys

 

[Drolball]

IMO I would start erase 3rd week of pct at 1/2/3/2/1 and start DAA either last week of hdrol or first week of pct.... Helladrol is nice cuz it has a lot of caps but I personally like CEL hdrol the best. Other then that everything looks spot on.

 

[who281]

And i should switch to pct assist instead of just running cycle assist through pct? Even with erase and DAA?

And would it be worth me trying to find someone selling CEL? is it noticeably better?

 

[Drolball]

I wouldn't even bother with pct assist. The SERM, DAA, and erase will do it just fine. Continue cycle assist through pct as well, it's good to have liver, blood, and cholesterol support during pct. As far as hdrol vs helladrol, I saw better results wit hdrol but that's just me everyone's different. Clearly twisted got some sweet gains from hella.

 

[who281]

Ok thats what i thought, thanks!

And i will try to find some CEL hdrol. For some reason it scares me buying from some random individual, but in reality its really no more sketcky than most supp companies ha.

From my understanding helladrol is only sold on MRS site correct?

and one more question... Should i stop taking Arginine pre w/o?

 

[Drolball]

I think it's the cheapest at MRS.. Arginine will actually be benificial during cycle for two reasons: it can help lower blood pressure and when taking with the grape seed extract in the cycle assist, will increase NO. I would however drop caffeine completely if you can.

 

[who281]

Ok perfect, and yes I will drop to caffeine completely. Thanks again for all the help

 

[Drolball]

No prob. Good luck with the cycle bro

 

[who281]

Getting worried about the quality of these products now, i read one review that says helladrol is bunk, another that says cel is bunk.

I was leaning more towards CEL. But now i have read alot of reviews saying the later batches were just dhea?

So now im leaning more towards helladrol because Twisted had such great gains and just recently bought from them.

Are there any clones out right now that are just way better? for sure 100% legit. Or do i just take the plunge with helladrol and stop being a *****? ha

 

[mich29]

both are solid compaines.hella is a solid choice

 

[who281]

Decided to just go with hella. But now i am wondering if i should add a test base to this cycle? Or maybe stack it with something.

I really want to max my gains, would adding a test base like transaderm or 4-ad help any? Or is this mainly for side effects?

Ordered some SD because of the ban but really don't think that would be a good idea for my first time...

opinions?

 

[machorox123]

Cel Is legit bro.. I can't add a link on my phone but look at my latest posts.. I bumped a thread of my pmag experience

 

[machorox123]

Cel Is legit bro.. I can't add a link on my phone but look at my latest posts.. I bumped a thread of my pmag experience

 

[schroedes]

Why not Iron Mags halo extreme?

 

[Stupes]

Who281 - at your size I wouldn't bother taking Hdrol at anything under 75mg. I took it for 30 days at 50mg and got squadoosh - it was the original Gaspari H50. I would go at 100mg for 6 weeks.

Like other guys said - I would start the Erase later - on week 4 and keep it light. You don't want to completely kill estrogen in PCT - you want it to come back along with your test - it is essential in order to reach balance.

A test base would not be a bad idea certainly - to counteract shut down.

 

[standon23]

It wouldn't counteract shutdown essentially it would make you more shutdown, you would just feel less shutdown but I think you"ll be alright with out it for this

 

[Stupes]

It wouldn't counteract shutdown essentially it would make you more shutdown, you would just feel less shutdown but I think you"ll be alright with out it for this

By counteract - I mean counteract the side effects of shut down. 6 weeks of Halo up to 100mg will shut him down - taking a test base won't make him "more shut down" - he will be shut down, period. I agree that he will be OK without a test base - but it's not a bad idea.

If he does decide to go with some sort of test base - just make sure it clears the system along with the Halo so PCT can start ASAP.

 

[epstaneman]

Taking more then 3g of DAA a day is just a waste of product.

 

[who281]

Who281 - at your size I wouldn't bother taking Hdrol at anything under 75mg. I took it for 30 days at 50mg and got squadoosh - it was the original Gaspari H50. I would go at 100mg for 6 weeks.

Like other guys said - I would start the Erase later - on week 4 and keep it light. You don't want to completely kill estrogen in PCT - you want it to come back along with your test - it is essential in order to reach balance.

A test base would not be a bad idea certainly - to counteract shut down.

Ya i was just going to take 50mg for the first few days and see how i feel. I guess i will do week one at 75mg, then 100mg for the rest, might bump to 125 last 2 weeks and see how i feel. Best way to dose 1morning 2 afternoon (75mg)/ 2 morning 2 afternoon (100mg)?

By counteract - I mean counteract the side effects of shut down. 6 weeks of Halo up to 100mg will shut him down - taking a test base won't make him "more shut down" - he will be shut down, period. I agree that he will be OK without a test base - but it's not a bad idea.

If he does decide to go with some sort of test base - just make sure it clears the system along with the Halo so PCT can start ASAP.

when you say "clear the system" do u mean stop taking it when i stop the halo, or do these test bases stay in your system longer?

Also what would be the best test base? besides actual test?

Taking more then 3g of DAA a day is just a waste of product.

Thank you, i will do some more research then.




THANKS again!

 

[who281]

Ok if i did find a trustworthy source for "real" gear, would you guys still recommend hdrol as a first cycle? Or would some real gear yield better results, be less harsh on the sides?

And if you still think hdrol is the way to go, would u add real test for the test base?

 

[csa2179]

Ok if i did find a trustworthy source for "real" gear, would you guys still recommend hdrol as a first cycle? Or would some real gear yield better results, be less harsh on the sides?

And if you still think hdrol is the way to go, would u add real test for the test base?

If u mean injectables. Then use u would get more out of 12 weeks of test e than u would out of hdrol for 6 weeks. Be easier to keep. Sides vary from user to user. I haven't looked at ur stats or any thing so I can't recommend what would be best for u

 

[who281]

23 yrs old
6'1" 230lbs
Training 7 yrs
Never taken anything before

 

[csa2179]

Bf%?

 

[who281]

Honestly no idea, if I had to guess ~15%

Arms,back,legs look lower. But chest and lower abs carry all the fat.

 

[who281]

Ok just going to start hdrol beginning of october.

Would a test base be beneficial tho? Not just for sides, but added gains? If so which would you recommend?

dermacrine lv, 4-ad, RS transaderm, or other? and why?

Thank you

 

[who281]

Could someone answer my last post ^^

And does anyone have any logs or know of anyone running orals that have truly kept gains?

Not noob gains, and not 1 week or a month after the cycle. I mean a real serious lifter who has pretty much maxed out their natural potential, gained xxlbs from cycle and kept xxlbs 3-6 months after cycle was completed.

Because i have proudly put on ~80lbs in the past 7 years naturally, I don't want to risk my health or go this route if i will just lose my gains 6 months after the cycle.

Almost every log i have read is some young kid or guy who has been lifting for 2 months.

 

[Stupes]

Could someone answer my last post ^^

And does anyone have any logs or know of anyone running orals that have truly kept gains?

Not noob gains, and not 1 week or a month after the cycle. I mean a real serious lifter who has pretty much maxed out their natural potential, gained xxlbs from cycle and kept xxlbs 3-6 months after cycle was completed.

Because i have proudly put on ~80lbs in the past 7 years naturally, I don't want to risk my health or go this route if i will just lose my gains 6 months after the cycle.

Almost every log i have read is some young kid or guy who has been lifting for 2 months.

Maybe high dose Hdrol will get you decent gains. Hard to say how you will hold them - but because you are consistent and experienced, maybe you will keep most of the gains. Tough to tell.

 

[who281]

Ah screw it, i guess it won't hurt ill just try it. If i lose everything ill try test next time. ha

But back to my original question,

"Would a test base be beneficial tho? Not just for sides, but added gains? If so which would you recommend?

dermacrine lv, 4-ad, RS transaderm, or other? and why?

Thank you"

Sorry for all these questions, i just want to make sure i have everything SET and ready beforehand.