What would some of you PH gurus suggest for a test base in the PH realm? I'm thinking of a test base stacked with epi.
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and we actually wrote it the same exact way, capitals and all.:laughing:i was gonna say, is there an echo?
Ya the original was good shiitI used to stack 4ad with everything.
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I'm talking about the old stuffWhen you guys say 4-ad does that mean the new stuff or the old stuff. I was looking at the new stuff, but wasn't sure how it compared to the old stuff.
The fact that one is otc and the other is not is the answer to that. If they were both illegal, then yes that would be pretty logical IMO.why not just use test since you are already using a steroid? epi is a steroid. only commonly referred to as a ph because you can buy it otc.
agreed, but i read it differently. i read it as he wanted to stay with "ph's" possibly not knowing that epi is an actual steroid. youd be surpised what people DONT know on these boardsThe fact that one is otc and the other is not is the answer to that. If they were both illegal, then yes that would be pretty logical IMO.
Yeah I always wondered why everyone called epi a PH it is clearly a steroid.agreed, but i read it differently. i read it as he wanted to stay with "ph's" possibly not knowing that epi is an actual steroid. youd be surpised what people DONT know on these boards
4-DHEA=1-androsten-3b-ol-17-one / 4-Dehydroepiandrosteronewhats the nomenclature of 4AD? Is 4AD the same as M14ADD (Methyl-1,4 androstenediol)??
im talking about the new stuff. 4-dheaWhen you guys say 4-ad does that mean the new stuff or the old stuff. I was looking at the new stuff, but wasn't sure how it compared to the old stuff.
well, if you mean the old 4ad, that was 4-androstenediol, m14add is methyl 1,4 androstenediol (so methyl bodiol)whats the nomenclature of 4AD? Is 4AD the same as M14ADD (Methyl-1,4 androstenediol)??
this goes for all pro hormones. no one knows how much will convert, how much will bind with/interact with the androgen receptor, or how much will convert into inactive metabolites.Idk I am still up in the air with OTC test products you have no idea how much conversion you are getting and could end up getting very little and shelling out $40 for nothing.
Yes, understood. However, the idea of a test base is to improve how you feel and possibly avoid certain side effects. I have had friends use OTC test base products with the same compound in the same conditions and have seen absolutely no improvement of sides such as lethargy. So I would rather try a compound first and see how I react to it and save my $40 before I buy a product that may do nothing at all to contribute to my cycle. The OP may feel different, though.this goes for all pro hormones. no one knows how much will convert, how much will bind with/interact with the androgen receptor, or how much will convert into inactive metabolites.
this goes for all pro hormones.
And a weak one at that.Yeah I always wondered why everyone called epi a PH it is clearly a steroid.
I never understood the difference. What people call prohormones are usually designer steroids so what is an actual PH?Yeah I always wondered why everyone called epi a PH it is clearly a steroid.
oh, really? have you ever seen any data to support this "idea"Yes, understood. However, the idea of a test base is to improve how you feel and possibly avoid certain side effects..
testosterone is a pro hormone.I never understood the difference. What people call prohormones are usually designer steroids so what is an actual PH?
correction, zero conversion to estrogen.And a weak one at that.
I say stack it with Phera. Yes I know it was banned however for whatever reason it is relatively easy to get your hands on along with x-tren - hassle-free I might add.
Pheraplex has a good anabolic:androgenic ratio. It is nearly twice as androgenic as testosterone and has only little conversion to estrogen. Someone needs to modify this compound, molecularly fix the conversion issue altogether, and put it on the market again. It was and is a fantastic mass builder.
My point is I do not think the cost of the test base is necessarily worth the benefits. Just my opinion. And if you have to use double or triple the dose of one of these products to make it effective then that is very misleading from the company that defines the effective dose for their product. I don't think it is worth $40 and I especially do not think it is worth 2 or 3 times that amount. At that point it is more expensive than just buying test.oh, really? have you ever seen any data to support this "idea"
and your friends just aren't dosing it properly. you think 40 bucks is gonna get you anything from a 2 step pro hormone? no.
you'll need at the least 2 bottles for a 4 week cycle, and more if you want to run 6-8 weeks.
you can use pp's andromass, it's good stuff, and one bottle is enough for a nice test base. but i'd rather have 2 of theirs as well.
I hope so.....I invested in 2 AMv2 and 1 AMv3 so I can run 11-12 weeks at 6 a day....and I want to run deca at 400mg per week for 9 weeks. would rather do 2 9-weekers at 400mg per week than 2 12-weekers at 300mg per week. and it gives me the 2-3 week overshoot of the AM everybody was suggesting. Only into the AM's for ~300 and change....not bad for 3 bottles/12 weeks worth at full dose. just hope it works as advertised...I guess use some dermacrine as well since its being produced by BPS now.oh, really? have you ever seen any data to support this "idea"
and your friends just aren't dosing it properly. you think 40 bucks is gonna get you anything from a 2 step pro hormone? no.
you'll need at the least 2 bottles for a 4 week cycle, and more if you want to run 6-8 weeks.
you can use pp's andromass, it's good stuff, and one bottle is enough for a nice test base. but i'd rather have 2 of theirs as well.
At the end of the day, Testosterone by itself is the best option. In fact, I'm so impressed with test-e that I think I'll just always use it stand alone or with mast-e for estro control. But I thought the OP said legality was his issue, thus the need for an oral test base.. I'm for Phera or Andro seriesMy point is I do not think the cost of the test base is necessarily worth the benefits. Just my opinion. And if you have to use double or triple the dose of one of these products to make it effective then that is very misleading from the company that defines the effective dose for their product. I don't think it is worth $40 and I especially do not think it is worth 2 or 3 times that amount. At that point it is more expensive than just buying test.
Yeah you are right I wasn't suggesting that the OP use test because he did say he wanted otc. I was just saying my personal opinion when it comes to cost vs effectiveness of otc test bases. I suppose if money is not an issue the cost doesn't matter. Finances suck while in college, though lol.At the end of the day, Testosterone by itself is the best option. In fact, I'm so impressed with test-e that I think I'll just always use it stand alone or with mast-e for estro control. But I thought the OP said legality was his issue, thus the need for an oral test base.. I'm for Phera or Andro series
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