Solo Epi or hdrol? Solo or stacked with Stano?
- 06-12-2012, 07:39 PM
Solo Epi or hdrol? Solo or stacked with Stano?
I'm trying to decide what to run as my next cycle. I've ran two hdrol cycles in the past and have been happy with both. The strength gains with hdrol are amazing. Does epi respond in the same way as hdrol when it comes to strength/weight gain?
Also curious about stacking to take it to the next level. I've never tried epi nor have I stacked before so I'm looking for advice/experience. Thanks guys.
24/5'9"/152/7%/lifting 4+ years
- 06-12-2012, 11:00 PM
How have you run two hdrols and only managed to be at 152??
- 06-12-2012, 11:17 PM
Originally Posted by pballer
06-12-2012, 11:45 PM
Lol eat more I'm running Epi solo right now on day 16 and I'm up 7 lbs.
06-13-2012, 12:01 AM
7% bf is pretty solid though, looks like youve got cutting down solid
edit. im also on epi and about 18 days in and up 5-6lbs, possibly a little leaner too. i like epi waay better than hdrol so far
06-13-2012, 01:34 AM
You should run like 3 consecutive cycles of foodabol with trainabol..should work wonders
06-13-2012, 01:52 AM
i just started epi solo for 6 weeks, todays day 2. only thing im worried about is blood pressure cause im still trying to use jack3d, but i think the stim contents gonna **** me up. ex: earlier aftr my workout i started getting bad gooseflesh and started sweating constantly for about three hours. i think it could be all the vitamins and supps im taking, maybe the nacin doing it, but whatever it is it reaaaaaly blows baby weewee.
06-13-2012, 05:28 AM
Haha, love it!Originally Posted by Tc5433
My first cycle I was up to 160 and then went through a bad break up and dropped weight from lack of gym time and not eating the same.
Second cycle went well but sprained my wrist week 2 of pct. I also didn't have my diet down right in the past. I was always too worried about not staying lean. I average 3500+ cals a day now and have been for over 6 months now but not gaining much at all. I've upped to around 4k and still manage to stay pretty lean. One mistake I made was to keep training heavy like I was while on cycle. I think I ended up preventing my body from keeping much of the gains by over training. I probably should have done a week or two of a deloading phase.
I'd like to give epi a try but heard its killer on the joints. I think I need to revamp my pct as well to better maintain gains. I was doing Nolva 20/20/10/10, reversitol week 2-4, All the normal staples, natty test boost week1-4.
I think for my next cycle pct I want to run
And as TC5433 put it beat... A heavy dose of "Foodibol"
06-13-2012, 08:45 AM
Why would you even need a preworkout. There first couples days are rough but after that there is no preworkout that can give you the "on" feeling. I can go through my whole workout without crashing or anything just and awesome flow of aggression and energy from Epi!
06-13-2012, 09:45 AM
What version of epi are you using? I've heard IBE, LGI, Havoc are all pretty decent
06-13-2012, 10:02 AM
I've got havoc!Originally Posted by Ths
06-13-2012, 11:19 AM
What are you using for pct. I can't decide between just using the nolva or getting some clomid. What does your dosing for Havoc look like?
06-13-2012, 12:02 PM
06-13-2012, 12:39 PM
06-13-2012, 12:44 PM
you can for sure bulk on epi while losing bodyfat. read tonys log, im also up 5-6lbs and down a little fatOriginally Posted by Tc5433
06-13-2012, 01:00 PM
06-13-2012, 01:13 PM
Clean bulk and dry hard mass gain sound like same thing to me. How long did you run dmz
06-13-2012, 01:44 PM
As far as PH raising bp, from my experience this is very over stated! On my last epi/trenazone cycle I took pre workout throughout cycle and had my wife who's a nurse check bp twice a week. I like using pre workouts mostly cause I usually have to hit the gym right after a long day of work and my job is some what pyshical. I'm 29 and usually bp gets worse with age, mine was excellent throughout entire cycle. As far as bulking and cutting goes either one can be done with any PH depending on diet and training. But would agree that DMZ is better suited for lean bulk than epi. Size and strength should be more noticeable with DMZ. Although on my epi cycle I was 175 and bench went up to 405 so epi def gives u that strength.
06-13-2012, 01:58 PM
DMZ looks tempting but i'm trying to make the smartest decision. I've ran two hdrol cycles and loved them. Strength and that 'on" feeling is great. I didn't get the weight gain that I wanted on my second cycle but that was mostly due to not eating enough to support the gain. I am considering running a 6 week epi cycle as my next step and then maybe going a step further after that and trying something like DMZ or regualr sdrol. I just don't want to rush into anything too hardcore until my body is ready. My goal is to add 10 pounds and build a more solid frame so that when it comes time for super, i'm ready.
06-13-2012, 02:18 PM
And as a general rule of thumb, would I expect more gains from a 6 week epi cycle or a 6 week hdrol cycle? Epi run @ 30/40/40/40/40/40-50 or hdrol @ 50/75/75/75/75/100? Diet consisting of 3500-4000 cal/day. Carb cycling some, but most likely a higher protein mid carb type diet. Extremely clean. That's what i'm currently doing for diet.
06-13-2012, 03:48 PM
06-13-2012, 03:56 PM
06-13-2012, 03:57 PM
06-13-2012, 04:16 PM
Thanks for all the info man. I'm probably going to give epi a try. It is summer after all and the shirt is going to be off quit a bit. I'm hoping for close to 10 lbs from a 5-6 week cycle of epi. im considering stacking but have no clue with what
06-13-2012, 04:18 PM
Epi+katanaOriginally Posted by Ths
06-13-2012, 04:31 PM
katana is expensive as hell
06-13-2012, 05:04 PM
I also just looked into epi/trenezone stack which seems to be really popular. Would it be necessary to run an AI throughout the cycle or just post cycle? Any route I take, this is what I have lined up for PCT;
Nolva: 20/20/10/10 (10mg am, 10mg pm)
DAA: 3/3/3/3/3 (Am with breakfast)
Erase: 2/3/3/2/1 (spaced through day based on number of caps)
L-Dopa(Mucuna):2 caps/day (am,pm)
Creatine: 15/15/10/10 (half with breakfast am, rest with post workout)
Multi: As directed
MRM smart blend(EFA's): 2 with each meal
B-complex: with each meal
Would B complex be too much B6 while on cycle? Is this cycle to harsh or a fairly average cycle? Thanks for all the info guys. I just feel that my body is used to the effects of Hdrol after two stand alone cycles and I don't want to waste another cycle period. Maybe even hdol/trenazone?
06-13-2012, 05:21 PM
06-13-2012, 08:17 PM
I agree, run Epi solo! Give it a shot, it is impressing me right now. So little sides and my strength and size are up like crazy and I'm not even 3 weeks in!Originally Posted by Tc5433
06-13-2012, 08:43 PM
06-13-2012, 09:25 PM
Im running RPN Havoc.Originally Posted by Tc5433
06-14-2012, 11:17 AM
06-14-2012, 12:09 PM
I would start at 30. 20 is a waste imo. I'm doing 30/40/40/40/50/50.Originally Posted by Ths
06-14-2012, 12:52 PM
Sounds like a plan.
Does my PCT look to be in check? I'm keeping the nolva and erase as my serm and AI. I'm not sure which route to take for a test booster. Either stick with the DAA or something like Isa Test-GH. Also, should I throw in something for cort control?
06-14-2012, 12:54 PM
Reduce xt for cortisolOriginally Posted by Ths
06-14-2012, 01:07 PM
Is cort control necessary or would I be fine with the Nolv, cycle assist, Erase, and a test booster? In your opinion, whats your favorite test booster used for pct. I've used DAA and could tell a difference. I can see how running it with an AI would be much more beneficial as I just ran it solo.
06-14-2012, 01:39 PM
Oh my bad, Erase will take care of cortisol too. DAA is so cheap and effective u can't pass it up.Originally Posted by Ths
06-14-2012, 01:49 PM
That's what I was thinking. I've been reading lately on some possible problems with DAA. Have you heard/ready any good studies on this? or would another T booster be a better option. I can tell the DAA worked last time because my libido was up a little and I put on some water weight wich was most likely from the increase in test with out taking an AI
06-14-2012, 01:50 PM
I'm also going to hop back on some bcaas. Should I save them for pct or run straight through
06-14-2012, 01:52 PM
It doesn't matter.Originally Posted by Ths
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