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    Please help with my first PH cycle


    Hey guys ive been doing tons of researching and i think i have everything i need figured out, just want to make sure before i order everything and start taking a PH. any advice or positive criticism will be greatly appreciated. this is what im thinking a four week cycle.
    2 weeks prior to cycle start ai cycle support
    havoc or epistane?
    additional supps while on cycle are gonna be ai cycle support, liv.52, omega 3
    and for PCT nolvadex and ai post cycle support.

    is this right because im new to this and want to make sure i do it right, i think i know the right amounts to dose but if you guys could tell me ur opinions on dosing and how many bottles of each thing i need and epistane or havoc? i will really appreciate anything u guys have to say.

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    so you want to run Epistane?
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    yes or havoc from what ive read its supposed to be a good first PH not too hard on u if u take the right things with it
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    Haha yes i know all about epistane/havoc

    How long do you plan on running epi/havoc?

    Age?
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    You got the right idea bud... Throw a multi in there and pct I would get some daa and some erase still. AI pct is good but won't do with just nolva
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    thinkin about four weeks maybe five which one would u recommend havor or epistane or any other u think r good ones for a first timer
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    Age for sure?
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    so my on cycle stuff looks good as it is?? and for PCT take nolvadex daa and erase can u tell me doses for my PCT please
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    Epi 20/20/30/30/40
    Cycle assist

    PCT:
    Nolva 40/20/20/10
    Daa 3/3/3/3
    Erase 0/1/2/3/3/2/1
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    ok so i got the nolva stuff down i know what it is and how much to use so i use the daa for four weeks at 3 pills a day? or grams? and erase for 7 weeks? is it pills or grams also? i appreciate the quick replys a lot, u guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494
    Epi 20/20/30/30/40
    Cycle assist

    PCT:
    Nolva 40/20/20/10
    Daa 3/3/3/3
    Erase 0/1/2/3/3/2/1
    This looks good... I'd do daa all the way through pct at 3g ed and erase day one of pct 1/2/3/3/2/1
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    ok so on my PCT do i take nolva all at once everyday or throughout the day and daa all at once or thoughout the day and same with erase?
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    You take nolva once a day, at the same time everyday. I will down my erase with my nolva. Daa just take 30 minutes preworkout
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunkman1
    ok so on my PCT do i take nolva all at once everyday or throughout the day and daa all at once or thoughout the day and same with erase?
    Yes take 40mg of nolvadex every day for first 2 weeks then 20mg for next 2 weeks. You don't need to take different times of day they have a long half life. And take daa when ever you want. And take erase thought out the day. (this will happen when you get to the 2 and 3 days
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    ok guys i really appreciate it and i guess my last question is, is there a certain brand or type of epi yall recommend and certain type of daa and erase
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunkman1
    ok guys i really appreciate it and i guess my last question is, is there a certain brand or type of epi yall recommend and certain type of daa and erase
    Erase is PES and daa doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregg1494

    Yes take 40mg of nolvadex every day for first 2 weeks then 20mg for next 2 weeks. You don't need to take different times of day they have a long half life. And take daa when ever you want. And take erase thought out the day. (this will happen when you get to the 2 and 3 days
    Is do 40/20/20/10 lol not 40/40/20/20
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    got it thanks man
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    so any type of epi about the same or is there a better choice
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    is there a brand of Epi thats best or they all about the same
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    Like u mentioned havoc is good, also IBE, transform and prob a few others. I personally would go with one of those 3. Also u might want to look at extending ur cycle to 6 weeks. Especially if u don't notice any sides. Cause epi takes usually about 2 weeks or more to really kick in and ur prob going to have to get 2 bottles anyway so u will have extra to use. I'm running a cycle now and I'd have to check my log for the exact day but think I finally felt it kick in like day 16-17.
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    Plus the extra week wouldn't change any of ur pct
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    ok but this is my very first PH cycle so u still reccomend 6 weeks or just four?
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    I personally would go 6. Unless for some reason u start to see bad sides at week 4 or 5. But I doubt that, I'd get some glucosamine to run though. One of biggest complaints with epi is it can dry out ur joints. everything airborne and Greg posted is right on so u should be g2g
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate007
    I personally would go 6. Unless for some reason u start to see bad sides at week 4 or 5. But I doubt that, I'd get some glucosamine to run though. One of biggest complaints with epi is it can dry out ur joints. everything airborne and Greg posted is right on so u should be g2g
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    alright thanks so much guys
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    I'd skip on Havoc (brand wise). Its pretty old (literally, they haven't manufactured it in quite a bit), and I've heard the last batch made expired in Aug 2011. I'd go with something like Epi-strong or LGI or whatever you hear is reputable and newly made (I hear epi-strong always being made and new batches, etc). There is speculation that Epi has a short self life. I gained nothing off my 20/30/30/40/50/50 cycle (literally less than I do normally, and I am a huge MESO) when i took mine in Aug 2011 (also my first and only cycle)
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    thats what i read on havoc too people werent makin gains on it a lot now most said probably bc of the age.
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    so any type of Daa is good bc idk what kind to get
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    Just buy bulk daa. Nutra has it
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    ok thank u
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    does anyone know how much to dose cycle support bc i need to know if i need to order two cans of it
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    use recommened dosage
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    just to be clear u guys think ill b fine taking all this and only being 21 i know its a lighter PH and taken right with good PCT i should be fine just wanting advice from others who know more than i do
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    I'd say 25-26 with years of lifting... I would say no below 21... I'm 22 but I have been researching for years also I didn't pick up ph's till I was 22 and got to 220 naturally. Benchin 350
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    r u glad u used em or if u could go back u wouldnt use em
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