First cycle

jamesm11

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5'10"
210
13-15%
23 yo

Goals: recomp and lean up a little

Won't start until at 10-12%

Test E 250x2 1-15
Winny 50 9-15
HCG 500 e5 days 3-17
Arimidex .25 EOD starting week 3/4
Cycle support

PCT: 2 weeks after last pin
Torem 90/90/60/30
Post cycle & unleashed combo

PP TRS stack weeks 21-24

Draw with 21g and inject with 23 or 25, depending on injection site. 1" needles.


Calories at 3000, 40/30/30 (p/f/c)

5 day split

Bi/Tri
Shoulders/abs/calves
Back/hamstrings
Chest/abs
Quads

Cardio 4-5x week. 30-45min stair climber @160bpm (monitor)


Diet and training are with Alex Azarian.

Winny was free with my purchased goods, so figured just run it low to harden up

Any recommendations or input welcomed.
 
jamesm11 said:
5'10"
210
13-15%
23 yo

Goals: recomp and lean up a little

Won't start until at 10-12%

Test E 250x2 1-15
Winny 50 9-15
HCG 500 e5 days 3-17
Arimidex .25 EOD starting week 3/4
Cycle support

PCT: 2 weeks after last pin
Torem 90/90/60/30
Post cycle & unleashed combo

PP TRS stack weeks 21-24

Draw with 21g and inject with 23 or 25, depending on injection site. 1" needles.

Calories at 3000, 40/30/30 (p/f/c)

5 day split

Bi/Tri
Shoulders/abs/calves
Back/hamstrings
Chest/abs
Quads

Cardio 4-5x week. 30-45min stair climber @160bpm (monitor)

Diet and training are with Alex Azarian.

Winny was free with my purchased goods, so figured just run it low to harden up

Any recommendations or input welcomed.
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Whaaaaaaaat? You've never cycled?! I did not know that.
 
Looks really solid man, seems you've done your proper research.

There's very little difference in recover with 10 weeks vs. 12 of Test-E, but at 15 weeks you always run higher risks of estro-related sides, as well as worries with the time you've been shut down. Make sure to stay faithful with your HCG injections, perhaps update frequency to 2x/wk for the last 3-4 weeks.

Only other suggestion I would give would be to consider a kicker at the start of the cycle. Test-e, for the majority of people, takes a good 5-6 weeks to really kick in, so utilizing a mild oral for the first 5-6 weeks is attractive to a lot of people cycling a longer-estered form of test. Of course, that isn't necessary; especially at 15 weeks, you'll have a good 9-10 weeks of solid gains just from test-e.
 
GreenEarth said:
Looks really solid man, seems you've done your proper research.

There's very little difference in recover with 10 weeks vs. 12 of Test-E, but at 15 weeks you always run higher risks of estro-related sides, as well as worries with the time you've been shut down. Make sure to stay faithful with your HCG injections, perhaps update frequency to 2x/wk for the last 3-4 weeks.

Only other suggestion I would give would be to consider a kicker at the start of the cycle. Test-e, for the majority of people, takes a good 5-6 weeks to really kick in, so utilizing a mild oral for the first 5-6 weeks is attractive to a lot of people cycling a longer-estered form of test. Of course, that isn't necessary; especially at 15 weeks, you'll have a good 9-10 weeks of solid gains just from test-e.
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500 x2 week? I can probably swing that.

I was thinking about using maybe hdrol or epi for my kickstart. I hate SD. Dbol and anadrol aren't for my goals. Anavar is too much $$$. Tbol is hard to find but I'm looking at that too
 
IMO, I would only use anavar towards the end of a cycle, to really wind up cut at the end. Would probably start it with 4 weeks left of test-e, then run it during the 2 weeks test-e was clearing my system before PCT (only has an 8-hour half life iirc). Would never recommend it as a kicker, it's nowhere near anabolic enough to be used for that function...you'd be done with it at week 5 or 6, and then instantly would bloat up from the test-e. So you just ran a very mildly anabolic compound to get ripped up (the primary reason people are willing to pay such a high price for it), and as soon as you stopped you're bloated as sh*t...a bit useless, haha.

If I can make a recommendation, I would go with epi. I'm in the middle of a 12-week test-e cycle, and I used epi for the first 5 weeks. Worked great...saw gains from week 2 through 5, you get great cuts from it during that time along with great strength and size gains, and right as I came off of it, guess what? Test-e was really kicking in. I used a new(er) epi clone called epi 2a3a...if you search it on google it'll come up on strong supplements, it seems like that's the only site that sells it. One bottle (120 caps at 10mg a piece) shakes out PERFECTLY for 5 weeks at 30/30/30/40/40 (would end up with one cap left lol). It's only $45 and a solid addition as a kicker, so I'd definitely consider it if I were you.
 
GreenEarth said:
IMO, I would only use anavar towards the end of a cycle, to really wind up cut at the end. Would probably start it with 4 weeks left of test-e, then run it during the 2 weeks test-e was clearing my system before PCT (only has an 8-hour half life iirc). Would never recommend it as a kicker, it's nowhere near anabolic enough to be used for that function...you'd be done with it at week 5 or 6, and then instantly would bloat up from the test-e. So you just ran a very mildly anabolic compound to get ripped up (the primary reason people are willing to pay such a high price for it), and as soon as you stopped you're bloated as sh*t...a bit useless, haha.

If I can make a recommendation, I would go with epi. I'm in the middle of a 12-week test-e cycle, and I used epi for the first 5 weeks. Worked great...saw gains from week 2 through 5, you get great cuts from it during that time along with great strength and size gains, and right as I came off of it, guess what? Test-e was really kicking in. I used a new(er) epi clone called epi 2a3a...if you search it on google it'll come up on strong supplements, it seems like that's the only site that sells it. One bottle (120 caps at 10mg a piece) shakes out PERFECTLY for 5 weeks at 30/30/30/40/40 (would end up with one cap left lol). It's only $45 and a solid addition as a kicker, so I'd definitely consider it if I were you.
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Thanks, was leaning towards epi. I've run hdrol 3x and epi 1x. Wanted to try it again
 
jamesm11 said:
Sarcasm?
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Nah man no sarcasm. Since you've been on this forum a while in assumed you had.

On another note, I thought you meant first cycle ever. I then read in your later posts that you did SD, Epi, and hdrol.
 
ReyMan said:
Nah man no sarcasm. Since you've been on this forum a while in assumed you had.

On another note, I thought you meant first cycle ever. I then read in your later posts that you did SD, Epi, and hdrol.
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Yeah I've run like 6 oral cycles. This is just first inject. Sick of lethargy, test should be a nice change
 
So script Arimidex will cost as much as my cycle, not worth it to me.

So new choices for an AI:
Forma-stanzol
Erase/Pro
Research chemicals Arimidex/aromasin
 
.25mg EOD starting in week 4? You must have a really crappy source for script Adex.


Regardless, out of your new option I would go with RC Adex.
 
Well the script box says 1mg. Is that 1mg per pill? The way he described it made it sound like its 1mg per blister pack
 
No no no. 1mg per pill. Each box (assuming this is legit script adex) has 14 pills, so it's a total of 14mg per box. In .25mg dosages, that gives you 56 doses. EOD would = 7 doses every 2 weeks, meaning that if you used it for 10 weeks you'd be looking at 8.75mg total used. 12 weeks would be 10.5mg. Well within a single box. Could use the rest towards PCT if you so desired.
 
So got everything and it will begin soon.

Test 500/week 1-16
Super DMZ 2.0 2 capsules 1-4
Winny 50/ed 10-16

Supports

UDCA 500/week while on dmz and winny
AI cycle support 1-16
HCG 500iu 8-18
Formasurge 100mg/day

PCT:
Clomid 100/50/50/50
PP TRS stack
DAA
Erase


So I'm looking at a recomp really. Want to add some good size while dropping some bf.

5'10
210
14-15%

Thinking of calories at 3500/day
40/30/30 macro of p/c/f

Anyone got advice on calories?
 
Isn't alex doing your diet? I would listen to him before listening to anyone else, after all you are paying him a good chunk of change for his knowledge. Id be curious what kind of diet he actually puts you on and how he tweaks your training.
 
ripped_one said:
Isn't alex doing your diet? I would listen to him before listening to anyone else, after all you are paying him a good chunk of change for his knowledge. Id be curious what kind of diet he actually puts you on and how he tweaks your training.
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True, just didn't know how he feels about advising people on gear
 
jamesm11 said:
So got everything and it will begin soon.

Test 500/week 1-16
Super DMZ 2.0 2 capsules 1-4
Winny 50/ed 10-16

Supports

UDCA 500/week while on dmz and winny
AI cycle support 1-16
HCG 500iu 8-18
Formasurge 100mg/day

PCT:
Clomid 100/50/50/50
PP TRS stack
DAA
Erase


So I'm looking at a recomp really. Want to add some good size while dropping some bf.

5'10
210
14-15%

Thinking of calories at 3500/day
40/30/30 macro of p/c/f

Anyone got advice on calories?
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cycle & pct look good.
 
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