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    Seen a few posts relating to anger issues and such...is it worse on (what I call) REAL steroids (ie test, deca, winny) than on prohormones? I haven't been more aggressive, angry, heated etc (I'm on an SD/xtreme DMZ cycle). Am I just weird (well yes but for different reasons) or does it affect everyone differently? Curious over here.

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    Anger issues on steroids is usually just amplifying the anger issues that were present before the steroids. Most people are the same on steroids and don't feel any "roid rage". If anything test would make you feel great and even more relaxed..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid
    Anger issues on steroids is usually just amplifying the anger issues that were present before the steroids. Most people are the same on steroids and don't feel any "roid rage". If anything test would make you feel great and even more relaxed..
    I agree. Although my anger issues r amplified unfortunately, I'm on epi right now and its harder to b out in public.
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    Anxious, I got that way and irritable towards the end of 6 weeks of trenazone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    I agree. Although my anger issues r amplified unfortunately, I'm on epi right now and its harder to b out in public.
    Damn that bad? I was pretty chill on epi but I am not the aggressive type at all so I guess that is why.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid

    Damn that bad? I was pretty chill on epi but I am not the aggressive type at all so I guess that is why.
    Yeah bro its bad, sometimes I see red for no reason, like just in general its harder to b around anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179
    Anxious, I got that way and irritable towards the end of 6 weeks of trenazone
    Yeah like that easily agitated/on edge feeling.
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    It's different for everyone. I'm pretty mellow to begin with, so roids don't really have that much of an effect on my anger. I actually jumped on a cycle after my ex left me about eight months ago and it crushed the depression and I felt amazing all around. However, I know some people who are pissy to begin with, and the sauce makes them demon-like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chefbolic
    It's different for everyone. I'm pretty mellow to begin with, so roids don't really have that much of an effect on my anger. I actually jumped on a cycle after my ex left me about eight months ago and it crushed the depression and I felt amazing all around. However, I know some people who are pissy to begin with, and the sauce makes them demon-like.
    Yep demon-like that's me lol.
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    yeah I agree on the epi-aggro point, as well as the fact some of this stuff amplifies anger issues that are already present. I don't get really aggro much, but if something sets me off I can get aggro....and it seems on certain AAS/PH's the tolerance level is adjusted down and you fly off the handle quicker. some of the stuff doesn't make me aggro, but make me anxious...or depressed (clomid )....everybody is different, and most of this stuff will elicit different responses in each individual....then again some of it seems to "work" on just about everybody, like the clomid moody/emotional bullshyt effect....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    yeah I agree on the epi-aggro point, as well as the fact some of this stuff amplifies anger issues that are already present. I don't get really aggro much, but if something sets me off I can get aggro....and it seems on certain AAS/PH's the tolerance level is adjusted down and you fly off the handle quicker. some of the stuff doesn't make me aggro, but make me anxious...or depressed (clomid )....everybody is different, and most of this stuff will elicit different responses in each individual....then again some of it seems to "work" on just about everybody, like the clomid moody/emotional bullshyt effect....
    Yeah SD turned me into a debbie downer/ depressed a lot. Clomid turns me into a bitch lol. And last week I tried to rip my steering wheel off after I spilled a little protein in my seat(I'm on epi now) talk about rage lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Yeah SD turned me into a debbie downer/ depressed a lot. Clomid turns me into a bitch lol. And last week I tried to rip my steering wheel off after I spilled a little protein in my seat(I'm on epi now) talk about rage lol.
    man clomid really fuqs me up the most of all of this shyt.....moody, depressed, emotional, anxious....you name it. everybody is like WTF is wrong with you? you look sad LMFAO....what are you supposed to say? I suppose you could tell them that you will be better in a few more days on the 30th, ok maybe it will last another few days past the 30 days until everything is back to normal .....
    SD= depression for you? oh shyt, thats all i need is another round of that coming up....maybe pulsing it at 10mg might mitigate any such sides for me.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Yeah SD turned me into a debbie downer/ depressed a lot. Clomid turns me into a bitch lol. And last week I tried to rip my steering wheel off after I spilled a little protein in my seat(I'm on epi now) talk about rage lol.
    ha what dose you running it at and which company?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    man clomid really fuqs me up the most of all of this shyt.....moody, depressed, emotional, anxious....you name it. everybody is like WTF is wrong with you? you look sad LMFAO....what are you supposed to say? I suppose you could tell them that you will be better in a few more days on the 30th, ok maybe it will last another few days past the 30 days until everything is back to normal .....
    SD= depression for you? oh shyt, thats all i need is another round of that coming up....maybe pulsing it at 10mg might mitigate any such sides for me.....
    with no test base it will shut you down fast so yeah SD can deff make you feel depressed and crappy
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    with no test base it will shut you down fast so yeah SD can deff make you feel depressed and crappy
    I wonder how bad the shutdown will be pulsed at such a low dosage though....Guess I'll find out here soon....probably the AMv2 and 3 I got would work better with the SD pulse, instead of the ABv3....as far as test base goes....but I'm pretty dead set to use the ABv3 for some reason.....maybe I'll add in some dermacrine to the ABv3/SD???? there is a thought....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    I wonder how bad the shutdown will be pulsed at such a low dosage though....Guess I'll find out here soon....probably the AMv2 and 3 I got would work better with the SD pulse, instead of the ABv3....as far as test base goes....but I'm pretty dead set to use the ABv3 for some reason.....maybe I'll add in some dermacrine to the ABv3/SD???? there is a thought....
    Yeah I think if you were running SD pulsed on AM then you would be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid

    ha what dose you running it at and which company?
    The SD or the Epi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    The SD or the Epi?
    you running both right now? I was thinking of doing an SD epi bridge soon
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid

    you running both right now? I was thinking of doing an SD epi bridge soon
    I did this, well I'm still on it now:

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    I'm still on 45mg, I bump to 60mg starting Monday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    I did this, well I'm still on it now:

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    20/20/30/30(40 the last 5 days)
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    0/0/0/0/30/45/45/60

    I'm still on 45mg, I bump to 60mg starting Monday.
    nice. That's great (also not so great) that you respond that way to epi. I was on 60 mg epi for 6 weeks and didn't feel as much as others I think. Accidentally went to 80 mg for a few days and I felt pretty damn aggressive on that dose.

    I was thinking of doing it SD: 10/20/20/10 and epi: 0/0/30/40/60/60/60/60. I would go over 60 but everyone keeps saying not to lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid

    nice. That's great (also not so great) that you respond that way to epi. I was on 60 mg epi for 6 weeks and didn't feel as much as others I think. Accidentally went to 80 mg for a few days and I felt pretty damn aggressive on that dose.

    I was thinking of doing it SD: 10/20/20/10 and epi: 0/0/30/40/60/60/60/60. I would go over 60 but everyone keeps saying not to lol
    80mg sounds like a lot of fun bro. Next week with 60mg will b the highest I've ever gone. Your cycle looks sweet, and honestly i'd go above 60 especially if u have no sides, I mean the aggression is fun most of the time lol. Mine is bad on 45 though, I wonder what will happen on 60 lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    80mg sounds like a lot of fun bro. Next week with 60mg will b the highest I've ever gone. Your cycle looks sweet, and honestly i'd go above 60 especially if u have no sides, I mean the aggression is fun most of the time lol. Mine is bad on 45 though, I wonder what will happen on 60 lol.
    Just make sure I am not near you when you bump up that dose lol

    yeah I think maybe Ill go the last 4 weeks 60/70/80/80 if I get no sides... you think I would need more liver support at that high of a dose? I was gona do livercare 2 times per day 1 cap each time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid

    Just make sure I am not near you when you bump up that dose lol

    yeah I think maybe Ill go the last 4 weeks 60/70/80/80 if I get no sides... you think I would need more liver support at that high of a dose? I was gona do livercare 2 times per day 1 cap each time.
    Eh I guess if you're worried about it, I'm not the guy to ask lol I have an iron liver, a lot of drug use in my past. Its crazy though how good I feel on this right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    Eh I guess if you're worried about it, I'm not the guy to ask lol I have an iron liver, a lot of drug use in my past. Its crazy though how good I feel on this right now.
    My liver was fine at 60 mg I might just up the livercare dose the last few weeks no biggie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid

    My liver was fine at 60 mg I might just up the livercare dose the last few weeks no biggie.
    Yeah go for it bro, sounds good to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    Just make sure I am not near you when you bump up that dose lol

    yeah I think maybe Ill go the last 4 weeks 60/70/80/80 if I get no sides... you think I would need more liver support at that high of a dose? I was gona do livercare 2 times per day 1 cap each time.
    next time I do epi I'm going like 50mg up to 70 or 80mg per day ....I felt the last few weeks at 60mg were the best of the bunch no doubt....some of us seem to require a larger dosage to see the desired effects....
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    Yeah its becoming like popping skittles lol.
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    lol a box of tic tacs comes to mind.. would buy one and it would be gone in an hour..
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    next time I do epi I'm going like 50mg up to 70 or 80mg per day ....I felt the last few weeks at 60mg were the best of the bunch no doubt....some of us seem to require a larger dosage to see the desired effects....
    I think 60 was good for a little for me then I didnt feel as much towards the end.. but then again I was using it for cutting so going to try it for bulking this go round. I think I was prob just becoming more suppressed so the constant dosage of epi felt like less since my test was starting to drop more..
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    I think 60 was good for a little for me then I didnt feel as much towards the end.. but then again I was using it for cutting so going to try it for bulking this go round. I think I was prob just becoming more suppressed so the constant dosage of epi felt like less since my test was starting to drop more..
    more than 75% of the time I'm cutting or "recomping" so I know what you mean. Hard to gauge it vrs someone bulking or on a lean gainer. I said I didn't want to do anything too harsh anymore since A) I hate clomid and B) I don't want to push the issue with my hair that has been cooperating up till this point .....but you know we all end up doing a harsher cycle again eventually.....and I got a shyt-ton of epi around here in the freezer LOL....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    more than 75% of the time I'm cutting or "recomping" so I know what you mean. Hard to gauge it vrs someone bulking or on a lean gainer. I said I didn't want to do anything too harsh anymore since A) I hate clomid and B) I don't want to push the issue with my hair that has been cooperating up till this point .....but you know we all end up doing a harsher cycle again eventually.....and I got a shyt-ton of epi around here in the freezer LOL....
    haha I did torem for my last cycle somewhat high (did 120/120/60 and just ended it end of week 3) it went pretty well actually but don't have clomid to compare it to. I deff thought it went better than nolva at similar dosing ratio.
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    maybe I'll try nolva or torem next time....I was always a "clomid man" lol....nolva was for gyno not PCT....but I guess its pretty well proven at this point to be effective for PCT right along with clomid....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    maybe I'll try nolva or torem next time....I was always a "clomid man" lol....nolva was for gyno not PCT....but I guess its pretty well proven at this point to be effective for PCT right along with clomid....
    I just felt crappy on nolva tbh compared to torem. Too scared to try clomid lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    I just felt crappy on nolva tbh compared to torem. Too scared to try clomid lol
    way back when in the mid to late 90's we didn't use any PCT for PH's and whatever was around then.....had no idea really...nobody did PCT for anything non-AAS back then....and in the early to mid 00's when I did AAS I'd usually bridge or cruise or whatever you want to call it....very few times did I do PCT, but when I did I used clomid....but this recent clomid run was my first in forever, and it sucked way worse...maybe it gets worse with age? I think so LOL....
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    Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    way back when in the mid to late 90's we didn't use any PCT for PH's and whatever was around then.....had no idea really...nobody did PCT for anything non-AAS back then....and in the early to mid 00's when I did AAS I'd usually bridge or cruise or whatever you want to call it....very few times did I do PCT, but when I did I used clomid....but this recent clomid run was my first in forever, and it sucked way worse...maybe it gets worse with age? I think so LOL....
    I'd go with torem over nolva fur sure.
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