Prohormone vs. Injectable

[jbryand101b]

Pro hormones are for the weak and uneducated. Man up and get some test and tren. Leave those fancy little boxes on the shelves at ***.

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[jbryand101b]

If you would have read my entire post you would have noticed I was comparing current Legal PH and DS to Injectable gear, I was NOT comparing injectable gear with oral STEROIDS like Tbol, Dbol, Anadrol etc.

you have no idea what you are talking about.

[jbryand101b]

Most aas (injectables, not orals) are better for the liver then phs. No first pass = no liver stress

beep, wrong, try again.

[jbryand101b]

OK MORONS, injectables can be less strong or stronger then oral steroids. These gay comparisons of cars and bikes are retarded, methylated masteron(SD) is way more anabolic than testosterone, but testosterone is more androgenic thean SD. They are all just different. If u want to run longer cycles, obviously use injectables because of liver stress from added methylation. BUt to say that all injectables are better then all oral steroids is just wrong and stupid

I wouldn't say test is more androgenic than superdrol. test aa ratio is 100/100 and sd is 400/20, but i'd have to look at what those ratio's were being compared to.

but for the most part, i agree.

[jbryand101b]

Wich oral is better then let's say injectable testosteron?

how about methyl testosterone.

[jbryand101b]

I didn't ask wich is more anabolic. There are more aspects then just how anabolic a substance is. Under all aspects not one single oral will reach injectable testosteron.

if testosterone was so good, there wouldn't be a book (vida's androgens & anabolic agents) with thousands of modified versions of testosterone, nor testosterone, dht, androstenedione/diol etc.

test was so good, chemist didn't need to mess with it to improve it's performance. oh wait, they did.

[jbryand101b]

If you would have read my entire post I was comparing today's legal Ph/DS with injectables. NOT ORAL Steroids which is Turinabol, Dianabol, Anadrol, etc. Of course these are very powerful Steroids.
And last time i cheched methyl (superdrol and all it's clones) is illegal now, I was giving this guy a little enlightening on the matter of what you are going to get with today's true LEGAL DS/PH a compared to injections..... This is what he asked for advice on

superdrol is not illegal.

even if it was you have compounds such as methyl 1-androstenediol, which can bind with and interact with the androgen receptor, and though it's not as potent or harmful as it's parent compound (which it has a possibility of some conversion too) methyl 1-testosterone (5a reduced methyl dianabol)

only real benifit of injectable steroids is the ability to inject massive amounts of androgens into your system..

and I do believe injectables to be a healthier way to get supraphysiological dosages of androgens into your system, im not so sure one how much safer it is though.

but methylated steroids such as di methyl nandrolone (cheque drops) methylated trenbolone, di methyl dht (superdrol) and even methyl boldenone (dianabol) have a big impact on ones health, most def in the short term, long term, that is a debate that could go on forever.

[foxpharma]

if testosterone was so good, there wouldn't be a book (vida's androgens & anabolic agents) with thousands of modified versions of testosterone, nor testosterone, dht, androstenedione/diol etc.

test was so good, chemist didn't need to mess with it to improve it's performance. oh wait, they did.

Poor argument. Chemist always looking for improvements its their ***** job. They work for companys who want to make profit. And they can make the most profit if they work in grey areas so everybody can buy it. How many stupid guys think oh its legal what can happen?

[foxpharma]

how about methyl testosterone.

So you would run a 6 week cycle of methyl testosteron, give your liver stress, gain your "solid muscles" (almost impossible in six weeks) and loose most of your gains no matter how good your pct is instead of a 15 week enanthat cycle wich is not liver toxic and make more solid gains because you got time to build muscles?

[jbryand101b]

Poor argument. Chemist always looking for improvements its their ***** job. They work for companys who want to make profit. And they can make the most profit if they work in grey areas so everybody can buy it. How many stupid guys think oh its legal what can happen?

then you need to read up on the history and development of testosterone.

too many stupid guys think, it's injectable, it's better.

[Husker89]

dude dont argue with jbry i already schooled you and he is going to rape u cuz his knowledge far excedes mine

Poor argument. Chemist always looking for improvements its their ***** job. They work for companys who want to make profit. And they can make the most profit if they work in grey areas so everybody can buy it. How many stupid guys think oh its legal what can happen?

[Husker89]

man ur changing the topic, first it is injectables are "stronger" which u still haven't defined than any oral. now it is injectables are more liver safe, Know it is which is stronger than test thats an oral(we both said mehtly test and cheque drop) now it is which is better for a 15 week cyccle for gains and liver values, like come on dude, just admuit u are an idiot and move on.

So you would run a 6 week cycle of methyl testosteron, give your liver stress, gain your "solid muscles" (almost impossible in six weeks) and loose most of your gains no matter how good your pct is instead of a 15 week enanthat cycle wich is not liver toxic and make more solid gains because you got time to build muscles?

[jbryand101b]

So you would run a 6 week cycle of methyl testosteron, give your liver stress, gain your "solid muscles" (almost impossible in six weeks) and loose most of your gains no matter how good your pct is instead of a 15 week enanthat cycle wich is not liver toxic and make more solid gains because you got time to build muscles?

you fail to realize how ester's work, or have an understanding of cycle length.

you can run a 6 week of methyl test at a dosage appropriate for 6 weeks.

you can run non methylated androgens longer, and if injected, get more into your system.

but if you were to make a cycle of methyl test, with dosages that will be equal to the potency of say, 500mg of test e, regardless, after 6-8 weeks, your cycle is over any more time, and you are just delaying the inevitable.

but mg for mg, methyl test is much more potent than test, so if you were to equate the dosages to be similar in potency mg for mg, you'd have a pretty low dose of methyl test. and prob feel great.
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[Husker89]

lol i was literally about to ask you dto get involved into this argument,thaks for jumping in

then you need to read up on the history and development of testosterone.

too many stupid guys think, it's injectable, it's better.

[jbryand101b]

lol i was literally about to ask you dto get involved into this argument,thaks for jumping in

well, i decided to ignore this thread when it first started seeing people start talking about cars, busses, guns an what not. but i decided to stop in an see what led to 2 pages.

[Husker89]

yo foxpharma, everyone here loves injectable test obviously, but you saying that it is (first it was ALL injectables now it is just test) better than any oral is just wrong. Take test e for 3 weeks and superdrol for 3 weeks and tell me how much stronger you got on sd than on test. They are both better and different things for different goals, but to say all injectables are "stronger" stilll undefined than all orals is just stupid and wrong.

you fail to realize how ester's work, or have an understanding of cycle length.

you can run a 6 week of methyl test at a dosage appropriate for 6 weeks.

you can run non methylated androgens longer, and if injected, get more into your system.

but if you were to make a cycle of methyl test, with dosages that will be equal to the potency of say, 500mg of test e, regardless, after 6-8 weeks, your cycle is over any more time, and you are just delaying the inevitable.

[Husker89]

my favoritve was orals are like pellet guns and injectables are like a 50 caliber rifle lol

well, i decided to ignore this thread when it first started seeing people start talking about cars, busses, guns an what not. but i decided to stop in an see what led to 2 pages.

[foxpharma]

then you need to read up on the history and development of testosterone.

too many stupid guys think, it's injectable, it's better.

Why?
Because butenandt and ruzicka isolate testosteron 1935 and make through synthesis methyl testosteron? What is your point bro? Germans invented testosteron aqeus suspension 1939. If someone say methyl testosteron is better then testosteron enanthat then this person is just stupid. Or sacred or needles.

[foxpharma]

yo foxpharma, everyone here loves injectable test obviously, but you saying that it is (first it was ALL injectables now it is just test) better than any oral is just wrong. Take test e for 3 weeks and superdrol for 3 weeks and tell me how much stronger you got on sd than on test. They are both better and different things for different goals, but to say all injectables are "stronger" stilll undefined than all orals is just stupid and wrong.

Lmfao you built an alliance against me? I don't say all injectables are better. You both don't get my point. I said in a post before, there are many ways to reach the goal. In long term injectable test is better.

[jbryand101b]

testosterone:
aa ratio: 100/100

half life: 4 hours

oral bioavailability: poor

methyl testosterone:

aa ratio: 115-150/94-130 (hey, it's better!)

half life: 6-8 hours (hey, this is better too!)

oral bioavailability: good (hey, better!)


injectable non esterfied versions of both? yes.

scared of needles, funny.

i wonder how often you inject test suspension for 6-8 week cycles. which, just like an oral, is all you want to run it. why? because there is no time to build up active steroid in the body by removal of the ester.

so, like an oral, it begins working immediately, and unfortunately most retards who dont read data, wont realize 6-8 weeks is as long as you can go on androgens.

can you choose to stay on? yes, but you are just delaying the post cycle crash, and if you stay on supraphysiological dosages, increasing you health risk.

test is great, no cycle should be without it. but the best is debatable. some might like boldenone better.

test was so great, they didn't need to modify it structurally to enhance/change the properties, via a 1-ene group, causing less aromatization, less androgenicity, and more anabolic effect, while also increasing the half life.

oh wait, they did do that, they made boldenone, because test does aromatize, and have negative androgenic effects.