dubfungus
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Stanozolol injection is typically a water-based suspension (there is an oil-based but it's rare) that is more expensive and can cause some pretty stout post-injection pain.Opinions welcome
Interesting about the shbg, but the anecdotal evidence on the liver function I can't accept.Umm, not quite...
The difference between taking oral vs. injectable Winstrol, even though it's technically the same drug, is how and when your body metabolizes it. The initial "first pass" can mean that only a certain portion of the drug reaches your body's bloodstream initially to demonstrate anabolic/nitrogen retention effects right from the start. So in theory, you're going to get more bang for your buck using the injectable form by having more active compound present from the start when using similar doses, but I never saw a difference. They are still metabolized the same in the end, but that doesn't always translate to real world medicine either. There have also been studies that show a significant difference in reduction of SHBG between the oral vs. injectable. So, there certainly are differences other than simply route of administration.
I also had blood work done after having used both at different times that showed moderate differences in my liver function. Same outline to the cycles, different route of winstrol used. Purely anecdotal, but in my experience the oral was more harsh on my liver function.
-T1
And I care why exactly? It's from my own personal experiences with my body to form my own conclusions; not as a scholarly or scientifically proven analytical reference for your science project. Thus why it's called "anecdotal"...but the anecdotal evidence on the liver function I can't accept.
But I wonder what if any metabolites are formed during the first pass this would be the only thing I see that would change how the compounds acts in the body.
I should look more into this.
william llewellyn states oil injectables of dbol and winny should leave a depot in the muscle, allowing for e/o/d injecting.
also, he states there is no difference in hepatotoxicity of injectable methylated steroids, and their tablet counterparts (both dbol & winstrol).
argument over and the winner is..........JBRY
i was just stating what was posted in the latest edition of m&d magazine, you've been on a while, im sure you know how to get in touch with bill if you want to question him on it.Yeah, that proves absolutely nothing.
I find it hilarious how the sheep take everything william llewellyn says like it's gospel. I see know we've gone from water-based to oil-based for convenience or argument...
Where's the supportive/objective science to support that claim? Where's the human studies and blood work that shows direct correlation or contrast of data points? That's right, there isn't any. Do you know what that means?....it's anecdotal, not scientific fact or evidence-based.
What a fukcing joke...
-T1
I understand you are a nurse, student, educated follower all that stuff, but i wouldn't go as far as saying im blind.
You're a classic case of the blind being led by the blind...
-T1
I have zero desire to use him for any type scientific reference, period.i was just stating what was posted in the latest edition of m&d magazine, you've been on a while, im sure you know how to get in touch with bill if you want to question him on it.
I'm sorry, did I specifically point you out for being uneducated or blind? I'm pretty sure I didn't. There never was an "argument" to be won; merely a discussion on a topic. You've mistaken my inference; which granted is easy to do in this setting.I understand you are a nurse, student, educated follower all that stuff, but i wouldn't go as far as saying im blind.
we can agree to disagree, cause neither of us have any proof yet, (but bill stated there were studies on stano's hepatotoxicity, so i'll have to look) but if you know of any studies, i'd be happy for the help.
until then, peace love and happiness. buddy. :thumbsup:
Yeah, that proves absolutely nothing.
I find it hilarious how the sheep take everything william llewellyn says like it's gospel. I see know we've gone from water-based to oil-based for convenience or argument...
Where's the supportive/objective science to support that claim? Where's the human studies and blood work that shows direct correlation or contrast of data points? That's right, there isn't any. Do you know what that means?....it's anecdotal, not scientific fact or evidence-based.
What a fukcing joke...
-T1
Wow...ya I wouldnt dare post anecdotal evidence like YOU did about your experience with winny. I believe you said PURELY ANECDOTAL. I just take williams word over yours thats all.
Agreed, Matt.There was once upon a time a oil based winny like t1 talked about and I swear that stuff at only 25 mgs a day blew oral winny at 25 mgs a day out the damn water. Of course purely anecdotal, but this was pretty amazing stuff at such a mild dose....
The water based such as desma's version is not worth the damn pain and hassle --- if you ever come across the glorious oil base --- consider yourself lucky...
-Matt
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