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    About to run my first cycle of HDrol.


    What's up boys.

    I'm 5'6", 161 lbs.

    I'm going to be running my first cycle soon. I've ordered everything I need so far except creatine and Nolva, because I'm still trying to find the best research chem site. I will be taking a multi and fish oil throughout the entire cycle.

    1 week pre-load - Hawthorne Berry

    6 week cycle - CEL Hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/75, CEL Cycle Assist

    4 week PCT - Nolva 20/20/10/5, CEL PCT Assist, creatine

    Keeping it short and simple. I've come to the conclusion that an AI is really not needed. I just need to get my hands on some Nolva. What do you guys think?

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    I'd recommend having an ai on hand, don't wanna be up the creek with no paddle. Thats a metaphor for growin boobies. Estrogen rebound after pct is a real thing I speak from experience and you never know what'll happen during cycle. You can find your reliable ChemicalNeeds pretty easily

    Oh and I'd recommend some d aspartic acid as well I usually just do 3g/3/3/3/3/3. I Definitely recommend an ai with d aspartic
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    Quote Originally Posted by mccallister
    I'd recommend having an ai on hand, don't wanna be up the creek with no paddle. Thats a metaphor for growin boobies. Estrogen rebound after pct is a real thing I speak from experience and you never know what'll happen during cycle. You can find your reliable ChemicalNeeds pretty easily

    Oh and I'd recommend some d aspartic acid as well I usually just do 3g/3/3/3/3/3. I Definitely recommend an ai with d aspartic
    I honestly just feel like its a waste. If anything at all I'd probably just buy a cheap AI.

    And btw, I'm looking for nolva tabs.
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    You should grab some DAA, and I don't know why you have come to the conclusion that an AI is unnecessary? Start the DAA and nolva immediately following your cycle. Grab an AI like reversitol v2 or erase/erase pro. If the AI not being useful because you are strapped for cash then unfortunately you shouldn't be running a cycle anyway. Always have everything researched and on hand prior to starting any cycle. Good luck and I trust you will make the smart decision.... Your balls are not something you want to sacrifice bud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift
    You should grab some DAA, and I don't know why you have come to the conclusion that an AI is unnecessary? Start the DAA and nolva immediately following your cycle. Grab an AI like reversitol v2 or erase/erase pro. If the AI not being useful because you are strapped for cash then unfortunately you shouldn't be running a cycle anyway. Always have everything researched and on hand prior to starting any cycle. Good luck and I trust you will make the smart decision.... Your balls are not something you want to sacrifice bud.
    Well since HDrol doesn't aromatize, I've read people saying that an AI isn't needed. You don't wanna block out all estrogen either, it's needed. So since I have an AIO, PCT Assist, I figured that'd be enough to bring my test up and keep estrogen and cortisol down.
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    Creatine on cycle and off cycle. You are going to want erase or a similar AI for pct to stop rebound estro from rapping you. I would also recommend extra h-drol on hand incase you want to up to 100mg. And nolva run 40/20/20/10. Not that 5mg crap.

    If you run erase during pct 0/0/3/3/2/1 should do.

    Thats my input.
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    How many cycles have you run so far OP and what is your age?
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    Quote me ask OP question.... I am confused but flattered.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    How many cycles have you run so far OP and what is your age?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    Quote me ask OP question.... I am confused but flattered.
    Was going to say good post, then got distracted! LOL
    Want to make sure he isn't 20 or anything stupid like that and make sure it isn't his first cycle because 100 mg hdrol is pretty high... I personally would run nolva 20/20/10/10, I did this for my first hdrol cycle and recovered in just days. Then again I ran a SERM/AI/Test boost/DAA/Creatine.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    Was going to say good post, then got distracted! LOL
    Want to make sure he isn't 20 or anything stupid like that and make sure it isn't his first cycle because 100 mg hdrol is pretty high... I personally would run nolva 20/20/10/10, I did this for my first hdrol cycle and recovered in just days. Then again I ran a SERM/AI/Test boost/DAA/Creatine.....
    DAA should be a given these days it is cheap and effective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    DAA should be a given these days it is cheap and effective.
    Yea I was pretty sure there wasn't a person on the planet that thought about running a pct w/o it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil View Post
    Creatine on cycle and off cycle. You are going to want erase or a similar AI for pct to stop rebound estro from rapping you. I would also recommend extra h-drol on hand incase you want to up to 100mg. And nolva run 40/20/20/10. Not that 5mg crap.

    If you run erase during pct 0/0/3/3/2/1 should do.

    Thats my input.
    I saw you talking about taking creatine both on and off cycle on another thread. Aren't you supposed to cycle creatine too?
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    You could if you really wanted to I have heard of people cycling creatine but never saw someone who did who was noticeably bigger or stronger then anyone who didnt cycle it. The idea behind cycling it is that your body stops producing it, which I have yet to see a single study or experiment or survey that shows that actually happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by jpg0923 View Post
    I saw you talking about taking creatine both on and off cycle on another thread. Aren't you supposed to cycle creatine too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants

    I honestly just feel like its a waste. If anything at all I'd probably just buy a cheap AI.

    And btw, I'm looking for nolva tabs.
    Your not going to find tabs as a research chem. Best to have an ai on hand. Unless you really want gyno. I'm not referring to on cycle, although that could happen too. Learn from the mistakes of others. Spend the 40 bucks and be prepared
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    The AI is for estrogen rebound. Just because it doesn't aromitize doesn't mean no gyno. If and AI is to expensive go buy a bra they are cheaper. Throw it in your pct and you will be good :-) (I'm joking get an AI)
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    I'm 21. First cycle. I would not say that I have done ENOUGH research, although I have been researching on and off for probably a year. I believe that I know what I need to know to run the cycle. I know that most people run an AI, but I have read knowledgeable posts from the experienced and wise that say that it's not necessary, as well as preloading isn't necessary. But since I rather be safe, I'll pick up an AI. And nah I'm not really on a budget, I'll spend the money necessary to keep my body safe.

    And you guys are telling me to pick up DAA as a test booster right? So PCT Assist isn't a good enough Tbooster then?

    Why do you advise to use creatine on cycle? I read not to use it on cycle, it will just cause bloat and water weight, but it will be needed off cycle. And I have read many studies and posts and come to the conclusion that cycling creatine is not necessary at all, and the same with loading.

    As for bumping up to 100, I was considering that on my last week if sides are minimal. I have two bottles, so I think that would last me, but I'd have to double check.

    I still need some help with my SERM, so if anyone could PM me I'd appreciate it.
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    Honestly, hate to be the one but you are too young to be jumping on steroids.... No pct assist is not an adequate test boost for a pct. Keep researching and come back in two-three years to run something if your still intrigued. That being said you will probably completely ignore me and run it anyway so here is my advice. You do need to pre-load cycle assist for hdrol no matter what people have said. There are studies out showing blood work that has been as bad as if not worse then bloodwork on sdrol.... I have read these so called "knowledgeable" post's where people imply cycle assist is a scheme. Milk thistle is used as a natural way to treat liver conditions and that can not be debated. It is definitely worth the extra 26 dollars to get that second bottle and pre and post load. Your questions about running post cycle assist as your only test boost, I guess the way I would answer that is how fast do you want to recover? Also how full do you want to recover? In the end you and you only will make the decision's but please take some advice, study for at least another year and I mean study. Most of us that have cycled did years of research before even starting the planning of a cycle. The one's that didn't regret not doing the years of research guaranteed! Good luck buddy.

    Edit: For a first time cycle do not go to 100, it is unnecessary. I personally ran it this way to better gauge sides and to let my body slowly adapt.

    25/50/50/75/75/75/75 seventh week I only ran for 3 days, gained 15 lbs total and had already gained 5 lbs out of the first week at 25. Your low weight will allow you to get gains at lower doses. Just my two cents and personal experience.
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    ^^^ that's good advice. Im 24 and have been lifting close to 7 years but only got serious these last 3. I was 21 and thought I was "ready" had my older cousin who uses gear teach me some stuff. He recommended I wait a year or 2. He helped me perfect my training and diet. During those 2 years I put on 15 lbs of good quality muscle and dropped a lot of body fat. I took basic stuff and some natty test boosters. I kinda plateau'd out at 23 ish and have since run some very successful cycles and I am learning new stuff everyday. All these guys can agree that its a never ending process with diet and training critique. There is no way to know it all and its a learning experience.

    If your gunna run it then good on you too. Do what you think is best and we can help you do it safer. I bet a good diet and some good training can help you drop some bodyfat and put on 5lbs of muscle in the time you will take to cycle and pct... just saying.
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    I take all the advice that I am given. I'm not the type that's stubborn when it comes to that, but I am stubborn when it comes to be told about my age or stuff like that. I mean, I'm aware of the risks I'm taking, but I've made up my mind. I know I could be taking a huge risk with my health. I've actually gained at least ten pounds in the past few weeks, just by eating and eating. I know I don't NEED prohormones, I just want that boost to get me to a size and strength that I'd be satisfied with, and then do the rest of the work naturally.

    So I should preload with the actual Cycle Assist instead of just the Hawthorne berry I ordered? Which means buying another bottle. And I should run it during PCT as well?!

    As far as an AI, I would go with Erase. For a test booster, I'd go with CEL DAA. Am I missing anything?

    And are you suggesting I start my cycle at 25mg?

    Thank you for your help everyone.
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    10lbs in 2 weeks is not muscle. Very little if any actually. Most of it is glycogen storing, water retention and fat. Diet is key. Anyone can smash 4000 cals in a day and gain. I can bulk up dirty and put on 20 lbs in a month (natural). Only about 2-3 lbs will actually be muscle maybe more. Then I have to shred the fat whick takes another month or two just to reveal my new muscles. OR I eat 2500-3000 cals a day cycle my carbs watch what I eat and gain 2-3 lbs of muscle in a month and maybe drop 1-2% in bodyfat.... food for thought. but don't think that 10lbs is muscle that's ignorant.

    All that stuff looks fine. Maybe throw in titanium xl its cheap and usually a good addition to pct.
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    your androgen receptors are virgin. definately start low on the hdrol doses. i think i did similar for my first cycle, 25/50/50/50/75/75 maybe. only difference is i was a bit older.. 26 actually. dont play the my body plateau'd bs. your young. dial your diet and routine in. i still make solid natty gains. just train like a F@#%ing monster, eat big and eat clean and you wont need to juice for a while. play around with natty test boosters like daa and natty ai's for a while. dont go straight into the "big boy gear". if you do use the HDROL, the creatine seemed to help with cramping and "back pumps" along with taurine. i dont know what your daily dose of creatine is, but keep it around 5g of mono or equivalent on the other types. after i cycle i tend to ramp back up to around 10g which is usually what i take year round.

    what help is it your asking for with a SERM? seems to me like your fishing for a source which is totally not cool on these threads from my understanding. you know what to take, you've stated nolva at 20/10/10/10 or something similar. which is correct.

    How long have you been lifting consistently?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mccallister
    I'd recommend having an ai on hand, don't wanna be up the creek with no paddle. Thats a metaphor for growin boobies. Estrogen rebound after pct is a real thing I speak from experience and you never know what'll happen during cycle. You can find your reliable ChemicalNeeds pretty easily

    Oh and I'd recommend some d aspartic acid as well I usually just do 3g/3/3/3/3/3. I Definitely recommend an ai with d aspartic
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    So I'll probably run the cycle at 25/50/50/50/75/75. Not sure about nolva yet. And I never said I gained ten pounds of MUSCLE. I've been working out for almost two years, I have not reached my plateau. I know that it is advised to use prohormones only to break the plateau.
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    I think u r running this at way to low of a dose. I would run it 50 for a day r two then hit 75 on day 4 keep it at 75 till u r ready to bump it. I think ur playing to cautiously
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    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179
    I think u r running this at way to low of a dose. I would run it 50 for a day r two then hit 75 on day 4 keep it at 75 till u r ready to bump it. I think ur playing to cautiously
    I think that might be a little soon to bump to 75.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants View Post
    I think that might be a little soon to bump to 75.
    Don't pay any attention to the guy that is telling you this. He is 200 lbs and hasn't read fully. I was at about your same weight when I ran my first hdrol cycle and I ran it how I stated above with great results. I then ran a mdrol cycle at 10/10/20 which most people would tell you is too low but I had great weight gains at that dose too. You are 21 years old and 160 lbs and this is your first cycle. Leave it as you stated above and don't listen to anyone about raising the dose. They haven't realized what you have stated and probably don't care to. Play it smart don't be enticed by people who don't take the time to read thoroughly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift

    Don't pay any attention to the guy that is telling you this. He is 200 lbs and hasn't read fully. I was at about your same weight when I ran my first hdrol cycle and I ran it how I stated above with great results. I then ran a mdrol cycle at 10/10/20 which most people would tell you is too low but I had great weight gains at that dose too. You are 21 years old and 160 lbs you and this is your first cycle. Leave it as you stated above and don't listen to anyone about raising the dose. They haven't realized what you have stated and probably don't care to. Play it smart don't be enticed by people who don't take the time to read thoroughly.
    He's right, u should adjust according to ur comfort level. At ur weight u'll get great gains at the lower dose. I apologize, i posted advice with out getting informed.
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    I've run HD many times, it's my bread and butter for cycles. This is your first cycle, so keep it simple. Also, I feel clomid is a better choose as a SERM.

    HD 50/75/75/75/75/75
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    PCT:
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    DAA 3mg everyday for 4 weeks
    Forma-Stanzol 10 pumps daily; 5am/5pm

    Remember, diet is going to be key in gains. If you keep carbs around 100-120 daily, protein 1-1.5 grams per pound, you should see some really good, lean gains that you will keep. Keep taking your staples too, i.e. creatine...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed904
    I've run HD many times, it's my bread and butter for cycles. This is your first cycle, so keep it simple. Also, I feel clomid is a better choose as a SERM.

    HD 50/75/75/75/75/75
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    PCT:
    Clomid 50/25/25/25
    DAA 3mg everyday for 4 weeks
    Forma-Stanzol 10 pumps daily; 5am/5pm

    Remember, diet is going to be key in gains. If you keep carbs around 100-120 daily, protein 1-1.5 grams per pound, you should see some really good, lean gains that you will keep. Keep taking your staples too, i.e. creatine...
    Why do you advise Clomid over Nolva? Because its weaker and has less sides?

    What exactly is forma-stanzol? I've heard of it, but I'm not sure. I'm assuming it's an AI.
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    I've only ever ran Nolva and had great recovery personally.
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    Forma is a transdermal AI.

    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants View Post
    Why do you advise Clomid over Nolva? Because its weaker and has less sides?

    What exactly is forma-stanzol? I've heard of it, but I'm not sure. I'm assuming it's an AI.
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    Clomid isn't weaker, they combat different things. Clomid sends signals to your pituitary gland to signal teste recovery and test production. Nolva is pure estrogen control, which is why it is used to combat breast cancer. Nolva doesn't necessarily aid in recovery IMO. They both have side issues, but for me, Nolva makes me feel like ish because I'm not one to really have high estro sides...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed904 View Post
    Clomid isn't weaker, they combat different things. Clomid sends signals to your pituitary gland to signal teste recovery and test production. Nolva is pure estrogen control, which is why it is used to combat breast cancer. Nolva doesn't necessarily aid in recovery IMO. They both have side issues, but for me, Nolva makes me feel like ish because I'm not one to really have high estro sides...
    Some people run them together...I just figured out why with this info.. Thanks. So if Clomid acts like a teste recovery and Nolva prevents estrogen then what's up with Torem? It does both correct?
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    So basically at this point I'm not even 100% sure that I wanna use Nolva.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NewYorkGiants
    So basically at this point I'm not even 100% sure that I wanna use Nolva.
    Lol.. What do you want to run then? You gotta run something!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzie88 View Post
    Lol.. What do you want to run then? You gotta run something!
    At this point I'm thinking whey protein and creatine is all you should be running IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift
    As this point I'm thinking whey protein and creatine is all you should be running IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift
    As this point I'm thinking whey protein and creatine is all you should be running IMHO.
    X2 lol
    The advice I give is just that... Advice, purely my opinion. Not medical advice
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