Statins and Steroids
- 04-17-2012, 07:10 PM
Statins and Steroids
Ok ive searched all over forums trying to find a answer to this and i cant get a straight answer.
I went to the doc and got my bloodwork done, my cholesterol is A-OK everything is fine, but what is high is my triglycerides. They were at 350.
My doc wants me to take Simvastatin 20mg for 3 months to lower it as he says that I cant lower it naturally which i think is bull****. But if i do have to take this medication I am going to stay on cycle, Test and my Dbol, do these statins cause muscle loss? Has anyone taken statins while on cycle?
- 04-17-2012, 07:21 PM
Statins are an option for high triglycerides, but I'd be willing to bet you can lower it naturally. No harm in trying a cycle of Heart-Help(clinically proven to decrease Triglycerides by 38.8%).
In the clinical study they actually showed Heart Help in conjunction with a statin to observe effects. Check it out!
edit: here is a link to directly view the results of the clinical study: http://www.patagonia-goodness-maquib...-Bergamot.htmlHi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager
04-17-2012, 07:24 PM
But that doesnt answer my question, would using statins cause muscle breakdown? Or im sure there is Pro Bodybuilders who use statins??
04-17-2012, 07:27 PM
That being said, if you're on a cycle of gear, the growth difference would not be measurable on statin or off statin...we're talking about micro percentages here.
Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager
04-17-2012, 07:29 PM
04-17-2012, 07:42 PM
Yes, you can still gain while on statins.
Just do your research. Statins are NO joke, and I highly suggest taking a natural route before diving in head first. Either way, make sure you get a 2nd opinion from another doctor just to make sure they have you on the right plan.
best of luck!
Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager
04-17-2012, 07:44 PM
04-17-2012, 07:46 PM
I cant imagine it negatively affecting a cycle using exogenous steroids
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
04-17-2012, 09:13 PM
The only problem could be pathway metabolization. Most statins travel through the liver via CYP3A4 or CYP2C9. I dont know which pathways most orals go through but I would want to know if I were you. Before a statin I would try the natural route or you could ask your doc about Lovaza, which is a new prescription strength fish oil that has studies really dropping those trigylcerides. Good Luck dude.
04-17-2012, 09:19 PM
Yeah i stay on test all year around so i dont see it negatively effecting exogenous hormones either. I was just wondering if i could still grow if i had to take that statin.
04-17-2012, 09:36 PM
Interesting he went straight to statins. There are other things that are more first line for triglycerides if your LDL is in check. Particularly Simvastatin.
Fish Oil 2-4g
Niacin work up to 2,000mg, at night with food and may need to take some things to reduce the flush.
04-18-2012, 09:51 AM
Yes statins cause muscle loss, I red an article about it recently in MD magazine and he suggest Niacin before bed, but niacin is OTC.
while on cycle? I donít know... probably reduce the results.
I found this:
However, a 2011 study (AIM-HIGH) was halted early because patients showed no decrease in cardiovascular events, but did experience an increase in the risk of stroke. These patients already had LDL levels well-controlled by a statin drug, and the aim of the study was to evaluate slow-release niacin (2000 mg per day) to see if raising HDL levels had an additional positive effect on risk. In this study, it did not have such an effect, and appeared to increase stroke risk. The role of niacin in patients whose LDL is not well-controlled (as in the majority of previous studies with niacin) is still under study and debate. However, it does not seem to offer benefits via raising HDL, in patients already lowering LDL by taking a statin.
Stay away from Statins
The use of statins (drugs used to lower cholesterol) is associated with a reduced testis volume and a higher prevalence of hypogonadism-related symptoms and signs; also, statin users have lower levels of total and calculated free T.(5) So if you happen to be taking these drugs, donít be surprised that in addition to lowering your cholesterol, itíll lower the ability of your private parts to Ďstand at attention.í And that ainít good.
statins (e.g. Lipitorģ), may reduce testosterone by reducing the available pool of cholesterol to use in steroidogenesis. Data are conflicting at this time, but it appears that while total testosterone may be reduced, bioavailable testosterone is not affected.12,13 Men started on statins who experience symptoms of androgen deficiency may wish to be more diligent in monitoring testosterone concentrations through their physicians.
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04-18-2012, 10:54 AM
04-18-2012, 11:42 AM
Maybe you should start that for 1-2 weeks and u should go for second professional opinion soon after another blood work.
But I think statins is the best and the only available medical solution for high cholesterol.
My mother uses statins for years but she takes pills for osteoporosis as well because she has osteoporosis.
Maybe you should advice an endocrinologist as well and ask him for something to protect your muscles and your test from statins.
statins are toxic as well but not so harmful
04-18-2012, 11:49 AM
04-18-2012, 11:50 AM
Not sure what too late means? I mean they are pretty high but you haven't even tried lowering them really.
04-18-2012, 11:51 AM
If you want to avoid synthetic satins try Red Yeast Rice. It's technically a natural statin but I prefer natural over synthetic.
04-18-2012, 12:20 PM
I do want to go a natural route, but im scared it wont work and then ill be at risk for heart attack or some ****.
04-18-2012, 02:31 PM
K so i bought
Red Yeast Rice
and Garlic Extract
Take these for about 2 months and get levels tested?
Was gonna do 3 of each. I hear garlic is good for cholesterol (mine is already good anyways) maintenance.
Hopefully the Fish/Flaxseed Oils and the RYR will lower my triglycerides?
04-18-2012, 03:04 PM
At 350 and good cholesterol and being active your not at any risk of an immediate heart attack or anything.
Cholesterol is not a very good indicator of ischemic risk anyway.
04-18-2012, 03:08 PM
2 months is probably enough time to get them checked and see where you are.
I would seriously go with Niacin as well, it was made into an RX drug for a reason so it is FDA indicated for lowering trigs.
04-18-2012, 05:24 PM
04-18-2012, 05:45 PM
04-18-2012, 06:05 PM
04-18-2012, 07:09 PM
Real answer: maybe, I couldn't guarantee you anything. Some people's genetics predispose them to high CHOL/TRIGs but these are the best things you can do to try. The diet would be to cut out processed carbs and sugar.
There should not be any negative effects with the combination. Only possible thing is there's no telling how much natural lovastatin is in RYR so the combination could increase muscle soreness. Would t think about it to much but is a possibility.
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