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  1. Test base


    What would some of you PH gurus suggest for a test base in the PH realm? I'm thinking of a test base stacked with epi.

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  2. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    4AD
    Jinx

  3. I'm a little quicker on the draw then you
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  4. And I know, that's what she said.

  5. i was gonna say, is there an echo?

  6. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    i was gonna say, is there an echo?
    and we actually wrote it the same exact way, capitals and all.

  7. I used to stack 4ad with everything.

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  8. Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    I used to stack 4ad with everything.

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    Ya the original was good shiit

  9. what about d-plex? converts to dht. it's part of my next cycle

  10. ......and dermacrine. double whammy.

  11. When you guys say 4-ad does that mean the new stuff or the old stuff. I was looking at the new stuff, but wasn't sure how it compared to the old stuff.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Sinister
    When you guys say 4-ad does that mean the new stuff or the old stuff. I was looking at the new stuff, but wasn't sure how it compared to the old stuff.
    I'm talking about the old stuff

  13. why not just use test since you are already using a steroid? epi is a steroid. only commonly referred to as a ph because you can buy it otc.

    as for 4ad(new) and derm. well theres no guarantee youll get a good conversion to test

  14. Quote Originally Posted by ambulldog View Post
    why not just use test since you are already using a steroid? epi is a steroid. only commonly referred to as a ph because you can buy it otc.
    The fact that one is otc and the other is not is the answer to that. If they were both illegal, then yes that would be pretty logical IMO.

  15. How much test for a base on a PH to recomp (a generalization)?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    The fact that one is otc and the other is not is the answer to that. If they were both illegal, then yes that would be pretty logical IMO.
    agreed, but i read it differently. i read it as he wanted to stay with "ph's" possibly not knowing that epi is an actual steroid. youd be surpised what people DONT know on these boards

  17. Quote Originally Posted by ambulldog View Post
    agreed, but i read it differently. i read it as he wanted to stay with "ph's" possibly not knowing that epi is an actual steroid. youd be surpised what people DONT know on these boards
    Yeah I always wondered why everyone called epi a PH it is clearly a steroid.

  18. whats the nomenclature of 4AD? Is 4AD the same as M14ADD (Methyl-1,4 androstenediol)??
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    whats the nomenclature of 4AD? Is 4AD the same as M14ADD (Methyl-1,4 androstenediol)??
    4-DHEA=1-androsten-3b-ol-17-one / 4-Dehydroepiandrosterone

    NO
    Methyl 1,4-AD=17a-methyl-1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-diol


    1,4-AD (Boldione)=1,4-androstadiene-3b,17b-dione

  20. cool. thanks.
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  21. I was looking for something legal. I am not able to obtain illegal AAS. I dont have gym connections and I'm not willing to try the mail order route, at least not yet.

    As for the old 4-ad, it's no longer available, legally anywhere is it?

  22. Idk I am still up in the air with OTC test products you have no idea how much conversion you are getting and could end up getting very little and shelling out $40 for nothing. You may not even need a test base for epi I am on week 3 right now and i feel great with no test base. Felt horrible lethargy at this time when I ran hdrol. Loving epi so far tho (running it at 40 mg)

  23. 4androsterone/ 4ad rde from AMS.
    E-Pharm Rep... PM me with any questions or concerns

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Sinister View Post
    When you guys say 4-ad does that mean the new stuff or the old stuff. I was looking at the new stuff, but wasn't sure how it compared to the old stuff.
    im talking about the new stuff. 4-dhea

  25. Quote Originally Posted by StangBanger View Post
    whats the nomenclature of 4AD? Is 4AD the same as M14ADD (Methyl-1,4 androstenediol)??
    well, if you mean the old 4ad, that was 4-androstenediol, m14add is methyl 1,4 androstenediol (so methyl bodiol)

  26. Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    Idk I am still up in the air with OTC test products you have no idea how much conversion you are getting and could end up getting very little and shelling out $40 for nothing.
    this goes for all pro hormones. no one knows how much will convert, how much will bind with/interact with the androgen receptor, or how much will convert into inactive metabolites.

    this goes for all pro hormones.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    this goes for all pro hormones. no one knows how much will convert, how much will bind with/interact with the androgen receptor, or how much will convert into inactive metabolites.

    this goes for all pro hormones.
    Yes, understood. However, the idea of a test base is to improve how you feel and possibly avoid certain side effects. I have had friends use OTC test base products with the same compound in the same conditions and have seen absolutely no improvement of sides such as lethargy. So I would rather try a compound first and see how I react to it and save my $40 before I buy a product that may do nothing at all to contribute to my cycle. The OP may feel different, though.
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