Winstrol and Anavar

[arf]

Winstrol is a moderate, pure anabolic. Anavar is a moderate, pure androgen. If you were to stack these two along with responsible use, wouldn't this give you the same effect as what is commonly refered to as a conventional cycle, while lowering the risk of natural test shutdown?

(Forgive me if this is a reoccuring topic, I couldn't find this topic anywhere)

[size]

There will be no "lowering the risk of natural test shutdown"; HPTA suppression will occur.

[arf]

There will be no "lowering the risk of natural test shutdown"; HPTA suppression will occur.

Everything I'm reading says that both will not cause shutdown of natty test, why would the combination of them shut it down?

[size]

Everything I'm reading says that both will not cause shutdown of natty test, why would the combination of them shut it down?

Your readings are incorrect, anavar alone will cause HPTA suppression.

[arf]

HTPA won't shut down off of Winni though, will it?!

(I need to check my sources again, it sounds like)

[jminis]

HTPA won't shut down off of Winni though, will it?!

(I need to check my sources again, it sounds like)

Yes you do. All AAS will shut you down some just take longer then others.

[arf]

I'm not planning on running a long cycle... maybe 3 weeks. I want to reduce HTPA shutdown to a minimum. a short cycle with responsible use and pct wouldn't cause a significant HTPA shutdown, am I wrong?

[Jcc]

3 weeks can shut you down. Sorry.

[rrgg]

I think you're asking the wrong question. I think you really want to know if this combo will still result in the same level of shutdown you'd get from taking either product separately.

[arf]

I think you're asking the wrong question. I think you really want to know if this combo will still result in the same level of shutdown you'd get from taking either product separately.

Actually, yeah, I'm just heavily retarded.

[arf]

If anavar shuts you down, why does this piece read differently?

He's a reputable bro, too

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catanavar.htm

[bigpetefox]

There are studies of only 2.5mg anavar shutting you down.. Why even bother if you don't wanna get shut down, or only run it for 3 weeks? If your PCT and diet/training are together, shut-down isn't too big a deal..

[size]

If anavar shuts you down, why does this piece read differently?
He's a reputable bro, too
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catanavar.htm

Well, consider this. I know Big Cat and I also moderate at that board. Those profiles were written over 3 years ago and have some mistakes. In general, they are excellent profiles but a few errors are present. Anavar not suppressing hpta is one of them. It makes no sense why you want to continue to argue this point. I have posted clinical trials showing suppression from anavar.

[arf]

Well, consider this. I know Big Cat and I also moderate at that board.

If you are a Mod over there; why not provide corrected information and make note that these articles are faulty?

I have posted clinical trials showing suppression from anavar.

You have? Where?

[sage]

arf, i dont think the guy was blowing up on you. you know what i mean?
Sage

[jweave23]

I have seen this over and over again. Oral only cycles is one subject in itself, but as far as suppression is concerned: ANY AS compound will supress you at some point, to some degree. I have seen Size's posts, posts from other regarding anavar, posts regarding winny, etc.

My advice: do not look to "lessen" or "reduce" HPTA shutdown when considering AS cycles, look to how to properly manage it with PCT choices and such (Nolva, clomid, HCG, whatever).

[arf]

I'm tracking with you guys... I understand where you are coming from. My name is Kroms_laugh over at bb.com...

Here's my question:

If I recover from THIS will I be able to do AS or PH without permanently damaging my HTPA?

Don't read the whole thing, 90% of it is worthless... just ready my posts.

[Matthew D]

Personally I would not chance it till I knew for sure I had everything working correctly..

[KingMeso]

hmm, I didn't think Anavar was that high on the androgen side.

Either way, no matter what aas, always run your PCT.