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    Shall we also point out that everyone has a "genetic barrier" which will at one point or another make that individual get to a genetic "maximum" or huge plateaus to go over and anabolics help them get over said plateau?
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn
    and you know this how?
    Okay maybe i did but i didnt loose a lot of muscle post cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by supraseed48 View Post
    That kid has got to be photo shop...
    The kid suffers from a condition that allows his muscle to grow unabated. You can find multiple pics of him so if it is photoshopped it is done everywhere. Pictures of him doing things a kid his age should not be able to do.

    I find it interesting that out of those 3 pics the one you thought was photo shopped was the closest thing to looking like it should and not the whippet or the cow.

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    muscular weight is often distributed differently when you are on, muscles are fuller...a 160lb guy who was "on" would look 185, while the 160lb guy who was not would look 160. Thats the difference
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeraldNY181 View Post
    muscular weight is often distributed differently when you are on, muscles are fuller...a 160lb guy who was "on" would look 185, while the 160lb guy who was not would look 160. Thats the difference
    Interesting thought process. There are holes in it though. You are forgetting there are tons of ways to increase your insulin sensitivity naturally. Not just being on gear, it does enhance the Glut4 activity, however so does depleting your carbs for a while then reintroducing them. If they both have a good peak week plan they would both come in very full, and very shredded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73

    The kid suffers from a condition that allows his muscle to grow unabated. You can find multiple pics of him so if it is photoshopped it is done everywhere. Pictures of him doing things a kid his age should not be able to do.

    I find it interesting that out of those 3 pics the one you thought was photo shopped was the closest thing to looking like it should and not the whippet or the cow.
    It's just that the head is much larger than the body. Like the body was that of a shrunk down adolescent. Seen those done b4, but ill take ur word on it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Myostatin is the limiting factor in muscle growth. That is why people or animals with a myostatin deficiency grow to excessive musculature without the use of steroids. Like the Belgian Blue or this whippet or for that matter this little boy, who simply is not old enough for testosterone to be a factor. Myostatin inhibits growth, even when on gear, myostatin levels will slow or even stop your growth at the end of a cycle.
    So why don't they just make myostatin inhibitors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperPro

    So why don't they just make myostatin inhibitors?
    Because it is not a simple thing to accomplish. When they have the ability to make a true myostatin inhibitor you will surely know about it because it will be hyoooge news, literally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    Because it is not a simple thing to accomplish. When they have the ability to make a true myostatin inhibitor you will surely know about it because it will be hyoooge news, literally.
    Would probably be dangerous anyway. People use HGH to get huge nowadays but I believe it is much more dangerous than conventional steroids, though the gains are obviously on a whole different scale.
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    They do have some myostatin inhibitors, research companies carry them. Not sure how well they work. They already know how to make them because they have made myostatin inhibitors and tested them on mice with insane results. Here is a picture of mice treated with follistatin which can be purchased from multiple research companies, but is considered not for human consumption so they are legal to by but not use... Most people who use them use them for about 2 weeks at the end of the cycle when myostatin levels are high and slowing growth quite a bit.

    Now how legit the Follistatin that the research companies sell I don't know. You would have to find on that others had good results with but they are available.

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    Remember that growth hormone indiscriminately accelerates growth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Remember that growth hormone indiscriminately accelerates growth.
    AMEN! The intestines are one of the big ones it causes to grow, and then there is the jaw bone too. Everyone wants to have a big mouth right.
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    Not to mention undetected (pre)cancers.
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    I was thinking about that as well, how HGH or IGF-1 causes cancerous cells and pre cancerous cells to grow faster. I read up on that looking into maintaining my prostate and found it. Talk about a drawback.
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    I had an opportunity to be prescribed and was educated on it. I turned it down. Two years later a colonoscopy turned up a 6mm benign precancerous adenoma. Who knows what two years of growth hormone would have done to my mortality.

    Many - most - have no clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    I had an opportunity to be prescribed and was educated on it. I turned it down. Two years later a colonoscopy turned up a 6mm benign precancerous adenoma. Who knows what two years of growth hormone would have done to my mortality.

    Many - most - have no clue.
    WOW that is scary.
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    Family history and or genetic predisposition to cancer? How many users know there's. I knew mine that is why I declined. Turned out to be a very wise decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Remember that growth hormone indiscriminately accelerates growth.
    That's what I wanted to say but couldn't think of how to word it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Family history and or genetic predisposition to cancer? How many users know there's. I knew mine that is why I declined. Turned out to be a very wise decision.
    The only cancer in my family was 1 case of breast cancer but that is a history regardless.
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