Really? Wow... I thought 250 would at most get you to about 2000
Hey guys, thanks for the response. I was talking about a cycle. I've seen a post where 300mg/week vs 600mg/week gave 11 vs 17 lbs. The sides seem to be less on the 300mg/week. 250mg/week is pretty close to 300mg/week.
I've read a lot of posts that said 250mg/week worked well for them (gaining 10 - 15 lbs in a 10 week cycle) From what I've read, it's supposed to be 2.5 x's above natural.
I've also read a lot of posts saying that 250mg/week isn't enough, but it's normally from people that have never tried it or know anyone that has tried it.
I'm 35 and I'm also kind of worried about MPB, so I thought the lower the better for sides. This is my first cycle in like 14 years. I realize this cycle will also shut me down, but I also don't want to turn in to a monster overnight so it's blatantly obvious. It seems like test is the best choice if you take it w/ propecia for MPB. I had issues w/ my last cycle when I was like 21-22 but I had no idea what I was doing and didn't even do PCT. I did like 5 weeks of 1 sus 250 per week. I actually got decently big off it, not ridiculous, but went from like 190 to 197 and lost fat. Kind of the goal of what I'm looking to do here.
Anyway, here is the article I saw:
Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men — AJP - Endo
The following text outlines the benefits and risks of Testosterone administration based on a clinical human trial of 61 healthy men in 2001. The purpose of the trial was to determine the dose dependency of testosterone’s effects on fat-free mass and muscle performance. In this trial 61 men, 18-35years old were randomized into 5 groups receiving weekly injections of 25, 50, 125, 300, 600 mg of Testosterone Enanthate for 20 weeks. They had previous weight-lifting experience and normal T levels. Their nutritional intake was standardized and they did not undertake any strength training during the trial. The only two groups that reported significant muscle building benefits were the 300 and 600 mg groups so any dose lower than 300mg will not be considered in this essay. 12 men participated in the 300 mg group and 13 men in the 600 mg group.
600mg of Testosterone a week for 20 weeks resulted in the following benefits. Increased fat free mass, muscle strength, muscle power, muscle volume, hemoglobin and IGF-1.
The same 600 mg administration resulted in 2 side effects. HDL cholesterol was negatively correlated and 2 men developed acne.
The normal range for total T in men is 241-827 ng/dl according to Labcorp and 260-1000 ng/dl according to Quest Laboratories. The normal range for IGF-1 is 81-225 according to Labcorp.
Total T and IGF-1 levels were taken after 16 weeks and resulted in the following;
Total Testosterone
300 mg group-1,345 ng/dl a 691 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-2,370 ng/dl a 1,737 ng increase from baseline
IGF-1
300 mg group-388 ng/dl a 74 ng increase from baseline
600 mg group-304 ng/dl a 77 ng increase from baseline
Body composition was measured after 20 weeks.
Fat Free Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-5.2kg (11.4lbs) increase
600 mg group-7.9kg (17.38lbs) increase
Fat Mass by underwater weighing
300 mg group-.5kg (1.1lbs) decrease
600 mg group-1.1kg (2.42lbs) decrease
Thigh Muscle Volume
300 mg group-84 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-126 cubic centimeter increase
Quadriceps Muscle Volume
300 mg group-43 cubic centimeter increase
600 mg group-68 cubic centimeter increase
Leg Press Strength
300 mg group-72.2kg (158.8lbs) increase
600 mg group-76.5kg (168.3lbs) increase
Leg Power
300 mg group-38.6 watt increase
600 mg group-48.1 watt increase
Hemoglobin
300 mg group-6.1 gram per liter increase
600 mg group-14.2 gram per liter increase
Plasma HDL Cholesterol
300 mg group-5.7 mg/dl decrease
600 mg group-8.4 mg/dl decrease
Acne
300 mg group-7 of the 12 men developed acne
600 mg group-2 of the 13 men developed acne
There were no significant changes in PSA or liver enzymes at any dose up to 600mg. However, long-term effects of androgen administration on the prostate, cardiovascular risk, and behavior are unknown. The study demonstrated that there is a dose dependant relationship with testosterone administration. In other words the more testosterone administered the greater the muscle building effects and potential for side effects.