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    Ok I am thinking about going to the "Dark side" and my biggest concern is hair loss/shedding b/c I saw pretty abd shedding on my last M1T cycle. So... out of all the compounds out there, what is the least likely to affect the hair but most likely to give good gains?

    From my research, I have read anavar/primo would be best.

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    deca is a good choice too
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    There of course are going to be drugs that are more harsh than others when it comes to side effects, but as far as permanent hair loss, I believe it's more of a question of whether or not your genetically predisposed to it. I know lots of guys who have juiced for years, myself included, that still have a full head of hair. If you are predisposed to hairloss, high doses of test, dbol, drol,and pretty much all of the more powerful drugs are going to speed up hairloss. The primo/ anavar combo you mentioned is a good one for minimal sides all around though.
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    stay away from the really harsh androgens like tren

    deca would probably be a good choice
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    I'm telling you deca has its own set of harsh side effects and it has been known to shut you down hard..
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    Sounds like the concensus is going for primo/anavar, the only thing that sucks about that is primo/anavar is mainly used for cutting right? Woudl high doses be any good at bulking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUsual
    Sounds like the concensus is going for primo/anavar, the only thing that sucks about that is primo/anavar is mainly used for cutting right? Woudl high doses be any good at bulking?
    If this is your first time using juice, then you will probably be happy with the gains you can make from moderate dosages. Always start with the least amount needed to see gains. Even though these drugs are used in cutting cycles, it's the diet that's responsible for losing bodyfat. The same goes for trying to put on weight- you can take all the drugs you want but if you don't eat enough, you're not gonna grow. If you eat enough and train right( which are more important than roids anyway) these two substances will help your gains. You're not going to blow up like on dbol and test, but again if it's your first time you'll make decent gains.
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    they are probabky 2 of the most expensive compounds around also. I am prone and my hair is falling out. i said **** if it is going to happen might as well do it now and get some good muscle too. soooo i am on testE\trenE\Dbol. i am married, i just dont give a ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldylight
    they are probabky 2 of the most expensive compounds around also. I am prone and my hair is falling out. i said **** if it is going to happen might as well do it now and get some good muscle too. soooo i am on testE\trenE\Dbol. i am married, i just dont give a ****.
    Unfortunately I don't have that luxury I am still very much "in the game", and I think women prefer hair over a bit more muscle so I will stick to the weak stuff (until I get married that is )
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    Quote Originally Posted by jarhead
    If this is your first time using juice, then you will probably be happy with the gains you can make from moderate dosages. Always start with the least amount needed to see gains. Even though these drugs are used in cutting cycles, it's the diet that's responsible for losing bodyfat. The same goes for trying to put on weight- you can take all the drugs you want but if you don't eat enough, you're not gonna grow. If you eat enough and train right( which are more important than roids anyway) these two substances will help your gains. You're not going to blow up like on dbol and test, but again if it's your first time you'll make decent gains.
    Thanks, ya that was what I was hoping for. I am taking diet advice from bobo right now, so my diet should be so clean it will shine.
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    Anyone know if the whole theory of test+deca prevents hair loss because the 5AA reduced deca is a much weaker form of DHT and it competes with receptors to block out the stronger DHT? This is what I have heard, and it would be nice to run deca+test for a bulker (and maybe from M4OHN or var at the end)
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldylight
    they are probabky 2 of the most expensive compounds around also. I am prone and my hair is falling out. i said **** if it is going to happen might as well do it now and get some good muscle too. soooo i am on testE\trenE\Dbol. i am married, i just dont give a ****.
    Hehe-I'm married too and share your opinion. If I start to go bald, I'll just shave it off. At least I'll be big and bald.
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    I really really really want to run Tren but gah damn if I'm going to be ripped and bald.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheUsual
    I really really really want to run Tren but gah damn if I'm going to be ripped and bald.
    dont be a wuss, run the tren
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    Same here brother the more I lose the shorter I cut it. Use the 1/8th comb on my clippers and buzz away. Screw the world there are plenty of hot chicks that think bald is cool but for the love of god don't go to the dark side (comb over)!

    Quote Originally Posted by jarhead
    Hehe-I'm married too and share your opinion. If I start to go bald, I'll just shave it off. At least I'll be big and bald.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldylight
    dont be a wuss, run the tren
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    Quote Originally Posted by jarhead
    Hehe-I'm married too and share your opinion. If I start to go bald, I'll just shave it off. At least I'll be big and bald.
    I am prone as well, and married, and don't give a ****.., but in all reality I really don't think you will lose THAT much hair, you may be able to notice a little on the hair line but I doubt many others could...just use some spiro and nizoral. IMO, of course.
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    nizoral i have found does wonders. Make sure it is the 2% tho. The 2 compunds that i have found to cause the most hairloss have been (in order) M5aa(****s evil on the hair and M1t(also evil on the hair).
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    Quote Originally Posted by witchdawg7
    but for the love of god don't go to the dark side (comb over)!
    LOL. That **** is too funny. My father in law has one. It is by far the worst thing you could do to yourself. a close second is donald trumps haircut.
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    Trump has a haircut?! I always thought it was some type of helmet.
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    There's plenty of stuff out there that can help even the genetically unlucky keep their hair on a cycle of androgenic drugs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    There's plenty of stuff out there that can help even the genetically unlucky keep their hair on a cycle of androgenic drugs...
    Don't keep us in suspense!
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    Sorry bro!

    Well, you have the Nizoral/Minoxidil5%AzelaicAcid5%/Spiro2% combo that really works well for most people. Throw in some oral Finasteride if you're really concerned (or running test on top of another potent androgen) and even if you're genetically predisposed to MPB you should keep your hair, if not regrow some.

    The above como works in something like 85% of the men who tried it, with results ranging from a slowing of MPB to complete regrowth.

    The catch (you know there had to be one) if you stop using Minoxidil products, any hair that they helped to regrow will eventually start falling out a few months down the road. Although this kind of sucks - remember there is no cure for MPB, and minoxidil is the only chemical that can be applied topically to the scalp that has been proven to regrow hair. So what you have is an effective treatment, with a drawback. A minor drawback if you're genetically cursed with MPB and want any hope of keeping your hair, or preventing what you have from falling out on cycle.

    Dosage for the above products is as follows:

    Nizoral 2%/Salacylic Acid 2% shampoo EOD
    Use a good, thick conditioner with this.

    At night:
    Spiro 2% Solution
    Xandrox Nighttime (Minoxidil 5%/Azelaic Acid 5%/Retinoic Acid 2%)

    During the day:
    Spiro 2% Solution
    Xandrox Daytime (Minoxidil 5%/Azelaic Acid 5%)

    You can also get higher concentrations of Spiro in a 5% cream (for problem or exceptionally thin areas). There is also a 15% Minoxidil solution that has proven to be very effective with areas of the scalp that wont respond to the 5% solution.

    Oral Finasteride 1.25mg/day

    That's as good a combo as any against MPB, on or off cycle. The Minoxidil encourages regrowth, and the Spiro/Azelaic/Finasteride block DHT and other androgen molecules in the scalp.

    Ive been using the above treatment for about 8 months now (minus the finasteride) with a lot of success. My hair is noticeably thicker - moreso than it was 2 years ago.

    There are other products that sound worth checking out - Folligen and Nioxin, but I havent really looked into them yet.

    *DONT USE FINASTERIDE WITH DECA OR TREN*

    As far as I know, this is the best treatment for keeping your hair if your predisposed to MPB! It runs about $40 a month, but its well worth it. Its all or nothing for me...either I have a nice head of hair, or Im Bic'ing my damn head.

    BV
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    Why not run finasteride with deca and tren? If you are also using spiro, woudlnt that block the androgen at the follice anyway?
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    bigvrunga's post should definitely be made a sticky!
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    Why not run finasteride with deca and tren? If you are also using spiro, woudlnt that block the androgen at the follice anyway?

    It actually accelerates hair loss when used with deca, Im in a rush to get out the door at the moment, but Ill post some sources for that info when i have time.

    Ive never used Finasteride, so I can't comment on its effectiveness from experience. It blocks something like 40% of the total amount of DHT that reaches your scalp, and has been shown to be effective at promoting hair growth at the front of the scalp.

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    You dont run finasteride w/ deca because it prevents deca from being 5AA reduced to a far weaker androgen which attaches to the DHT receptor. So basically you are making this really strong androgen bind w/ your scalp receptors instead of a much weaker one... sucks But that is why Deca is good to go w/o anything.

    I think for my next cutting stack I am going to run primo/var along w/ some triac. For hair loss I will run it w/ nizoral shampoo from minoxidil.com and some spiro 5% + azelaic acid 5% from custom. Might add in some folligen as well, heard good things about that stopping shedding.
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    why not add at least hrt dose of test????
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldylight
    why not add at least hrt dose of test????
    Hmm ya good idea, I remember reading about that. Would that be around 200mg a week?
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    i thought 250, but i would look around.
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    iirc 200 was correct
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    Thanks for the help guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    Sorry bro!

    Well, you have the Nizoral/Minoxidil5%AzelaicAcid5%/Spiro2% combo that really works well for most people. Throw in some oral Finasteride if you're really concerned (or running test on top of another potent androgen) and even if you're genetically predisposed to MPB you should keep your hair, if not regrow some.

    The above como works in something like 85% of the men who tried it, with results ranging from a slowing of MPB to complete regrowth.

    The catch (you know there had to be one) if you stop using Minoxidil products, any hair that they helped to regrow will eventually start falling out a few months down the road. Although this kind of sucks - remember there is no cure for MPB, and minoxidil is the only chemical that can be applied topically to the scalp that has been proven to regrow hair. So what you have is an effective treatment, with a drawback. A minor drawback if you're genetically cursed with MPB and want any hope of keeping your hair, or preventing what you have from falling out on cycle.

    Dosage for the above products is as follows:

    Nizoral 2%/Salacylic Acid 2% shampoo EOD
    Use a good, thick conditioner with this.

    At night:
    Spiro 2% Solution
    Xandrox Nighttime (Minoxidil 5%/Azelaic Acid 5%/Retinoic Acid 2%)

    During the day:
    Spiro 2% Solution
    Xandrox Daytime (Minoxidil 5%/Azelaic Acid 5%)

    You can also get higher concentrations of Spiro in a 5% cream (for problem or exceptionally thin areas). There is also a 15% Minoxidil solution that has proven to be very effective with areas of the scalp that wont respond to the 5% solution.

    Oral Finasteride 1.25mg/day

    That's as good a combo as any against MPB, on or off cycle. The Minoxidil encourages regrowth, and the Spiro/Azelaic/Finasteride block DHT and other androgen molecules in the scalp.

    Ive been using the above treatment for about 8 months now (minus the finasteride) with a lot of success. My hair is noticeably thicker - moreso than it was 2 years ago.

    There are other products that sound worth checking out - Folligen and Nioxin, but I havent really looked into them yet.

    *DONT USE FINASTERIDE WITH DECA OR TREN*

    As far as I know, this is the best treatment for keeping your hair if your predisposed to MPB! It runs about $40 a month, but its well worth it. Its all or nothing for me...either I have a nice head of hair, or Im Bic'ing my damn head.

    BV
    Concerning your comment that regrown hair will fall out after discontinuing use of minoxidil:

    If I just want to use something when I'm on cycle, what would be best? I'm not interested in regrowing hair - I just want to prevent the loss. Or am I looking at this all wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blown_stang
    If I just want to use something when I'm on cycle, what would be best? I'm not interested in regrowing hair - I just want to prevent the loss. Or am I looking at this all wrong?
    This is what i'm interested in too....I have a thick head of hair with minimal signs of shedding...>BUT...and this is a very LARGE BUT....my mothers father has a head like a cueball....so I'm pretty sure im FUZKD when it comes to androgens....allthough i've never noticed shedding off of 4ad, m1t, 1test, or m4ohn.....
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    Looking around here and bodybuilding.com, looks like I'm going to order Spiro and Nizoral. Somebody suggested "Azelaic Acid 5% & Minoxidil 5%", but others suggested avoiding Minoxidil for the reason I talked about in my above post.
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    I think you should not use finasteride with EQ also.
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    If you just want something to protect your head, then go with Spiro/Nizoral/Azelaic acid. That would be a potent DHT/general Androgen blocking combo. The minoxidil just encourages hair regrowth...if you have a full head of hair its not going to do much for you.

    Custom sells Azelaic acid seperately. (bless his soul - at a good price too!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVrunga
    If you just want something to protect your head, then go with Spiro/Nizoral/Azelaic acid. That would be a potent DHT/general Androgen blocking combo. The minoxidil just encourages hair regrowth...if you have a full head of hair its not going to do much for you.

    Custom sells Azelaic acid seperately. (bless his soul - at a good price too!)

    BV
    How exactly does Azelaic acid work on the scalp? What is the dosage/frequency?
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    I really don't understand, I don't see where everybody think Tren converts to dht , it clearly states it in the anabolic review, I hope they're right, it seems like it would since the hardening effect and no water retention. Could some wise man please enlighten me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ript22Swole
    I really don't understand, I don't see where everybody think Tren converts to dht , it clearly states it in the anabolic review, I hope they're right, it seems like it would since the hardening effect and no water retention. Could some wise man please enlighten me.
    Well DHT is not the only factor in hair loss. There are definitely other factors as people have experienced loss on steroids which do not convert into DHT (I even started shedding bad on M4OHN).
  

  
 

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