epistane as ai/test booster only

[Rhadam]

we don't even really know that epi works as an AI anyways. Might or might not, some even say they get gyno while on the stuff if you believe that. but as for the anabolic effect I'd say there are better options to pulse like that.

WUT? uh...... not sure if srs

[WARBIRDWS6]

WUT? uh...... not sure if srs

you know for a fact it acts as an AI? If you have data and research to prove this I'd love to see it....I didn't feel any AI effect from it, nor did I get any creaky joints....I'm not saying it doesn't, just saying I haven't seen anything that proves it DOES....and for that matter even if it does, it probably varies from person to person.....unlike a true AI....

[Dr.Stri8ed]

you know for a fact it acts as an AI? If you have data and research to prove this I'd love to see it....I didn't feel any AI effect from it, nor did I get any creaky joints....I'm not saying it doesn't, just saying I haven't seen anything that proves it DOES....and for that matter even if it does, it probably varies from person to person.....unlike a true AI....

It works like an AI for me definitely, but yeah everyone is different.

[WARBIRDWS6]

It works like an AI for me definitely, but yeah everyone is different.

in other words I was trying to say, is there any actual research on this? where you KNOW its acting as an AI? or does it just give some sides similar to an AI, but its actually not? like controlled studies where we see decreases in estrogen from using epi? I just don't recall seeing anything on the subject other than anecdotal reports from individual users. unless someone got bloodwork done with estrogen #'s to prove this...provided they used only epi of course....

[Dr.Stri8ed]

in other words I was trying to say, is there any actual research on this? where you KNOW its acting as an AI? or does it just give some sides similar to an AI, but its actually not? like controlled studies where we see decreases in estrogen from using epi? I just don't recall seeing anything on the subject other than anecdotal reports from individual users. unless someone got bloodwork done with estrogen #'s to prove this...provided they used only epi of course....

Yeah I know what u mean, u need to see on cycle bloodwork and pre bloodwork of the person's baseline estrogen.

[dagger1]

Most bloodwork from epi cycle do show very low to non existant e2 levels, but the same goes with any compound that doesnt aromatise. Need to see bloodwork a few weeks after pct to see if e levels are still low

[Dr.Stri8ed]

Most bloodwork from epi cycle do show very low to non existant e2 levels, but the same goes with any compound that doesnt aromatise. Need to see bloodwork a few weeks after pct to see if e levels are still low

Cuz how long is the AI effect u said?

[Whacked]

Sup Dagger.

I question why you think EPI would be superior for said cause in lieu of a potent AI like Erase. Moreover, doing things to support maximum endogenous production (such as the Erase) and lifestyle choices (food, stress, exercise, etc) along with Test Boosters (there are actually efficacious choices these days).

That said, I can appreciate the clever thought process here but I think you run the risk of adversely affecting HPTA.

As it is with moth hormonal pathways in the body, this is a tightly regulated system. As such, with consistent (daily) manipulation, you will inevitably impact the HPTA (at the very least, slightly). Additionally, in light of your strategy, cummulatively you will influence the axis. Only time will tell if it will shut you down or cause delayed recovery or permanent issues (highly doubtful).

What would the risk be of running epi 10mg mornings only 4weeks on 2weeks off. At low doses epis ai effects exceed its anabolic effects and boost lh and test. Similar to the idea of running anavar low dose mornings only impact to the hpta sould be minimal. Liver and lipid values shouldt be influenced at this low of a dose with 2week breaks either. Do you would get consistant results with little to no sides. Post or flame away

[jbryand101b]

Epi doesn't have any more anti e properties than other androgens like dht.

[dagger1]

Cuz how long is the AI effect u said?

Claims of ai effect are from a few weeks to a few months, so if they are accurate then test to estrogen ratio should still be very broad even a few weeks after pct if it has long lasting effects. I do know typical signs of low estrogen exist because most users of epi keep muscle hardness, vascularity and fat metabolism well after cycle is over. It may also be why epi gains are easier to maintain after cycle compaired to m-drol or h-drol.

[Dr.Stri8ed]

Claims of ai effect are from a few weeks to a few months, so if they are accurate then test to estrogen ratio should still be very broad even a few weeks after pct if it has long lasting effects. I do know typical signs of low estrogen exist because most users of epi keep muscle hardness, vascularity and fat metabolism well after cycle is over. It may also be why epi gains are easier to maintain after cycle compaired to m-drol or h-drol.

Yes I do have to agree with, not to mention the dry joints. I'm on epi now.

[dagger1]

Ran idea past doctor that lifts at my gym. He suggested against it simply that it is not the same as trt in anyway and that oral delivery would not be the way to go and after a few rounds it would catch up with me. Told me if i choose to experiment with my own body which he is not advising then to at least keep time on and time off the same. Said if he were to choose somthing like this he would run 2weeks on and 2weeks off and only run three or four short cycles max and then take few months odd. Said not to use any oral more than 15 to 16 weeks out of the year. Suggested just ordering test if i have a sourse and running it at a low dose in 3week cycles to keep supression low and run mild pct on off time

[Dr.Stri8ed]

Ran idea past doctor that lifts at my gym. He suggested against it simply that it is not the same as trt in anyway and that oral delivery would not be the way to go and after a few rounds it would catch up with me. Told me if i choose to experiment with my own body which he is not advising then to at least keep time on and time off the same. Said if he were to choose somthing like this he would run 2weeks on and 2weeks off and only run three or four short cycles max and then take few months odd. Said not to use any oral more than 15 to 16 weeks out of the year. Suggested just ordering test if i have a sourse and running it at a low dose in 3week cycles to keep supression low and run mild pct on off time

Yeah I figured there would b some type of drawback with running it like that. So I guess test is the way to go for u bro.

[jason79]

WUT? uh...... not sure if srs

It's also important to remember that the anti-e properties are shown with the unmethylated molecule that's (was) prescribed as a breast cancer treatment in Japan. The otc ds epi, is 17a-methylated which makes it a different molecule.

[Whacked]

Your Doc is wise

LOL

Ran idea past doctor that lifts at my gym. He suggested against it simply that it is not the same as trt in anyway and that oral delivery would not be the way to go and after a few rounds it would catch up with me. Told me if i choose to experiment with my own body which he is not advising then to at least keep time on and time off the same. Said if he were to choose somthing like this he would run 2weeks on and 2weeks off and only run three or four short cycles max and then take few months odd. Said not to use any oral more than 15 to 16 weeks out of the year. Suggested just ordering test if i have a sourse and running it at a low dose in 3week cycles to keep supression low and run mild pct on off time

Sup Dagger.

I question why you think EPI would be superior for said cause in lieu of a potent AI like Erase. Moreover, doing things to support maximum endogenous production (such as the Erase) and lifestyle choices (food, stress, exercise, etc) along with Test Boosters (there are actually efficacious choices these days).

That said, I can appreciate the clever thought process here but I think you run the risk of adversely affecting HPTA.

As it is with moth hormonal pathways in the body, this is a tightly regulated system. As such, with consistent (daily) manipulation, you will inevitably impact the HPTA (at the very least, slightly). Additionally, in light of your strategy, cummulatively you will influence the axis. Only time will tell if it will shut you down or cause delayed recovery or permanent issues (highly doubtful).

[Dr.Stri8ed]

Your Doc is wise

LOL

Whacked u hit the nail on the head brother.

[Whacked]

Not really, I was a lil upset I finally got it right and I got blown off

LMAO

haha

Whacked u hit the nail on the head brother.

[Dr.Stri8ed]

Not really, I was a lil upset I finally got it right and I got blown off

LMAO

haha

Lol I feel u bro, your points made sense though.

[Whacked]

haha thanks pimp LOL

[WARBIRDWS6]

Not really, I was a lil upset I finally got it right and I got blown off

LMAO

haha

actually....what happened was....we all got together and decided you got SO MANY things wrong in the past, we figured you need to get SEVERAL things nailed on the head....and THEN we will give you credit....but not just for one nail on the head LMFAO! (j/k of course.....)