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    TestimGel (test gel) for test base???


    Currently pinning is not an option but I am planning a bulk in a few months with Mdrol. I handle Mdrol pretty well don't usually get any sides at all until week 4 and I never went past that and don't plan on it.
    My question is would test gel be worth using during cycle? I have a source and it's 50mg packets. If its worth trying what would be the right dose? Also how long should I use it and what week should I start?

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    Hm...I would go better for 4-AD PH for a "test" base , or andro series :/...if not , well dermacrine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza
    Hm...I would go better for 4-AD PH for a "test" base , or andro series :/...if not , well dermacrine?
    I mean 4-ad from advanced muscle science? I tried that in the past with not much luck.
    As far as Andro series I deff would like to try that but I can get a couple hundred tabs of Var for that money know what I mean.
    I've never heard of detmacrine though I'll have to look into that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrpersinality View Post
    I mean 4-ad from advanced muscle science? I tried that in the past with not much luck.
    As far as Andro series I deff would like to try that but I can get a couple hundred tabs of Var for that money know what I mean.
    I've never heard of detmacrine though I'll have to look into that.
    hm...I have seen people recommend Dermacrine , Stanozol and Forma-stanozol as a "test base" , this last 3 scape my knowledge as for WHY , but 4-ad should have worked , if not , well look into the andros for a test base
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    hm...I have seen people recommend Dermacrine , Stanozol and Forma-stanozol as a "test base" , this last 3 scape my knowledge as for WHY , but 4-ad should have worked , if not , well look into the andros for a test base
    Not my usual area. I have done a good amount of research but have no experience.

    StanoZol and forma are not test bases.

    People recommend stanozol for a DHT synergy to reduce sides from certain compounds (19nor, tren, ect)

    Forma is used similar and not as a test base. Rather an AI and it helps with prolactin related side effects.

    Test base OTC options
    Dhea
    Dermacrine
    4-ad
    I believe one of the andro series.
    OTC may not have been strong enough to relieve superdrol sides

    Sorry OP can't answer your question about the patches...
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    No doubt I appreciate all the input guys that's why I'm here. The testim is a gel though not a patch it's used in certain hrt but I dunno how great it is. I would imagine its gotta be better than OTC products but if OTC is what's been proven to work ill go with that ya know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MM11 View Post
    Not my usual area. I have done a good amount of research but have no experience.

    StanoZol and forma are not test bases.

    People recommend stanozol for a DHT synergy to reduce sides from certain compounds (19nor, tren, ect)

    Forma is used similar and not as a test base. Rather an AI and it helps with progesterone related side effects.

    Test base OTC options
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    4-ad
    I believe one of the andro series.
    OTC may not have been strong enough to relieve superdrol sides

    Sorry OP can't answer your question about the patches...
    Yeah same here I mainly mentioned them since some people seem to recommend them, but I DO thing 4-ad and dermacrine are solid, and it is either andro hard or andro mass that is the "test base" I am pretty sure it was andro hard but I won't put my money behind it lol. But yeah dermacrine and 4-ad , can't go wrong with those 2
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    I have used Dermacrine/Forma and Testogel 50mg sachets for test bases on cycle and I would recommend double dosing the test gel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zendog
    I have used Dermacrine/Forma and Testogel 50mg sachets for test bases on cycle and I would recommend double dosing the test gel.
    What dose do you recommend? I'm 6' 200lbs and about %15 body fat. 30 years old
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    I don't understand why OTC testosterone precursors are being recommended over pure transdermal testosterone?? Want a test base, use testosterone.

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    4-AD as a testbase??
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    I don't understand why OTC testosterone precursors are being recommended over pure transdermal testosterone?? Want a test base, use testosterone.

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    He did say he can NOT pin and he asked for alternatives so I guess that was out of the question too
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    RS transaderm fought off all shutdown/lethargy sides when I started cycling ph's. I was seriously nutting on my gf 3x ed on that stuff. Even applied some to my nuts too. It supposedly converts to DHT more readily when applied there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    Yeah same here I mainly mentioned them since some people seem to recommend them, but I DO thing 4-ad and dermacrine are solid, and it is either andro hard or andro mass that is the "test base" I am pretty sure it was andro hard but I won't put my money behind it lol. But yeah dermacrine and 4-ad , can't go wrong with those 2
    Androhard is another DHT based prohormone. Similar to The One but not methylated. Also not a test base.

    Your recommendations are used to help keep cycles dry and relive sides. Testosterone is not dry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celorza View Post
    He did say he can NOT pin and he asked for alternatives so I guess that was out of the question too
    You can get testosterone from a gel. It is prescribed by doctors for TRT and HRT. The skin has a limited amount it can absorb. I am under the impression you can not reach supraphsical amounts from the gel. As far as enough to relive sides from other hormones I do not know.

    Testosterone has a low enough molecular weight to pass through the skin, especially with pharmaceutical carriers. Again I am under the impression you can Not get to 500+mg a week using transdermal test though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather
    I don't understand why OTC testosterone precursors are being recommended over pure transdermal testosterone?? Want a test base, use testosterone.

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    This is really what I was thinking but like I said before I don't know how affective it really is. I've saw threads where people with low T had their test jump up like crazy and some not so much.
    Also now that I'm hearing to double the dosage im assuming that's double the packs Ed and that's gonna be pricey so I may just scrap the idea if it's gonna cost to much and just run what ive ran before. On the other hand if I can get a better cycle for a few more dollars it's worth it
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    Test is test my friend, I would absolutely go ahead and use it. Your obviously not you going to be able to run it at 500 mg a week plus like injections but why not run it at 300 mg a week, if
    you have not cycled test before trust me it will be extremely effective at that dose, not to mention you are stacking it with other oral compounds. In my humble opinion there's nothing wrong with the transdermal gel if dosed evenly across the week. I mean this with no disrespect to the other posters, they were just trying to help, but do not use 4-ad or any of that other crap, test is good. They may convert to dht but trust me test is king. Sorry for the rant and oh, I almost forgot, please don't rub it on your scrotum, that can't possibly be a good idea like some others have suggested.
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    Use the testogel. Dont worry about double dosing if you cant afford it.One pack will work fine. If you got the funds Transaderm/Forma would be good additions to the test gel.
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    Well looks like i just found some Test Prop 20mg sublingual tabs but havent really found any reviews at all on them. Im thinking this could be a better way to go if i can find any info on them. Anyone ever used them?
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    4-AD = 4-androstenedione which is a banned prohormone with one step only conversion to testosterone. 4 androstenediol is two step conversion which is also banned. 4-androstenedione was the best with a little risk to convert to estrogens.

    muscle science / PP = is prohormone 4-DHEA, like DHEA, requires a 2 step conversion process involving 3b-HSD and 17b-HSD to convert it to Androstenedione/androstenediol, and then testosterone. So total 4 steps!


    Test base = Restandol , gels and injectables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    I don't understand why OTC testosterone precursors are being recommended over pure transdermal testosterone?? Want a test base, use testosterone.

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    What about 20mg test prop sublingual tabs?
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    Injectable Testeterone is the best for bodybuilding results.
    Gels are effective usually only in TRT otherwise is waste of time. Gels also have bigger risk to convert to estrogens. Not popular in bodybuilding.
    Any kind of oral Testosterone has low bioavaibility and you need high doses with fat meals.
    If I wanted a test base, I would inject myself a low dose of testosterone just for test base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conte View Post
    Injectable Testeterone is the best for bodybuilding results.
    Gels are effective usually only in TRT otherwise is waste of time. Gels also have bigger risk to convert to estrogens. Not popular in bodybuilding.
    Any kind of oral Testosterone has low bioavaibility and you need high doses with fat meals.
    If I wanted a test base, I would inject myself a low dose of testosterone just for test base.
    This would be ideal, but if pinning is not an option, than transdermal is next. If you take testosterone even at normal TRT doses (ie normal healthy man levels), than thats all the base you need to remain feeling good even while on something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather

    This would be ideal, but if pinning is not an option, than transdermal is next. If you take testosterone even at normal TRT doses (ie normal healthy man levels), than thats all the base you need to remain feeling good even while on something else.
    Thank you Godfather but now I'm hearing that I could poison my 1 year old boy if I'm not careful with the gel.
    Also I have a source for Test Prop 20mg Sublingual tabs. I'm prob gonna go this way they are ip. I just need to figure out how much AI I need and dose it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrpersinality

    Thank you Godfather but now I'm hearing that I could poison my 1 year old boy if I'm not careful with the gel.
    Also I have a source for Test Prop 20mg Sublingual tabs. I'm prob gonna go this way they are ip. I just need to figure out how much AI I need and dose it right.
    Sounds good man. Good luck!

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    20mg of test prop isn't going to do shiit. even sublingual.

    maybe if you stuck it in your bung hole, then it'd almost all get absorbed, easily.

    transdermal gel will be fine, just apply it to areas others wont touch, unless you normally play with your kids naked, then you have other bigger things to worry about, like cps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conte View Post
    4-AD = 4-androstenedione which is a banned prohormone with one step only conversion to testosterone. 4 androstenediol is two step conversion which is also banned. 4-androstenedione was the best with a little risk to convert to estrogens.

    muscle science / PP = is prohormone 4-DHEA, like DHEA, requires a 2 step conversion process involving 3b-HSD and 17b-HSD to convert it to Androstenedione/androstenediol, and then testosterone. So total 4 steps!


    Test base = Restandol , gels and injectables.
    4-andro-dione and 4-andro-diol are both 1-step pre cursors to testosterone.

    the dione was released first, and poor conversion, and was easily aromatizable.

    the diol is incapable of aromatizing, and decent conversion.

    both are able to bind with the androgen receptor before converting, though the dont interact with it as much like testosterone or other 3-keto androgens do.

    4-dhea is a 2 step pro hormone to testosterone, needing to first convert into 4-androstenediol or 4-androstenedione, and then into testosterone.

    dione, and testosterone are both aromatizable pro hormones.

    testosterone is a pro hormone to dht.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b

    4-andro-dione and 4-andro-diol are both 1-step pre cursors to testosterone.

    the dione was released first, and poor conversion, and was easily aromatizable.

    the diol is incapable of aromatizing, and decent conversion.

    both are able to bind with the androgen receptor before converting, though the dont interact with it as much like testosterone or other 3-keto androgens do.

    4-dhea is a 2 step pro hormone to testosterone, needing to first convert into 4-androstenediol or 4-androstenedione, and then into testosterone.

    dione, and testosterone are both aromatizable pro hormones.

    testosterone is a pro hormone to dht.
    Hey mate if you didn't have a source for real test would you say pp andromass v3 and their new andro enhance which is 4ad and something else would be a good substitute as a testosterone base ??

    Or would something like hdrol just be better as I think that is like test ain't t ??? I know it's the ph to tbol but I read somewhere it increases test basically
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    Quote Originally Posted by zendog
    I have used Dermacrine/Forma and Testogel 50mg sachets for test bases on cycle and I would recommend double dosing the test gel.
    I have heard this too. I believe I read a thread on here months ago about using the test gel and it apparently was enough to shut you down but not provide results unless double dosed which can get pricey
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    Thanks jbry. I mixed up a little bit but now is almost clear to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    4-andro-dione and 4-andro-diol are both 1-step pre cursors to testosterone.

    the dione was released first, and poor conversion, and was easily aromatizable.

    the diol is incapable of aromatizing, and decent conversion.

    both are able to bind with the androgen receptor before converting, though the dont interact with it as much like testosterone or other 3-keto androgens do.

    4-dhea is a 2 step pro hormone to testosterone, needing to first convert into 4-androstenediol or 4-androstenedione, and then into testosterone. 2 step conversion process involving 3b-HSD and 17b-HSD to convert it to Androstenedione/androstenediol,+ and then testosterone? So total 3 steps till testosterone? Is there risk to convert to dione which means =poor conversion, and was easily aromatizable? Do you need AI with 4-dhea?

    dione, and testosterone are both aromatizable pro hormones.

    testosterone is a pro hormone to dht.
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    Quote Originally Posted by technique88 View Post
    I have heard this too. I believe I read a thread on here months ago about using the test gel and it apparently was enough to shut you down but not provide results unless double dosed which can get pricey
    I have heard very bad reviews for test gels too. I have heard there is higher conversion to estrogen because of the skin and sometimes no any increase to your testosterone if it is already high or in normal ranges. You need to apply every morning and keep it for at least 6 hours away from shower and you must be careful with any contact except if you use plaster.

    TESTIM GEL 1% BTx30 10.0 mg / 1.0 g 1 BOX * 30 TUBE * 5 G costs almost 50 €


    TESTOPATCH TTS PLASTER T-DERMAL 1.2MG/24H 1 BOX * 30 SUPSACK * 1 PLASTER * 48 H almost 60 €


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    dhea (w/e isomer) can either convert into (insert isomer) androstenedione, OR (insert isomer) androstenediol.

    19 nor androstenedione, & 4-androstenedione are both capable of aromatization, as well as nor test, & test also being able to aromatize into estrogen.

    needing an ai will depend on dosage used. if you are just using a base (and for ex, running test at 500mg e/w is not a base, it's another compound to add to the cycle, a base would be trt dosages, like 200mg e/w)

    if you are using supraphysiological dosages of w/e ph or test, and it has a chance of aromatization, you should have an ai on hand to help control estrogen.

    so it looks like this:

    dhea -> androstene dione/OR diol-> testosterone -> dht

    2 steps to convert, and 2 chances of aromatization into estrogen.

    but being you can get it converted into either dione or diol, this in a way, doubles your chances of conversion into test.

    any product with 4-dhea is a good test base.

    hdrol, superdrol, m1t, 1-dhea, stanodrol etc, these are not test bases. only thing that is a test base is test.

    topical dhea is okay in my opnion, but if i had a choice, i'd go with 4-dhea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conte

    I have heard very bad reviews for test gels too. I have heard there is higher conversion to estrogen because of the skin and sometimes no any increase to your testosterone if it is already high or in normal ranges. You need to apply every morning and keep it for at least 6 hours away from shower and you must be careful with any contact except if you use plaster.

    TESTIM GEL 1% BTx30 10.0 mg / 1.0 g 1 BOX * 30 TUBE * 5 G costs almost 50 EUR


    TESTOPATCH TTS PLASTER T-DERMAL 1.2MG/24H 1 BOX * 30 SUPSACK * 1 PLASTER * 48 H almost 60 EUR

    but not so popular solution in bodybuilding
    Transdermal Test gel is perfect or what it is designed for, to maintain normal to high normal levels of testosterone through replacement. This is the base you're looking for. You can run whatever else you want and always keep steady levels o test. If you want to bump it up to bodybuilding levels than gels are not what you want.

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    Would 11 oxo be enough to combat estrogen from the testogel?
  

  
 

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