- 05-17-2012, 01:11 PM
never ran either of these before but have run two other cycles of the illicit stuff. im 5' 11" 205lbs and ~14% bf. goal is to bulk cleanly. not looking to cut, just purely bulk but in as clean a way as possible without too much water weight.
pct will be clomid. i also have some AX and triazole but am unsure as to how to incorporate them into my pct. cycle support, a pwo, bcaa, and vitamin are my only other supps besides protein. any suggestions on the pct? never used clomid, only nolva but from my research clomid seems to be the better choice with these two compounds.
anyone run this cycle, how were your results?
- 05-17-2012, 06:53 PM
- 05-17-2012, 11:53 PM
I'm running havoc/epi with a tren clone and its making my muscles a lot harder and tighter...especially after a lift. just run the havoc at 40 mg all the way through. go bold with it. start it day one at 10mg, day two 20 mg, day three 30 mg, and then 40mg the rest of the cycle. i haven't tried the other product though. and as far as your PCT...as long as you have a SERM (which you have) + TB + AI and PCT then your golden! good luck!"Shut the **** up.. and train" - Frank McGrath
05-17-2012, 11:54 PM
im guessing trenazone is a tren clone?
"Shut the **** up.. and train" - Frank McGrath
05-18-2012, 12:52 AM
trenazone is a trans dienolone product. how have your weight gains been? and is your tren clone the same type of product, trans dienolone?
05-18-2012, 10:16 AM
well so far in about a week I've gained 8 lbs and like i said my muscles more tight and harder. and from its chemical structure it seems like a tren clone because its converts to tren. but run the havoc at 40. i haven't experienced any negative sides
"Shut the **** up.. and train" - Frank McGrath
05-18-2012, 02:13 PM
good stuff. cant wait to get started in about a week or 10 days. ill post back here with the progress since it seems like not alot of guys are running this.
05-18-2012, 04:06 PM
05-19-2012, 12:38 AM
05-19-2012, 12:44 AM
05-19-2012, 10:40 AM
Nolva is a no no for a 19nor cycle.
05-19-2012, 04:09 PM
05-19-2012, 04:10 PM
Research nolva and 19nors, you'll see what I mean.Originally Posted by BigBicepBill
05-20-2012, 07:26 AM
i have a bit before i start this cycle and was wondering.... adding in some dermacrine to the stack as a pseudo test base weeks 1-8?
05-23-2012, 09:32 AM
cycle started today. 1.5ml trenazone in the am along with 20mg epi, and another 20mg epi pre workout. 1.5ml of trenazone is alot more oily stuff that i thought it was going to be. i applied it to the clavicle and rubbed it in/spread it with my forearm. is it better to dose the trenazone twice a day or is once fine?
05-23-2012, 11:47 AM
What's the half life?Originally Posted by bigred6347
05-23-2012, 12:23 PM
05-23-2012, 05:07 PM
U could do twice a day, I would.Originally Posted by bigred6347
05-26-2012, 07:04 AM
well 5 days in and i dont know if its mental or if the epi is kicking in but what use to be my 1rm on deads i pulled 4 times today. id say its more than mental though. haven't weighed myself yet since the start but will tomorrow. had crazy pumps throughout my gym time and for some time after. good back/bi's day
05-26-2012, 07:44 AM
No i'd say the epi has kicked in already, I feel it week 1.Originally Posted by bigred6347
05-27-2012, 07:49 AM
ive heard of sdrol making people feel hypo type symptoms but now im kind of wondering if this stack can induce the same. i felt it day three a bit but now im convinced im going to have to eat like a horse, especially up the carbs, with this stack. was having that tired/weak feeling but without actually being weak because my gym sessions have been awesome. upped my carbs and feeling much better especially eating some additional ones pre and post workout.
anyone else get the hypo feeling on epi or trenazone?
05-27-2012, 08:36 AM
Yeah you'll definitely get that feeling when you're not consuming enough carbs on SD, trenazone having similarities to trenbolone can do the same thing also.Originally Posted by bigred6347
05-27-2012, 08:44 AM
05-27-2012, 09:03 AM
Yeah I'm sure the epi and trenazone will keep u lean, I wouldn't worry about fat gain while using those 2 and you're only 500 oer maintenance.Originally Posted by bigred6347
05-27-2012, 09:05 AM
05-27-2012, 10:14 AM
I would see how lean u stay first, or if u get leaner.Originally Posted by bigred6347
05-27-2012, 02:30 PM
sounds good. cardio hasnt suffered either. 5-8 miles runs are going just like before cycle, though the back gets a bit of a pump i just have to not be a bitch about it and keep going. stationary bike is going like before cycle as well. we will see this week how rucking goes, that one might suck with back pumps.
05-27-2012, 02:34 PM
What's rucking?Originally Posted by bigred6347
05-27-2012, 02:40 PM
05-27-2012, 02:43 PM
Ahhhh yes I know what you're talking about now. Yeah that would suck ass with back pumps.Originally Posted by bigred6347
05-27-2012, 08:49 PM
any sides from the tren? I'm currently getting ready for week 3 of hella/tren/stano, hella@ 100mg tomorrow, started having hair loss badly dropped the stano and tren... reduced the hair loss like crazy, now im adding back tren @ 1.5 and so far ok, thinking the DHT from stano was affecting me badly, now just minor shedding but if it gets worse again im going to have to keep tren out =[ Just curious if you having any other sides.
05-27-2012, 08:54 PM
Damn sorry to hear about the sheedding bro.
05-27-2012, 08:58 PM
05-27-2012, 09:14 PM
Yeah it was definitely the Stano.
05-27-2012, 09:17 PM
05-27-2012, 10:32 PM
Yeah I think u should b ok.Originally Posted by SellMeSanity
05-28-2012, 05:08 AM
no sides from either so far, just the hypo type feeling i mentioned earlier that was cured with an increase in carbs spread throughout the day but focusing on pre/post workout.
05-28-2012, 10:08 AM
That's how I increase my carbs too, I find it more efficient for gaining mass but still staying lean.Originally Posted by bigred6347
05-29-2012, 11:19 AM
weighed myself today, up 4 lbs. stregnth is increasing, hypo sides have been solved, good stuff so far. back pumps are starting to kick in but nothing too bad so far. pumps overall in the gym are those awesome on cycle ones that everyone loves. feelin good
05-29-2012, 11:21 AM
Sweet. What day is it?Originally Posted by bigred6347
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