Best cycle to improve secondary male characteristics

[T-Bone]

Is this sort of what you want you voice to sound like?

[T-Bone]

This is what my voice sounded like on Androhard,

[tstarks]

yeah i dunno where you guys are going with this, but i wasn't talking about genitels. To those that gave actual advice: thank you. So, here's what i think...if something related to DHT is needed for the purpose, AND a longer cycle may be needed for the effects to to show up (or maybe not at my age), what about doing something like giving proviron a try at about maybe 50mg per day indefinitly, (because it doesn't shut down production??), with maybe some rogaine (even tho i'm not prone to hairloss, can't hurt), and nettle (?) for possible prostate problems. Worth a try?

[Gerbil]

Please tell me you told your girl to call you Black Velvet.

This is what my voice sounded like on Androhard,

[Gerbil]

The only way you are changing your jawline is under a scalpel, sorry to tell you. DHT might lower your register but cant be guaranteed.

yeah i dunno where you guys are going with this, but i wasn't talking about genitels. To those that gave actual advice: thank you. So, here's what i think...if something related to DHT is needed for the purpose, AND a longer cycle may be needed for the effects to to show up (or maybe not at my age), what about doing something like giving proviron a try at about maybe 50mg per day indefinitly, (because it doesn't shut down production??), with maybe some rogaine (even tho i'm not prone to hairloss, can't hurt), and nettle (?) for possible prostate problems. Worth a try?

[RH2012]

it wont work dude. like gerbil said you need surgery for that jaw thing. and the voice, try 4 packs a day of camel non-filtered.

[tstarks]

Okay, i see your point guys, thanks for the serious responses. BUT......if you could answer just one more question, something which i don't understand at this point: women can experience virilization symptoms (angular jaw, deepening voice)at any age quite easily with the dht compounds mentioned (proviron, masteron..). why would it not be the same with a man, only much less? does a women's skull never completely harden or something? are their faces like silly putty that they can be changed at any time after maturity? as far as i know, their traits become "cemented" at a certain age too...but yet how is it that a man's face cannot be effected in any way after this age and a women's can?

[Gerbil]

99% of changing of secondary sexual traits like chins that I have read on have been people before the end of puberty. Most of the studies that come to mind is research on pseudo-hermaphroditism and research on the east german womens swim team.

[tstarks]

so, even with women it has to be before the end of puberty?

[Gerbil]

Even look at professional body builders their chin structures dont appear to change even though they are on more gear then 90% of AAS users.

[RH2012]

in all seriousness, i've never researched anything like this. i've head that hgh will cause bone growth but idk. if i was going to get on an androgen indefinately, it would be testosterone. proviron doesn't seem to be very suppressive and low doses, probably because its so weak. the benefit to women BB's is mostly through an anti-estrogen effect.

The dihydrotestosterone (DHT) derivative mesterolone has only partial androgenicity (Nieschlag and Behre, 2004) and is therefore rarely used today.
http://humupd.oxfordjournals.org/content/10/5/409.full

[WARBIRDWS6]

Even look at professional body builders their chin structures dont appear to change even though they are on more gear then 90% of AAS users.

not so sure about that one....the more androgenic gear women use, the more they appear to look like men and the deeper their voice gets and the bigger their clit gets. lets be real here, go look at some of the larger women who abuse the shyt out of gear.....they are getting some secondary male characteristics and then some from being on gear. and they are far from pubescence so this protocol seems to "work" for females.....just not males. not permanently at least in males. I bet if you flooded a boy in puberty with test and DHT etc he'd get this desired effect, along with all sorts of other bad stuff I assume....I doubt anybody ever tried it, and I don't think its any kind of ethical either.

[ejschmidt]

Jack Daniels, Diesel, Marb-Reds and a good manual labor job. These things turned me into a man.

[RH2012]

not so sure about that one....the more androgenic gear women use, the more they appear to look like men and the deeper their voice gets and the bigger their clit gets. lets be real here, go look at some of the larger women who abuse the shyt out of gear.....they are getting some secondary male characteristics and then some from being on gear. and they are far from pubescence so this protocol seems to "work" for females.....just not males. not permanently at least in males. I bet if you flooded a boy in puberty with test and DHT etc he'd get this desired effect, along with all sorts of other bad stuff I assume....I doubt anybody ever tried it, and I don't think its any kind of ethical either.

some of the female bodybuilders may actually be men. i dont think anybody is checking. lol

[WARBIRDWS6]

some of the female bodybuilders may actually be men. i dont think anybody is checking. lol

no joke. and some of these olympic athletes are coming up as men when they are registered as women have you ever listened to that college girl brittney griner from baylor NCAA basketball team speak? 100% male voice and she is, of course, extremely tall (6'8") and athletic. I swore I was listening to a college guy speak. not sure what that is all about..........

[RH2012]

no joke. and some of these olympic athletes are coming up as men when they are registered as women have you ever listened to that college girl brittney griner from baylor NCAA basketball team speak? 100% male voice and she is, of course, extremely tall (6'8") and athletic. I swore I was listening to a college guy speak. not sure what that is all about..........

lol my first thought about this post was-- well he could put on a wig and become a lesbian. now that you mention it, a "female athlete" would be another possibility.

[WARBIRDWS6]

c'mon man

[T-Bone]

Seriously the OP needs to see a shrink about this "problem". I haven't seen anyone ask "Why?". Well why do you have this need to increase your "maleness"?. Not that I'm qualified to answer this question. Seriously though, seek professional help. Have you talked to anyone else about this?. Psychological problems can not be solved by steroid use.

[Gerbil]

I like the adams apple that I believe is visible or she has a very large and oddly shaped thyroid gland.

c'mon man

[WARBIRDWS6]

yeah if you go to youtube and check out the comments below the vid.....there are about 100 mentions of the adams apple and "thats a dude! he fuqed my GF in high school, that bastard!!" LMFAO....some of the people seem like they are really pissed, and its actually a guy who F'ed their girl by the way they posted