M1,4AD - Your experience?
- 10-24-2004, 11:38 AM
M1,4AD - Your experience?
Hi everyone. I'm going to be doing a bulking cycle in a month or so. I'm *very* interested in trying M1,4AD because it's a precursor to Dianabol.
But... Dianabol is also notorious for causing water weight gain and gyno, and has a pretty bad reputation for producing temporary gains. I've searched through several threads, but haven't gained much insight about people's success using this compound. I don't see many comments that continue through PCT.
So - For those who've completed a cycle *and PCT*: How well does it work for bulking (strength and mass)? Are the gains temporary, or can they be kept? What did you stack with it, and why? Thanks for any replies
- 10-24-2004, 12:10 PM
It's pretty decent on its own but you need to dose it between 200 to 300mg/day. Obviousle it works better in a stack with something like 1 TEST or Tren. You have to expect some weight loss during PCT because of water loss. Overall, It is my favorite Methyl.
- 10-24-2004, 11:41 PM
I only used 60mg, but it works great stacked w/ 10mg M1T. It blunts the M1T sides better than most other combo options, including 4AD.
10-25-2004, 12:53 AM
I thought dbol was tough on the liver? If so, stacking m1t with m14 wouldnt be a very good idea...has anyone gotten bloodwork done for m14 yet?
10-25-2004, 12:56 AM
I believe that's because for a methyl, M1,4ADD is very low in hepatotoxicity, hence the 6 week ON cycles as opposed to M1T's 2 weeks and D-Bol's 4 weeks. But, I'd wait for somebody like Dr. D. to confirm that for you
EDIT: BTW, I'll be taking some soon stacked with SledgeTest and 1-Test. I've heard great things about it (mostly as part of a stack, not so much solo like with M1T or something), so I'm excited.
10-25-2004, 07:06 AM
Yes. Supersoldir had bloodwork done for Designer Supps. You might be able to find an article on it at DSs' website.Originally Posted by Enigma76
Bottom line, It was found to be reasonably mild.
10-25-2004, 08:00 PM
It may not be wise to combine them, but my instict is that the risk is justified. I feel so much better with the combo. I'm not recommending it, just saying that I generally have a good 'feel' for toxicity, but no numbers to quantitate in this case.
10-26-2004, 04:02 PM
I really don't have a problem with stacking methyls, in lighter doses anyway (puts on Nomex suit). My liver survived heavy drinking for 20 years, with nothing to show for it
What I haven't learned yet is how permanent any gains are - something I seem to have problems with... any input is welcome!
Last edited by IdahoSpud; 10-29-2004 at 10:21 AM.
10-26-2004, 05:20 PM
Generally, the "drier" the steroid the easier it is to keep the gains. There are so many variables to considder though when it comes to keeping gains. Two big ones are using propper PCT and keeping calories up for at least a couple weeks post cycle. I myself have made the mistake of trying to cut the fat gained on cycle too early and losing all my gains. Some lessons I have to learn the hard way.Originally Posted by IdahoSpud
10-26-2004, 08:53 PM
If I eat the same amount of calories pct my gains start to drop. I have to eat more pct. and thats pretty tough.
10-26-2004, 09:04 PM
10-26-2004, 09:11 PM
10-26-2004, 09:24 PM
But you have to take into account his liver values are scary on just M1T alone. LOL. I read that same thread.Originally Posted by g4ud1n
10-26-2004, 09:25 PM
It's obvious it was from the M1T , and if memory serves me right, he was not the only one to have bloodwork done.Originally Posted by g4ud1n
10-26-2004, 09:25 PM
i did a cycle of m1t weeks 1-2 and m14ad weeks 2-4. i know that is a short time but while i was on it i loved it. about a week in you will feel great and your appetite will sky rocket as well as your libido. even with the m1t, after my cycle was said and done, i did not even feel shut down! and the effects of the m14ad seemed to last for some time after i finished the cycle. pct consisted of nolva and then some clomid when i ran out of nolva. i kept every single pound but i also added some bodyfat cuz of all the food i ate while on the m14ad. i am ok with that though. i think 1 test trans with m14ad would be a good wat to go.
oh yeah and i gained 11 pounds
10-28-2004, 03:05 PM
10-28-2004, 03:25 PM
So you feel you were able to hang onto a good majority of the gains you attribute to M1,4?Originally Posted by Lean One
I too love this methyl but I have my doubts as to the longevity of the gains even with proper PCT and diet post cycle.
10-28-2004, 03:31 PM
In all honesty,when used alone it was tough to hold onto the gains. That's why It is best used in a stack or to jumpstart a cycle. That's when you can make the most of what it has to offer.Originally Posted by oldfart
10-28-2004, 03:37 PM
M1,4ADD vs 1,4 Andro
This question is not 100% in topic, but I'd like to know how M1,4ADD compares to 1,4 Andro.
10-28-2004, 03:47 PM
10-28-2004, 03:51 PM
I mean in term of effects. I know the methylation changes a compound entirely. I'm considering to stock up one of the two...Originally Posted by ryansm
10-28-2004, 03:58 PM
I believe there is some threads that answer this pretty clearly. They definitely convert to different steroids.Originally Posted by Syr
1,4 is more for lean bulks where M1,4 is better for true bulks.
Considering the necessary dosage and the price per dose, stocking on either of these 2 is easier said than done. Although custom just lowered their price for M1,4 powder by 2 bucks a gram.
10-28-2004, 04:05 PM
10-28-2004, 04:11 PM
does ANYBODY sell a 1,4 ESTERIFIED powder?
not a pre-made oral or some such, but an esterified powder for homebrewing?
10-28-2004, 04:16 PM
10-28-2004, 04:16 PM
Actually, its not that i made a mistake, i completely dont know M1,4ADD as compound, while i already liked 1,4Andro (and cant find it in europe grr)
tnx for all the replies
10-28-2004, 04:38 PM
m1t........ 10 mgs weeks 1-2Originally Posted by gsteclipse97
m14ad.... 80 mgs weeks 2-4
this was my most succesful cycle yet(in terms of keeping gains) but i won't stack m1t with any other methylated compound again.
10-28-2004, 05:18 PM
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