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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Epi and dienolone are both more potent compounds than hd, dding hd isn't going to add anything more except more chance of negative sides.
    But do w/e, some people like to learn by thier own experiences. I get this, I'm the same way.
    you really don't think it will add any strange weight or size?

    Ces I've seen a difference in size between people that run epi/tren and epitest(10mg epi/20Mg H) and tren.

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    What dose are u running the epi at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tnubs View Post
    What dose are u running the epi at?
    I want to start at 30 and work my way up to 60 depending how I feel from day to day.

    And the tren the same start at 1Mg and work my way to 1.5 maybe 2
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    that's why I'm planning just for those 2 if I add something else in it may decrease a bit
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b
    Epi and dienolone are both more potent compounds than hd, dding hd isn't going to add anything more except more chance of negative sides.
    But do w/e, some people like to learn by thier own experiences. I get this, I'm the same way.
    This^^^

    Adding hd might provide u an extra pound or 2, but with more sides its not even worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    This^^^

    Adding hd might provide u an extra pound or 2, but with more sides its not even worth it.
    understandable my man. I'm probably going to go with furuza-a.

    it's a little pricey to run but I've heard great things about it and it's non-methyl. I think the combination would cut me up really nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    This^^^

    Adding hd might provide u an extra pound or 2, but with more sides its not even worth it.
    understandable my man. I'm probably going to go with furuza-a.

    it's a little pricey to run but I've heard great things about it and it's non-methyl. I think the combination would cut me up really nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymfean

    understandable my man. I'm probably going to go with furuza-a.

    it's a little pricey to run but I've heard great things about it and it's non-methyl. I think the combination would cut me up really nice
    Yeah that'll b great, run it at 300mg and up.
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    That or p-stanz
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymfean
    That or p-stanz
    A high dose of pstanz would prevent sides from trenazone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    A high dose of pstanz would prevent sides from trenazone.
    really? Why would that be?

    are you saying that from experience or are you saying that from research of the compounds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    A high dose of pstanz would prevent sides from trenazone.
    really? Why would that be?

    are you saying that from experience or are you saying that from research of the compounds?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymfean

    really? Why would that be?

    are you saying that from experience or are you saying that from research of the compounds?
    Research and anecdotal reports from several ppl. Winny interacts with the progesterone receptor blocking progesterone to binding to the receptor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    A high dose of pstanz would prevent sides from trenazone.
    Do you have a link to any info backing this up or is this broscience? I hope this kid knows about the possible prolactin induced gyno with trenazone. Maybe focus on what the diet/routine will be while on cycle? That will lead to better gains as well rather than overdoing it! It's only his second cycle


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed

    Research and anecdotal reports from several ppl. Winny interacts with the progesterone receptor blocking progesterone to binding to the receptor.
    Didn't u read this? Google it.
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    No haha sry


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameson653
    No haha sry

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    Its all good lol, I was just like wow this guy didn't read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameson653 View Post
    Do you have a link to any info backing this up or is this broscience? I hope this kid knows about the possible prolactin induced gyno with trenazone. Maybe focus on what the diet/routine will be while on cycle? That will lead to better gains as well rather than overdoing it! It's only his second cycle


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    yes, i have data backing up this for winstrol. it is anecdotal that stanozolol thp ether will do the same thing, as i have been recomending it since i experimented with it myself with pro dienolone, and so far everyone who has tried it has not had any of the typical sides seen.

    now, do you have any data showing gyno is caused from prolactin, or data showing dienolone or other nor androgens will cause gyno specifically from prolactin?
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    Is this true for masteron as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by toolband
    Is this true for masteron as well?
    No masteron doesn't interact with the PR, but it will help with estrogen.
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    OK thanks bro, I'm reading some conflicting stuff on the net, I think that some people out there might be confusing masteron with winstrol in this aspect...assuming that masteron binds to progestoren receptors the way that winnie does, because they are both so similar.

    After doing some research, I am also going to add some B6 to this cycle (200-400mg a day max), which helps prevent progestoren related sides, apparently. I will also just make sure that I take my prami.

    I have always been a heavy drinker, so liver toxic AAS are absolutely off limits for me, otherwise I'd probably consider running some winnie with the tren (I am going to get blood work done after this cycle and in between all future cycles FYI). Prami, B6, and keeping estrogen low ought to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toolband
    OK thanks bro, I'm reading some conflicting stuff on the net, I think that some people out there might be confusing masteron with winstrol in this aspect...assuming that masteron binds to progestoren receptors the way that winnie does, because they are both so similar.

    After doing some research, I am also going to add some B6 to this cycle (200-400mg a day max), which helps prevent progestoren related sides, apparently. I will also just make sure that I take my prami.

    I have always been a heavy drinker, so liver toxic AAS are absolutely off limits for me, otherwise I'd probably consider running some winnie with the tren (I am going to get blood work done after this cycle and in between all future cycles FYI). Prami, B6, and keeping estrogen low ought to do it.
    Yeah u should b gtg bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    No masteron doesn't interact with the PR, but it will help with estrogen.
    because of the structure of androgens and progestins, androgens are able to bind with and interact with the pr, all of them.
    but

    based off of the structural characteristics, interaction, and binding strength will vary.

    im not sure what masteron's is, but im sure it's easy to find out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b

    because of the structure of androgens and progestins, androgens are able to bind with and interact with the pr, all of them.
    but

    based off of the structural characteristics, interaction, and binding strength will vary.

    im not sure what masteron's is, but im sure it's easy to find out.
    Ohhh okay, good info bro.
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    see how similar progesteron and masteron prop are...


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    Yeah that makes a lot of sense actually.
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    Hell yeah!!! This is great info brothers! Thank you so much!


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    I just wanted to update anyone that was interested I am 3 weeks into my stacks no major strength gains yet but I have gained 6 pounds will losing about 2 percent body fat. and so far no sides at all. I have been running trenazone at 2 but starting week 4 I'm going to up it to 3Mg. I really do hope the strength gains kick in soon though because I am enjoying this stack to the max seen results day by day but the strength games just aren't there like I was hoping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymfean
    I just wanted to update anyone that was interested I am 3 weeks into my stacks no major strength gains yet but I have gained 6 pounds will losing about 2 percent body fat. and so far no sides at all. I have been running trenazone at 2 but starting week 4 I'm going to up it to 3Mg. I really do hope the strength gains kick in soon though because I am enjoying this stack to the max seen results day by day but the strength games just aren't there like I was hoping.
    You're bumping trenazone to 3ml right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    You're bumping trenazone to 3ml right?
    that is the plan I have enough to run it at 3ml for the last 3Weeks so I figure why not since I haven't had any sides yet.

    what's your opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymfean

    that is the plan I have enough to run it at 3ml for the last 3Weeks so I figure why not since I haven't had any sides yet.

    what's your opinion?
    That's fine, u do have something for prolactin sides though right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    That's fine, u do have something for prolactin sides though right?
    No I don't. Should I? like what? I haven't read anything on that with trenazone. I know it's possible but I didn't grab anything for it cuz I haven't heard of it happening to anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymfean

    No I don't. Should I? like what? I haven't read anything on that with trenazone. I know it's possible but I didn't grab anything for it cuz I haven't heard of it happening to anyone.
    Its common with 19nors, I mean the epi will help out since its androgenic but now you're bumping to 225mg of dienelone, which is a lot and will increase your chance of sides. I'd get some p5p just in case.
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    i dont have any idea why anyone would need more than 120mg of pro dienolone.

    whoever is using that much, best invest in some winstrol, or 3-4 bottles of stanozol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    i dont have any idea why anyone would need more than 120mg of pro dienolone.

    whoever is using that much, best invest in some winstrol, or 3-4 bottles of stanozol.
    That would be me . And ya i'm running p-stanz at 400.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Its common with 19nors, I mean the epi will help out since its androgenic but now you're bumping to 225mg of dienelone, which is a lot and will increase your chance of sides. I'd get some p5p just in case.
    Ya I know it's common with 19nors (I ran tren-13 with vitex) but I thought with epi and a solid PCT I'd be good. But ya I guess if i'm doing 3 I should have some onhand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymfean

    Ya I know it's common with 19nors (I ran tren-13 with vitex) but I thought with epi and a solid PCT I'd be good. But ya I guess if i'm doing 3 I should have some onhand.
    Oh you're running pstanz with it too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Oh you're running pstanz with it too?
    Ya epi-60 tren-2 maybe3 p-stanz-400
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    Quote Originally Posted by gymfean

    Ya epi-60 tren-2 maybe3 p-stanz-400
    Ohhhh ok I think u should b fine then with the pstanz.
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    Is there any pstanz or stano-drol even available anymore?? Havent see that stuff for sale for a bit, at least in the CEL brand..
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