Best on cycle Liver protectant??

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  1. Best on cycle Liver protectant??


    I am gonna be starting a Test/Dbol cycle soon and was wondering why everyone thought about Liver protectant. Should I use a specific one or is Milk thistle just as good for less money?


  2. on cycle by CEL is pretty good.
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  3. Liv 52 for sure, cheap and highly effective.

  4. Best place to get Liv52? Thanks guys.

  5. Everywhere, google it!

  6. Yeah. Just figured I would get a suggestion and did in PM.

  7. you can always supplemet it with MT, its so damn cheap it wont hurt your wallet, buy it in bulk take it by the teaspoon!
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  8. UDCA and PPC (Hepatopro).

    /thread
    RTR.

  9. Milk thistle is garbage for liver protection.

    TUDCA, UDCA, SAMe > basically everything else.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Milk thistle is garbage for liver protection.

    TUDCA, UDCA, SAMe > basically everything else.

    Are any of these otc?

  11. Yes, sorta.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Turbo4V View Post
    Yes, sorta.
    Perfect, cuz my whole life exists in the "sorta" grey areas! lol

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Turbo4V View Post
    Yes, sorta.
    Would the product HepatoPro be something like this?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by socal View Post
    Would the product HepatoPro be something like this?
    Hepatopro (PPC) is OTC, and is made by Life Extension. Just picked some up on Amazon.

    UDCA can be found on research chem sites.
    RTR.

  15. Every product advertised as a "Liver aide/protectant/support" contains Milk Thistle. Just saying

    Edit: NEARLY every product. Better?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by BlackGT99 View Post
    Every product advertised as a "Liver aide/protectant/support" contains Milk Thistle. Just saying
    Not Hepatopro nor Aegis.
    RTR.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring

    Not Hepatopro nor Aegis.
    Minus those two

  18. I like liv52
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Milk thistle is garbage for liver protection.

    TUDCA, UDCA, SAMe > basically everything else.
    This. Although milk thistle may have its purpose for general over health taken daily, it is near useless for combating negative effects of methylated steroids/PHs.


    TUDCA and UCDA have peer reviewed studies that support their effectiveness.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by howwedo107 View Post
    I like liv52
    I'd like to like it, but I'm just not convinced. Despite all the studies they post on their site, I've seen additional studies that show zero effect. There is also some kind of discrepancy between the "orange tops" and "green tops"... the latter coming from India, and supposedly being the "legit" variation. I can't remember all the details, but it seemed very suspect to me. I just can't trust my liver health to some $5 product that sounds way too good to be true. My $0.02.

    If you have additional info, I'd sure be open to reading it though. I'd love to get great protection for that price. For now, it's UDCA and PPC for me.
    RTR.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Hepatopro (PPC) is OTC, and is made by Life Extension. Just picked some up on Amazon.

    UDCA can be found on research chem sites.
    Silly me for asking dumb questions before looking into that cabinet that has all the ingredients for my lab-rat experiments...

  22. when i asked this question n2guard was recommended by a few guys....now noone is saying to use that product....am i taking the wrong ****?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by morris14 View Post
    when i asked this question n2guard was recommended by a few guys....now noone is saying to use that product....am i taking the wrong ****?
    Looks like a really expensive B-vitamin with relatively low doses of herbal diuretics and a "proprietary blend" (ughh) containing NAC, milk thistle, and regular phosphatidylcholine (not PPC)... in a 7-capsule serving.

    Nothing wrong with it... but you'd be better off buying NAC and PPC separately and adding them to your multi, imo.

    Btw, why is vitamin C listed twice... at 50mg and 250mg? And vitamin E isn't listed under "RDA of vitamins..."? Strange label.

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    RTR.

  24. N2gaurd did nothing for me. I made that mistake and now I use UDCA. I also have a combo of herbs that I think help too.
    Christopher
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  25. We all make mistakes, then we learn from them and disregard all the nonsense products and simply use TUDCA or UDCA.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam
    We all make mistakes, then we learn from them and disregard all the nonsense products and simply use TUDCA or UDCA.
    How many times have you used these products? (TUDCA/UDCA) they've been around since the 50's but just now (appx 1-2 months) seeing ppl on the forums boasting about their protective qualities

  27. Quote Originally Posted by BlackGT99 View Post
    How many times have you used these products? (TUDCA/UDCA) they've been around since the 50's but just now (appx 1-2 months) seeing ppl on the forums boasting about their protective qualities

    I use TUDCA any time i stack oral steroids. I've never used UDCA. I am highly familiar with the clinical backing though.

    Yes these things have been around for a while, but they are coming back in to light as people like myself try to get the word out. Big Pharma is continually trying to keep TUDCA/UDCA off the market and it's a battle to find sources. I consider TUDCA/UDCA to be one of the main reasons that some bodybuilders (from 70s-80s) are still in decent health to this day.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam

    I use TUDCA any time i stack oral steroids. I've never used UDCA. I am highly familiar with the clinical backing though.

    Yes these things have been around for a while, but they are coming back in to light as people like myself try to get the word out. Big Pharma is continually trying to keep TUDCA/UDCA off the market and it's a battle to find sources. I consider TUDCA/UDCA to be one of the main reasons that some bodybuilders (from 70s-80s) are still in decent health to this day.
    As always they try and ban the Good stuff... I'm thinking I need to find a source and certainly put TUDCA through its paces. I'm glad you're familiar with the clinical studies so that you can educate us

  29. Quote Originally Posted by morris14
    when i asked this question n2guard was recommended by a few guys....now noone is saying to use that product....am i taking the wrong ****?
    Did you by chance ask this over at elite? They push all sorts of n2 products...

  30. Big fan of Champion Nutrition Liver Cleanse over here...

  31. Quote Originally Posted by Senka View Post
    Big fan of Champion Nutrition Liver Cleanse over here...
    About as weak as it gets. The milk thistle isn't even standardized for silymarin... and it's part of a proprietary blend.
    RTR.

  32. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    About as weak as it gets. The milk thistle isn't even standardized for silymarin... and it's part of a proprietary blend.
    Thanks for pointing that out... I'll check out some of the other ones mentioned in this thread... What's your favorite?

  33. Quote Originally Posted by Senka View Post
    Thanks for pointing that out... I'll check out some of the other ones mentioned in this thread... What's your favorite?
    Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    UDCA and PPC (Hepatopro).
    ...and I would add NAC to that as well.
    RTR.

  34. NAC is decent for overall health, but compared to the toxicity of oral steroids... doesn't help as much as people want to think.

  35. Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    NAC is decent for overall health, but compared to the toxicity of oral steroids... doesn't help as much as people want to think.
    Which is why I used the word add in reference to UDCA/PPC. Pretty sure 17-aa steroids decrease glutathione, so NAC would probably help out there. Either way, I use it intermittently year-round, mostly because it helps dramatically with OCD symptoms.
    RTR.

  36. Quote Originally Posted by rubberring View Post
    Which is why I used the word add in reference to UDCA/PPC. Pretty sure 17-aa steroids decrease glutathione, so NAC would probably help out there. Either way, I use it intermittently year-round, mostly because it helps dramatically with OCD symptoms.
    Ya i wasn't trying to correct you, just tossing my 2 cents out there. NAC is great year round, and i do stack it with TUDCA for the additional benefits.

  37. Still hunting for this TUDCA.

  38. Quote Originally Posted by Turbo4V View Post
    Still hunting for this TUDCA.
    Antaeus Lab's Aegis. Or in bulk. But in bulk it's like $2000 a kilo or something.

  39. Quote Originally Posted by Turbo4V View Post
    Still hunting for this TUDCA.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhadam View Post
    Antaeus Lab's Aegis. Or in bulk. But in bulk it's like $2000 a kilo or something.
    The IRONy here is that 30 grams of ursodeoxycholic acid (UDCA) can be found at a particular research chemical site. So quit DRAGON your feet and pick some up.
    RTR.
  

  
 

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