Good man , if you wanna log it you would help me out a lot hehe , the only research I have on Osta are human logs that people made about their own experience (all of them positive) and the results me and one friend have seen on rats we test ourselves
, but I've never touched the stuff for my own body ^^ its interesting to see what people say about Osta , so far it comes with almost no sides , and is far less aggressive than S4
I woulden't go above 20 mg/day if you don't have a serm on hand.At 30+ you will need one to get your nuts back to full throttle.20mg's /day shows mild supression or so it says.Recomp can even be done with 12.5 if your worried about shut down.Anabolic responce even shown at 3 mg's a day in a study.
Link studies please Pyro , I wanna see that , all the studies I have found (and the one's done with a lab partner on rats too) have shown no shutdown , though MILD (and I stress the MILD) Shutdown at 25mg ED for 8 weeks...12.5 does yield anabolic response in that I do agree , but not with the 3mg a day...
Why would he stop? Mood drop, apetite drop and libido drop are common side effects of AAS , tough through it until the end of the cycle and PCT to get back on track...Now I have not seen one log of people running legit research chem Osta complaining about mood/libido or apetite :S! Did you take it solo or stacked it?
I'm hoping that you are an extreme/odd case and that stuff does not happen to most with osta at those doses.......
This is the ODDEST result I have ever heard on Osta , even lower chance of this than the migraines some reported :S...are you sure it was legit? Or that it was not tampered or something?...Also if you ran it alone and presented this symptoms already a couple of times...why not get bloods and help us find out more about this
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The fact remains there haven't been studies over 3 mg. I just may be more sensitive than other people to certain side effects, especially estrogen related ones. This may not happen to you at all. But I have deff seen reports of both libido drop and mood drop using ostarine. All I am saying to the OP is be careful with your dosing.
Lol someone snapped , I don't discuss with people who don't keep their cool no point. But also just some food for thought...All AAS are gonna present sides and pro's and con's, you have to weigh your options and accept is a risk, if you are already neck deep on mild sides like those , why not just suck it up , you are the one who got yourself in there , might as well get something worth out of it...And I say mild symptoms because they do not present a physical threat , you can still eat , and last I checked mood/libido are not needed to survive every day , it would concern me to see elevated blood pressure , elevated liver enzymes , you know...serious stuff...**** even acne would be a reason to pull the plug...what you mentioned could just be mild shutdown , which in case , PCT and that's it...That being said , yes I know the difference on a study and on a log , and have ran Osta on rats personally with a friend for a while and seen the results with bloods and control groups...true results can not be extrapolated always from rats to humans , but seeing human anecdote correlate with my data , I consider it a fair assumption that I am correct that a vast majority of the individuals trying Ostarine will not end up with symptoms like yours even at 25mg ED doses.
"n December 2006, GTx completed a 3 month Phase II double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial in 120 subjects (60 elderly men and 60 postmenopausal women). Enobosarm treatment resulted in a dose-dependent increase in lean body mass (LBM), with those taking the highest dose of 3mg per day showing an average LBM increase of 1.4 kg (3.1 lbs) compared to those who received placebo. The Enobosarm treatment also resulted in improvement in muscle function (performance) in a 12 stair climb test measuring speed and power. Enobosarm had a favorable safety profile, with no serious adverse events reported. Enobosarm also exhibited tissue selectivity with beneficial effects on lean body mass and performance and with no apparent change in measurements of serum PSA, sebum production or serum LH.
I don't want any of those sides, not after coming off clomid....that is the last thing I need....and I figure I'm susceptible if its anything estrogen related. But we'll see, at least I'll be doing 20mg per day then taper down to 13mg the final 2 weeks....maybe that will help mitigate any sides, lowering the dose after the first 3 weeks....or maybe I won't get any sides! even better.....
The increase in estrogen is not enough to be concerned about.An otc ai will take care of that.I didn't even use one.The slight estrogen increase is due to the healing propertys on joints/tendons ostraine comes with.
I did not snap I just find it pretty funny that you are giving people advice on products that you have no studies backing at that dose and you have not ran personally. If you have never ran a hormone cycle or a sarm cycle, then why are you giving advice on them? You read the general consensus and assume it to be fact on a compound being used at unstudied doses. I am glad you can assume that you are correct based on reading a few threads on the internet. I know your type and have seen you argue with other people in other threads. I get that you want the last word and that is fine. All I am doing is posting to tell the OP to be careful of how he doses this product. Next time you "cite" a study, how about you actually cite a real study and not one you found on a log. Very ironic that you cite a study you found yet demand pyrobatt shows you his study, even though you never had a study to back up what you said to begin with. I think you get the idea.
You might get none I am giving my experiences as a warning to others. Better to be careful with dosing than be aggressive.
yeah like I said the other day, I'm stacking it with forma stanzol since I like to take something anti-estrogen with any cycle since I think it helps me due to the fact I know I have naturally high estrogen levels....but I was not taking forma because I think osta raises estrogen, just thought it would stack well out of what I had laying around (for a relatively non-suppressive cycle). but at least its there in case of any excess estrogen....
This is quite interesting and amazing , hard to believe I have missed this read haha , I answered in PM , thanks for the read buddy!
Haha you got it down then.The forma may actualy help cause of the igf1 increase
good luck!
yeah for real, its a good stacker with just about anything.....also taking intimidate, and will be adding in reduce XT for cortisol once the endoamp from my TRS-2 is gone (one more day, some of my PCT ran a few days over)....I thought it was a badass non-suppressive stack idea....Haha you got it down then.The forma may actualy help cause of the igf1 increase
By the way.Heart rate is un affected by ostraine or atleast by my experence.I used a pre workout and felt like a god.Craze plus ostraine...mmmmm
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sounds good, so many things affect your heart rate and/or BP nowadays....seems more stuff does than doesn't....
I was not attacking you personally but when someone says something so definitively there should be a source to back it up. There have been no clinical trials on younger healthy individuals and no trials on over 3 mg per day. I like that your friend is getting blood work for what he is working on but that still is not a clinical trial. What he is doing would be called a case study, which is still a useful tool in studying the affects of a drug, but it can not possibly show all the side effects that a randomized, placebo controlled study would show. I can tell you that you will not find another study besides the one pyrobatt showed because they do not exist. Ostarine is being developed as a drug for muscle wasting diseases and has not even been approved yet by the fda it is still in phase III trials. If you do have a trial on rats that is good, but that doesn't really tell us much with humans.
That is true , and I do agree I can be a d1ck most of the time , appretiate the pacience you have dealing with me , however once I get more info and he gets more of his thesis done I'll present to yah , shall you want to discuss the case study handled here. I did notice it IS showing promise in the muscle wasting department for all I've read with cancer or aids related muscle wasting , which is quite remarkable. I'll just try to hold my tongue on this a bit more hehe...I am sensitive about Osta since I have seen very admirable results in both the rats and my friend so far. I have yet to grow up it seems ^^' forgive my hot headed 21 y.o. ideology...hehe
Hey buddy what OTC PCT did he decide on? I've heard people running things like DAA + Erase Pro and think its ok? I'm considering a run and will possibly go OTC PCT as well! If anyone has ideas or thoughts?
After the last 2 weeks at 50mg ED it was suppressive and he is down week 1 of clomid (on Monday) clomid, erase and DAA