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    AndroLean v3 is Here -- Powerful Anabolic, Belly Fat Destroyer






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    The 3rd generation of AndroLean is here -- AndroLean v3



    Building a lean, muscular physique is virtually impossible without sufficient androgen levels. AndroLean v3 delivers the strongest legal androgens found in the human body -- which pushes blood levels past the “androgen threshold” for leaner, denser muscles.



    Our first AndroLean v3 tester, Tomas P, lost 5% body fat and gained 6lbs of lean mass in only 8 weeks -- with nearly zero side-effects. See the progress pictures here -


    Tomas P. - AndroLean - download case report


    How is AndroLean so effective?


    Highly Dosed - Contains the highest dose of androgens found in any natural androgen product
    Highly Anabolic -Super 11-DHEA & Super 7-DHEA is highly anabolic and minimally androgenic for more muscle and less side effects.
    Highly Absorbable - Bypasses the liver and increases blood androgen levels for nearly 24hrs



    What are the active ingredients?



    The androgens in AndroLean include -


    Super-11-DHEA & Super-7-DHEA - These natural 'oxygenated' androgens inhibit 11b-HSD1 by attaching to the 11b-HSD1 enzyme, deactivating the conversion of cortisone into cortisol. These fat destroying androgens will fight stubborn belly fat while safely building quality muscle mass. (4-12)



    Together, these androgens mimic the power of true injectable testosterone without the androgenic side effects -- with a bioequivalence of 300mg/week injectable testosterone enanthate -- so you can make serious gains without breaking the law. (39-50)


    *From a baseline of 500ng/dl total androgen activity level.



    AndroLean = More Permanent Gains



    Results from AndroLean are generally higher quality compared to methylated oral steroids -- making the gains easier to maintain, and longer lasting.



    Methylated compounds such as superdrol, epistane, halodrol, dimethazine, etc., cause a rapid uptake of ionic fluid in the first 3-5 days leading to the rapid onset of muscular pumps, strength and weight gain. However, this fluid retention is rapidly lost after the cycle and gains are difficult to keep. (1)



    The best results from AndroLean are often seen after 3-4 weeks when the development of new myoblasts (muscle fibers) begin to take shape, and fat cells begin to shrink. (54-59) The development of muscle fibers and increased number of nuclei is a long-term benefit that is more easily maintained for many months or years. (54,55) Users of AndroLean report nearly 75% retention of gains, even 8 weeks after discontinuing their cycle. (39-50)


    Even extreme reduction in body fat is a long-term benefit that stays long after discontinuation of AndroLean with continued diet and exercise.




    The results from AndroLean are dramatic and noticeable when complemented with heavy lifting and a high protein diet.


    AndroLean will produce noticeable effects quickly.


    Effects after 1-2 weeks –


    • Tighter muscles
    • Increased endurance
    • Reduced bloat



    ... And then after 3-4 weeks –


    • 1-3lb lean mass increase
    • Increased muscle definition
    • Leaner mid-section



    AndroLean = Less Side-Effects


    AndroLean was painstakingly optimized to bring maximum results with minimal side-effects -- it’s unlike anything on the market.


    Side-effects from AndroLean are mild, temporary, and usually completely unnoticed by users. Some men may even notice improved general health while supplementing with AndroLean, since low androgen (testosterone) levels can lead to diabetes, obesity, heart disease, and depression. (60-62)








    AndroLean = Easy Recovery


    A rapid and complete recovery of natural testosterone production, ensures the maximum gain retention.


    Users of methylated orals and injectable steroids often struggle from a prolonged recovery, due to the highly suppressive nature of these types of steroids. (35-36) Recovery from these compounds can take months, or even years. (35-38) This makes it extremely difficult to maintain gains, sex-life, and mental health.


    AndroLean has one MAJOR advantage over the alternative -


    24hr Release - Mimics the body’s natural rhythm(LH & FSH secretion)
    The single daily dose of AndroLean rises and falls within a 24 hour period. This ensures levels fall back to “pre-dose” levels every 24 hours, allowing natural testosterone production to be stimulated. This prevents testicular shrinkage, shutdown and prolonged recovery. (63,64)




    Since AndroLean contains only androgens naturally produced by the body, they are easily metabolized and cleared from the body -- This allows users of AndroLean to fully recover in 30 days or less.



    AndroLean = Superior Delivery


    AndroLean utilizes the new Liqua-Vade 24HR Delivery technology -


    • Highly Bioavailable- Fat soluble androgens absorb up to 98% and bypass the liver
    • Highly Reliable - Maximum absorption is not dependant on food intake
    • Highly Convenient - Only ONE daily dose required for 24hr timed release of androgens




    We accomplished ultra-high bioavailability by utilizing fat soluble “fatty ester” hormones which are absorbed by the “fat uptake” (lymphatic) system, seen here -








    AndroLean = Cost Effective



    When priced against the nearest competition, AndroLean is at least 200-1000% more cost effective.



    In fact, we encourage you to compare for yourself. Plus, consider the things you DON’T need with AndroLean -


    • Liver, kidney, or blood pressure support
    • Little blue pills to keep "things working"
    • Harsh "research grade" PCT drugs
    • Needles & sterilization





    Primordial Performance = The #1 Source for Androgens



    Primordial Performance is the industry leader in natural androgen supplements for men. Since 2006 our mission has been clear -- maximize the male hormone environment without compromising health. Our products are backed by thousands of positive reviews, success stories, and detailed case reports.


    We take responsibility for our customers and take pride in the following -
    • Most Trusted - Established industry leader since 2006 with an “A” reliability rating by the BBB
    • Exceptional Quality - 100% purity & identity testing
    • Knowledgeable Staff - Hormone specialists available from 9-5pm PST (Email/Chat)
    • Industry Innovator - Nearly 100% of profits are reinvested into future R&D



    Order Now = Get Started Tomorrow



    It can be difficult or nearly impossible to make progress to your physique with low androgen levels. If you are tired of being stuck in a plateau, take action now -- and give your body what it needs to take your progress to the next level.



    Remember, AndroLean gives you -


    • Proven Safety - Extensive in-house blood data confirms exceptional safety profile (65)
    • Proven Effectiveness - Average 3lb lean mass, and 3% reduction in body fat in only 8 weeks
    • Proven Natural & Legal - Non-toxic naturally occurring androgens are found in the food supply




    If quality, safety, and effectiveness are important to you -- AndroLean is your #1 choice.



    Head over to primordialperformance.com and order AndroLean now




    Thank you for your support.


    Matt Porter
    Marketing Manager/Hormone & Nutrition Specialist





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    65. Based on comparison to "natural androgen" based supplements, including 4-DHEA, 1-DHEA, 11-DHEA, androsterone, and epiandrosterone products.

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    whats the actual dosage in it? and is pricing the same?
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    Niceee. Finally. Question Matt? Is it ok to take Androlean right after pct from another cycle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    Niceee. Finally. Question Matt? Is it ok to take Androlean right after pct from another cycle?
    I would say so -- as our tester had ZERO test/lh/fsh decline the day after cycle....it was very strange....I will see what his levels are 30 days AFTER cycle....

    Seems this 11KT is not suppressing to any major extent...

    -Matt
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    whats the actual dosage in it? and is pricing the same?
    200 11kt
    200 7oxo

    price is same as AHv3

    AL is spendy as hell! We must pay for the friggin conversion of 11oxo to 11KT as well....not cheap

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    Dam I would love to try al but I can't afford it any possible chance for a promo contest giveaway in the near future ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    200 11kt
    200 7oxo

    price is same as AHv3

    AL is spendy as hell! We must pay for the friggin conversion of 11oxo to 11KT as well....not cheap

    -Matt

    is it the same stuff that is in 7-spray and 11-spray? or are there differences?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter

    200 11kt
    200 7oxo

    price is same as AHv3

    AL is spendy as hell! We must pay for the friggin conversion of 11oxo to 11KT as well....not cheap

    -Matt
    I just added AL to my Test E and anavar cycle =)
    If anyone is interested in seeing how this stuff works with test check out the adonis complex.
    My muscles are pharmaceutically enhanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thatguy_603 View Post
    Dam I would love to try al but I can't afford it any possible chance for a promo contest giveaway in the near future ?
    Reps do have discount codes for AndroLean. Hit me up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technique88 View Post
    I just added AL to my Test E and anavar cycle =)
    If anyone is interested in seeing how this stuff works with test check out the adonis complex.
    Definitely will pop in to check it out

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    Its 11KT undecoanate ester and 7oxo acetate ester

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Its 11KT undecoanate ester and 7oxo acetate ester

    -Matt
    so is this similar to the Prototype sprays? or are they entirely different? just curious if this formula is better/stronger or "the same" or whatever....makes it easier to gauge what to expect if there is something to compare it too we are familiar with in combination...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    so is this similar to the Prototype sprays? or are they entirely different? just curious if this formula is better/stronger or "the same" or whatever....makes it easier to gauge what to expect if there is something to compare it too we are familiar with in combination...

    It is difficult to compare the topical to the esterified oral here..... I do not feel comfortable making that comparison yet....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    It is difficult to compare the topical to the esterified oral here..... I do not feel comfortable making that comparison yet....

    -Matt
    OK cool....I've used (and am currently using) the sprays....and I'll certainly used the ALv3 next time I cut (which is most of the time for me)....I'll find out how they compare eventually .....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    OK cool....I've used (and am currently using) the sprays....and I'll certainly used the ALv3 next time I cut (which is most of the time for me)....I'll find out how they compare eventually .....
    Would love to hear your comparison when you do.
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    200 mgs of 11 and 7 is that each cap or the full six caps ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gym4Life
    200 mgs of 11 and 7 is that each cap or the full six caps ??
    I believe 6 caps. That's what my bottle says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gym4Life View Post
    200 mgs of 11 and 7 is that each cap or the full six caps ??
    6 soft gel serving (recommended dose)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    6 soft gel serving (recommended dose)
    Is this new AL just taken once in the am only? Not spread apart say every 6 hours? I always like to take it Atleast before workout.
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    Once daily dosing

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    Is there any benefit of spacing the dose?
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    You'd get more constant levels Dosing twice daily or more....but you would lose the benefit of minimal suppression ....not sure on the half life though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    Once daily dosing
    Ok now does it have to be in the morning? Or could it be an hour before workout? Does it make a difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    You'd get more constant levels Dosing twice daily or more....but you would lose the benefit of minimal suppression ....not sure on the half life though?
    That's what I like to know. What's the half life, because of I take it in the morning in which I wake up at 4am and I don't hit the gym till 2pm. Not sure if it will be beneficial to take it so far from my workout. Ik the old AL it was dosed twice per day. As u said I'm sure the once per day will give less suppression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman

    That's what I like to know. What's the half life, because of I take it in the morning in which I wake up at 4am and I don't hit the gym till 2pm. Not sure if it will be beneficial to take it so far from my workout. Ik the old AL it was dosed twice per day. As u said I'm sure the once per day will give less suppression.
    Yeah im curious about the half life.....and for that matter if there is any real suppression from Dosing throughout the day? seems there is no real suppression from 7/11 once daily....but how about 2-3 doses?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Yeah im curious about the half life.....and for that matter if there is any real suppression from Dosing throughout the day? seems there is no real suppression from 7/11 once daily....but how about 2-3 doses?
    what would the positive reason be to dosing multiple times?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    what would the positive reason be to dosing multiple times?
    to keep a more constant level of the 7/11, IF the half life is 12 hours/less or whatever....if its "good for 24 hours"....then this would be a moot point, but nobody has come forward with a half life on this stuff (the ALv3 in particular but the sprays as well)....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    to keep a more constant level of the 7/11, IF the half life is 12 hours/less or whatever....if its "good for 24 hours"....then this would be a moot point, but nobody has come forward with a half life on this stuff (the ALv3 in particular but the sprays as well)....
    whats the point behind a constant level? You understand your testosterone level first thing in the morning is double what it is just before bedtime right? All your other hormones, growth hormone, cortisol, etc all run cyclicly with high and low points during the day. I'm not sure why people think its critical with steroids + prohormones that have short half lives to try and get a more constant level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    whats the point behind a constant level? You understand your testosterone level first thing in the morning is double what it is just before bedtime right? All your other hormones, growth hormone, cortisol, etc all run cyclicly with high and low points during the day. I'm not sure why people think its critical with steroids + prohormones that have short half lives to try and get a more constant level.
    I feel its better that way....constant = better. It would be dumb to take a PH or anything with a 3 or 4 or 6 or 12 hour half life once per day if you ask me. I understand the theory behind the entire line of AS products is to dose once per day to mimic "natural" rythym's in the body....and minimize suppression as well...but if you don't care about suppression? and you want constant levels as opposed to a rollercoaster?....that equals multiple doses....your natural test and other hormones are not the same thing as PH's and DS etc....therefore they shouldn't follow the same "rules"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    I feel its better that way....constant = better. It would be dumb to take a PH or anything with a 3 or 4 or 6 or 12 hour half life once per day if you ask me. I understand the theory behind the entire line of AS products is to dose once per day to mimic "natural" rythym's in the body....and minimize suppression as well...but if you don't care about suppression? and you want constant levels as opposed to a rollercoaster?....that equals multiple doses....your natural test and other hormones are not the same thing as PH's and DS etc....therefore they shouldn't follow the same "rules"...
    but where do your rules for the DS + PH come from? just imagination. Even with dianabol prescribed for people with muscle wasting disease, they don't bother with multiple times a day doses, its just once a day. Its ok for you to choose to dose that way, and probably not particularly harmful to results, but its not particularly beneficial either. I've just never understood why people think its better without any evidence. If i'm going to use 50mg of dbol and 100mg of anadrol a day, its all at once preworkout
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    but where do your rules for the DS + PH come from? just imagination. Even with dianabol prescribed for people with muscle wasting disease, they don't bother with multiple times a day doses, its just once a day. Its ok for you to choose to dose that way, and probably not particularly harmful to results, but its not particularly beneficial either. I've just never understood why people think its better without any evidence. If i'm going to use 50mg of dbol and 100mg of anadrol a day, its all at once preworkout
    as the saying goes "different strokes for different folks" .....but I do feel strongly that with short half life things such as you mentioned dbol/PH's its always best to dose as many times per day as you can. I know from experience with dbol, dosing that way works wonders....would dosing once per day in high dosage work just as well? perhaps, but I never tried that ...nor would I since I don't believe in that method. But if there are guys who use this method with similar results as multiple dosing? I suppose that would validate it....I just don't hear much about once a day dosing, other than with AS products of course, or things with 24 hour plus half lives....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    Would love to hear your comparison when you do.
    I'm having a hard time keeping on my diet while on the 7/11 sprays this time around....granted I'm "cheating" into the 2000-2400 range only....but its still more than the 1700-2K I intended on taking in. I think its the GDA/ALA and anabeta increasing my hunger....usually the PH/DS or whatever kills my appetite...the 7/11 seems neutral on the appetite, but the ancillary supps are killing me with this appetite increase...I need to clamp down dammit....stop buying whoopie pies, twinkies, doritos, gummy's, etc at the market like I did yesterday....out of sight out of mind ....they are SUPPOSED to be for once a week cheat half day...this might not be a good time to compare current cutting results to future cutters if I don't get my shyt together soon!....
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    for me its hard to believe that on androlean i would be able to lose large amounts of fat AND put on some lbs of LBM at the same time because

    -i have run 11-KT spray and its really nice for fat loss BUT during this run i wouldnt say that on a 400kcal deficit i have put on a single pound of LBM.
    -as 7-oxo isnt anabolic at all, where should these anabolic effects from the androlean come from then

    by the way wouldnt the cortisol levels be too suppressed by running 11 and 7 at the same time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uubiduu View Post
    for me its hard to believe that on androlean i would be able to lose large amounts of fat AND put on some lbs of LBM at the same time because

    -i have run 11-KT spray and its really nice for fat loss BUT during this run i wouldnt say that on a 400kcal deficit i have put on a single pound of LBM.
    -as 7-oxo isnt anabolic at all, where should these anabolic effects from the androlean come from then

    by the way wouldnt the cortisol levels be too suppressed by running 11 and 7 at the same time?
    For the last question, no. This is a commonly used stack already. Look at how many have used the 7/11 stack from PA.

    The anabolism comes from the 11, which is quite a bit more anabolic than most think. I very much think that someone who were to focus on a recomp style diet, something such as UD2.0, which features carb cycling, could very well see small gains in LBM while losing fat. Personally, it will be easier just to do it for fat loss and not worry about LBM, but it can be done.
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