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    Sup man. For me personally, I just thought it was SOMEWHAT weak and with the morbidly lethargic sides I got, I wasnt a fan. I am in the minority though bro, so dont take my input here as gospel. MOST look at Epi as the Holy Grail of PH's. Then again, maybe that's just it, when you've run Var (and other gear) so many times like I have. MOST PH"s become a joke in comparison. At least that's been my experience.

    Ironically enough, Furazadrol in high doses (350-400) was more impressive to me than EPI with no virtually sides. Again, Im NOT the PH-king so please do your homework.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift

    Have yet to try epi, kind of planned on trying it for next summer's cut. You have any more feedback you can give me on it? When you say overrated do mean that the benefits didn't out weigh the sides? Or did you just not respond entirely?
    Bro I think you're gonna love epi if u respond like me. No lethargy, increase in appetite, no back pumps, crazy muscle pumps I mean full of blood, leaning out and better strength gains then I have on SD, plus super dry gains. Lol maybe I'm just a hyper responder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Sup man. For me personally, I just thought it was weak. I am in the minority though bro, so dont take my input here as gospel. MOST look at Epi as the Holy Grail of PH's. Then again, maybe that's just it, when you've run Var (and other gear) so many times like I have. MOST PH"s become a joke in comparison. At least that's been my experience.

    Ironically enough, Furazadrol in high doses (350-400) was more impressive to me than EPI with no virtually sides. Again, Im NOT the PH-king so please do your homework.

    Good luck with your run
    I'm thinking I'm gonna have to high dose some var for my winter lean bulk
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    Most people DO love Epi

    Im the odd ball here.

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    Bro I think you're gonna love epi if u respond like me. No lethargy, increase in appetite, no back pumps, crazy muscle pumps I mean full of blood, leaning out and better strength gains then I have on SD, plus super dry gains. Lol maybe I'm just a hyper responder.
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    Var = Filet Mignon
    Epi = White Castles Slider



    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed View Post
    I'm thinking I'm gonna have to high dose some var for my winter lean bulk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Var = Filet Mignon
    Epi = White Castles Slider


    Seems like some sweet tits hehe. What dose would u run, I'm running a SD/Prop/NPP 10 week cycle?
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    60 mg/day is all you need for a great ride.

    HIGH DOSE is fun but the sides become more apparent so I keep it at 60 and for 10 weeks (I take TUDCA and Im on TRT)

    Clean an virtually side free
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    60 mg/day is all you need for a great ride.

    HIGH DOSE is fun but the sides become more apparent so I keep it at 60 and for 10 weeks (I take TUDCA and Im on TRT)

    Clean an virtually side free
    So like 60mg for 6 weeks would b good?
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    Thanks for the input whacked, I think I may still give it a shot though. If I do it will probably only be a kicker anyway... ;-)
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    Here's the rub with Var (and most orals as far as Im concerned). While it is the crème de la crème of Orals (IMO), it's one down side is that it takes 1.5-2 weeks for me to really notice much. Im not a fan of 6 week cycles in general as I think allowing the drug to "do its thing" for a period of time will better support long term gains and better gains overall. This is based solely on personal anecdotal insight.

    Also, keep in mind im on TRT so I have no HPTA concerns but even when I did, I still ran 8-10-12 weekers; of course always augmented with health-conscience ancillaries (liver, kidney, BP and lipid profile supportive supps).

    I take a copius amount of supps but feel the expense is worth it as it allows me to run longer cycles quelling many of the typical deleterious sides/risks that accompany gear-use.

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    So like 60mg for 6 weeks would b good?
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    Thanks for the input whacked, I think I may still give it a shot though. If I do it will probably only be a kicker anyway... ;-)
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    So should I run it past the test cuz my SD kicker is 4 weeks, then I'll go straight into the var but that will only leave me with 6 weeks cuz my cycle is 10 weeks?
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    If you're dead set on the SD.....

    Here's an option but it's a bit "toxic" mainly due to the SD

    I really don't like this cycle - I say pick var or SD but not both

    12 Weeks
    1-10 Test
    1-4 SuperDrol (4 weeks)
    7-12 Var (6 weeks)

    Just not a fan of this at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    If you're dead set on the SD.....

    Here's an option but it's a bit "toxic" mainly due to the SD

    I really don't like this cycle - I say pick var or SD but not both

    12 Weeks
    1-10 Test
    1-4 SuperDrol (4 weeks)
    7-12 Var (6 weeks)

    Just not a fan of this at all
    Yeah it is gonna b a crazy cycle, plus I'm running NPP with the test too.
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    Skip the Var buddy! Save it for another day.


    PS: That sounds like a fun cycle. Enjoy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    Skip the Var buddy! Save it for another day.

    PS: That sounds like a fun cycle. Enjoy
    But I wanna make up for all the alcohol I never drink cuz of bodybuilding lol.
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    hahaha

    Be sure to keep us posted on that cycle buddy!

    Kill it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    hahaha

    Be sure to keep us posted on that cycle buddy!

    Kill it!
    It will b in november fur sure. In the meantime though I'm gonna do an Osta/S4 run.
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