please review cylce. thank you
- 10-18-2004, 05:11 PM
please review cylce. thank you
Hey guys! Nice forum, ill be defenitely sticking around!
how is this for a first cycle?
is hcg really neccessary? also what gauge needle should i use? any insight is really appreciated!
- 10-18-2004, 05:52 PM
no real need to taper down the deca at the end. your body will do that for you. you may want to frontload the first week with 400 -600 deca.
same goes for the dbol. start at 25mg spread through the day and hold steady for 5 weeks. no need to taper up/down, the half life is too short. no experience with hcg myself but im sure someone else will give you some help with that.
deca/dbol was my first cycle too and i loved it.
10-18-2004, 05:55 PM
If it's your first cycle ever, it's good that you're keeping your doses low/moderate and should see decent gains as long as you eat enough. One thing though- I don't see any point in tapering the dbol(as blackjack said). keep it consistant throughout. as far as pins, I use 25 guage 1" for delts,thighs and 23 guage 1.5" for glutes. As far as your pct, I haven't used hcg so I can't help you there. But keep eating right and training just as hard after your cycle and it will help you keep your gains greatly as well.
10-18-2004, 06:10 PM
10-18-2004, 06:28 PM
10-18-2004, 06:41 PM
thanks guys ill make the neccessary corrections...one more thing should i take deca all at once or is it a good idea to take at least two injections a week?
10-18-2004, 06:43 PM
10-18-2004, 06:45 PM
I dont really like that cycle...seems like a low dose of deca and there isnt any test any...test should be the base of every cycle. It is also very short for a deconate ester.
Here is how i would run it.
1-4/6 25 mgs of d-bol
1-12 400 mgs of deca
1-12 500 mgs of test Enanthate..
That would be a beautiful first cycle. Or even not a first a great cycle all around with your bread and butter.
10-18-2004, 06:58 PM
I disagree that test should be the base of any cycle, but i think a first timer should use test as a base, just to see how their body reacts, and to prevent possible "deca dick." There are many people i know that can run deca alone without problems, but i would not risk it the first time around.
Also theres no reason to taper the dosages.
I use 25g 1in pins for quads and delts, and 25g 1.5in for glutes.
10-18-2004, 09:41 PM
I agree with adding test but there is no reason to use 400mgs deca on your first cycle when you can get results from less.
10-18-2004, 10:01 PM
I agree i think the cycle looks good. Diet and training are more important parts of the equation anywaysOriginally Posted by jarhead
10-18-2004, 10:14 PM
i have a hard time understanding this concept - theoretically wouldnt adding test supress you natural test even more?
10-18-2004, 10:18 PM
no offense man and this is not a flame but you should probably do a lot more research before you start using AAS
10-18-2004, 10:58 PM
no prob...you are right i have a lot of reading to do and i am in no rush. Though you should know i asked the question because i read a few people say it on another forumOriginally Posted by glenihan
10-18-2004, 11:13 PM
It's not a matter of shutting it down more. If your shut down, your shut down. Some drugs will do it quicker and /or longer, but when the switch is off, that's it. One reason to add test is that deca will shut down your dong and sex life. Test will offset that to say the least. But at a low dose of deca and with added dbol, it might not be as pronounced in your case. The bottom line is you don't want to add drugs just to add drugs. Try and find out why your using what your using and why certain things work together before you start and you'll be better off in the long run. There is absolutely no need to take a gram of drugs a week on your first cycle. good luck.
10-18-2004, 11:45 PM
10-18-2004, 11:58 PM
IMHO i would just use 500mg of test cyp or test enan for 10-12 weeks for your first cycle maybe the dbol for the first 4 weeks i think it will be a more positive experience rather than the possible bad sides of deca
like i said though just my opinion
10-19-2004, 01:34 AM
HPTA is going to be suppressed since you are adding exogenous hormones to your system.Originally Posted by keon
The cycle outlined in your initial post is a poor choice; do not do it. Gaining knowledge on how much, why, and when to use particular substances will allow you to understand why it is a poor cycle.
My suggestion is to read more about AAS. In doing so, you will ultimately be able to construct a safe and effective cycle.
10-19-2004, 05:41 AM
The concept of that cycle isn't bad but the way they constucted it is just plain bad. a working cycle of deca/dbol looks more like this (this really isn't a biginers cycle anyway as that is a long time to run dbol)
1.8grams deca the first week
600mg deca a week weeks 2 to 6
50mg dbol ed weeks 2 to 8
10mg nolvadex ed weeks 1 to 8
250iu HCG twice a week for weeks 1 to 6. 4 times a week weeks 7 and 8.
.25mg ldex ed weeks 1 to 8
PCT week 9 with 40mg nolvadex ed for 2 weeks then 20mg for another 2 weeks.
10-19-2004, 03:06 PM
Personally I think you should run 500mg test as your first cycle.
Next cycle you can add either d-bol or equipoise to that.
But to see how you react to a substance you should take it alone or with another that you have used before and know well.
just my 2cc's
10-19-2004, 03:42 PM
10-19-2004, 04:44 PM
I second this, ran it for my first cycle and it's easy to run as well as effective. I say easy to run because you can take just two injects/week and mix the deca and test in one syringe meaning you can run the whole cycle only injecting in glutes which is also the easiest place to inject, as long as you can reach without getting a cramp.Originally Posted by dickwootton
10-19-2004, 09:13 PM
Should I frontload with deca the first week at then lower the dose to 200? JARHEAD said that there is not much point in running a higher dose if you can get more then decent results from less. Would you guys recommend HCG? from what i hear deca shuts you down quick so i dont see a reason not to take it post cycle.
1-4 25 mgs of dbol
1-2 400 mgs of deca
3-12 200 mgs of deca
1-12 500 mgs of test enanthate
12-14 5000iu HCG
10-19-2004, 09:20 PM
In my opinion, being that it's your first cycle 200mgs will produce gains with the other things you're taking. If you start at 400 mgs/week, where do you increase it to in the future? 1.8 grams of deca for the first week as suggested earlier is ridiculus. As is 50mg/day of dbol for a first time user. Especially considering EXPERIENCED users generally don't go over 600-800mgs/week of deca and 50mgs/day dbol.. As far as frontloading, if you go with a lower dose and are taking the dbol, maybe you could go with 400mg the first week than drop to 200 but I don't think it will make a huge difference. You'll still get a quick boost from the dbol. even the suggestion to just run test for your first cycle isn't a bad idea. The longer you stay with lowers dosages while you can still make gains will make you better off in the long run. It will also help you to keep from jacking yourself up with side effects while you're still learning how your body reacts to gear.
10-20-2004, 04:22 AM
I'm not sure were you learned your math from but If your wanting 600mg a week 1.8 grams the first week only give you about 80% of that. Try a caculator. If you want to run a short cycle of a long ester your only real option it to front load it as it otherwise takes weeks to kick in. Dbol/deca cycle is just that, you don't want to run the dbol for very long andOriginally Posted by jarhead
You might have also noticed that I did mention that it was not a biginers cycle anyway, It was a how to, not a sugestion.
as for running 200mg of deca, well I hope that works as that really isn't enough for most people. even with test. Running it as a cycle base at that level just isn't going do much to make running a cycle worthwhile unless hes very receptive.
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