epistane as ai/test booster only
- 06-01-2012, 08:20 PM
epistane as ai/test booster only
What would the risk be of running epi 10mg mornings only 4weeks on 2weeks off. At low doses epis ai effects exceed its anabolic effects and boost lh and test. Similar to the idea of running anavar low dose mornings only impact to the hpta sould be minimal. Liver and lipid values shouldt be influenced at this low of a dose with 2week breaks either. Do you would get consistant results with little to no sides. Post or flame away
- 06-01-2012, 08:37 PM
I'm gonna flame. Lol jk that's a stupid idea though, u wouldn't b suppressed or anything but u don't know how good the AI effect would b. I'm sure Erase or Forma would do a better job.
- 06-01-2012, 09:01 PM
It would still have the anabolic influence for 8 to 10 hrs a day that would far exceed natural recovery.
06-01-2012, 09:18 PM
06-01-2012, 09:43 PM
If its 10 to 12x more anabolic than test mg for mg then it would have the effect of 100mg + for the half day duration
06-01-2012, 09:51 PM
06-01-2012, 10:41 PM
Should have put reasoning in original post to clear confusion for idea. No one reads 35 and older section. This idea wouldnt be for general user trying to make massive gains quick. This is for the 30plus generation that are in good health and allow them to gain lean muscle and burn fat ect like an 18-21 year old male. Similar to the idea of useing dhea but haveing it actually work without completely disrupting your natural test levels and hpta
06-01-2012, 10:43 PM
Ahhhhhhh okay I see now lol. I can see your reasoning now, r u on TRT too?Originally Posted by dagger1
06-01-2012, 10:51 PM
No, dont qualify and lots of people insurance wouldnt cover it. Figured this would be affordable, around 25bucks for 6months. Question would be the safety of the idea
06-01-2012, 10:59 PM
Idk how safe it would b. 6 months= 24 weeks= 168 days x 10mg= 1680mgs of epi. A week of epi at 30mg ED is 210mg/week, so 1680mgs of epi would b 30/30/30/30/30/30/30/30 so an 8 week cycle of epi at 30mg.
06-01-2012, 11:07 PM
Would use 4weeks on 2off to give body frequent breaks. At 10mg the ai effect shouldnt completely irradicate estrogen just lower it enough to signal lh pulses inturn more test production. There should still be some conversion to estrogen to keep lipids in check and bp from going up. But your t to e ratio could jump from a 7 to 1average to who knows which would be an advantage to a middle aged male. It would be 1800mgs over a year(2 bottles) would most likely. Take month or two off between bottles
06-01-2012, 11:09 PM
we don't even really know that epi works as an AI anyways. Might or might not, some even say they get gyno while on the stuff if you believe that. but as for the anabolic effect I'd say there are better options to pulse like that.
06-01-2012, 11:13 PM
06-01-2012, 11:29 PM
Throwing ideas out there for future. Currently in last week of d-zine cycle. Would try anything new untill after pct and month or 2 off. As for ai effects i read different time frames anywhere from 14days to 2months after ending epi cycle, id trust lower end. The gyno seems to occure from higher dose cycle in some users possably from too little estrogen after cycle and improper pct protocals. Also its ability to utilize stim cells and lower fat storage would not allow the body (male body) to store estrogen in its normal manner and in turn have more effect on other tissues such as breast tissue which would then effect prolactin levels and what not. The whole reason for such a low dose.
06-02-2012, 12:46 AM
Yeah that's what I've concluded too, plus ppl use nolva with epi which they shouldn't do.Originally Posted by dagger1
06-02-2012, 02:18 AM
I dont agree on tapering any steroid but if epi is an effective ai at low dose i think it might be effective as its own pct as a e3d pulse, would not meet the non hormonal requirements needed by most anabolics but it could be an exception to the rule. It would be nice to see university studies on the designers available to see the impact on the body. But no one knows for sure of its true ai effect. Proviron works great in pct, other than its a methyl id think epi could work, hell they make a few otc pct with it in it that get slandered by everyone who uses traditional protocals but the few logs ive read of people useing arimedexin with havoc love it and have great recovery and no trouble keeping gains(yet to see bloodwork on it though)
06-02-2012, 03:45 AM
This is not a good idea
06-02-2012, 04:23 AM
06-02-2012, 09:17 AM
Its really an unknown, i'd b intrigued to see what bloodwork would show.Originally Posted by dagger1
06-02-2012, 07:01 PM
06-02-2012, 10:40 PM
06-02-2012, 11:26 PM
06-02-2012, 11:39 PM
It works like an AI for me definitely, but yeah everyone is different.Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
06-02-2012, 11:46 PM
06-02-2012, 11:59 PM
Yeah I know what u mean, u need to see on cycle bloodwork and pre bloodwork of the person's baseline estrogen.Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
06-03-2012, 03:58 PM
Most bloodwork from epi cycle do show very low to non existant e2 levels, but the same goes with any compound that doesnt aromatise. Need to see bloodwork a few weeks after pct to see if e levels are still low
06-03-2012, 04:51 PM
06-03-2012, 05:06 PM
I question why you think EPI would be superior for said cause in lieu of a potent AI like Erase. Moreover, doing things to support maximum endogenous production (such as the Erase) and lifestyle choices (food, stress, exercise, etc) along with Test Boosters (there are actually efficacious choices these days).
That said, I can appreciate the clever thought process here but I think you run the risk of adversely affecting HPTA.
As it is with moth hormonal pathways in the body, this is a tightly regulated system. As such, with consistent (daily) manipulation, you will inevitably impact the HPTA (at the very least, slightly). Additionally, in light of your strategy, cummulatively you will influence the axis. Only time will tell if it will shut you down or cause delayed recovery or permanent issues (highly doubtful).
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06-03-2012, 05:20 PM
Epi doesn't have any more anti e properties than other androgens like dht.
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06-03-2012, 05:30 PM
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