- 03-20-2012, 02:45 PM
- 03-20-2012, 03:06 PM
03-20-2012, 03:12 PM
that looks about right..some one i know who is pretty huge and ripped said 2 days on one day off..n i think if yu wanna run it straight through a cycle along with anabolics yud use a anti histamine..dont quote me though
03-20-2012, 06:31 PM
03-20-2012, 07:38 PM
Use ketotifen for beta - 2 upregulation. I do not believe that benadryl does the same.
Use clen for 4-6 weeks MAX *(and that is pushin it) because while receptors down regulate --- it is still working and burning fat ,,, you are just used to it.
TO really stay fresh -- do clen for 1 week on 1 week off ....I hate the 2 days on 2 off since clen is active for 36 hours....
03-20-2012, 08:19 PM
Hmmmm Matt: what do you think of a 2 week on protocol using a dosing pattern like:
80/40/0(repeated) with the 0 day not for any "fresh/clear" type stuff, but to help limit systemic buildup somewhat.
-Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
-Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
*I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*
03-20-2012, 09:23 PM
Not to doubt you Matt but I've seen studies where ketofen is useless for clen. I don't remember the abstracts as it was about 6 months ago. But it basically was that keto was bro science and just cycling 2 weeks on and off is enough to clean out
03-21-2012, 10:21 AM
Yes Benadryl CAN upgrade, its an anti-histamine, which unlike Keto will effect all your beta receptors, although clen only effects your beta-2 as ephedrine effects beta-2 and beta-3.
03-21-2012, 11:23 AM
Once again, I know people use it but I've seen multiple studies that say otherwise and that it has no use. I'll try to find themOriginally Posted by uniifirex
03-21-2012, 04:47 PM
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I believe I had some people I have helped start clen from the start in a unique fashion --- something like clen 4 days on mon-Th --- then 3 days off fri-sun ---Then as they progressed into the contest prep -- around 6 weeks out --- we just went everyday straight through.....
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03-22-2012, 02:34 PM
If your wanting localized fat burn try Clenviscerate. 2 on 2 off plus Alpha T2 and CLA. Working great for me down just 2 lbs but I've lost 1-1.5% BF. Also using 5aOHP for my recomp.
03-22-2012, 03:01 PM
03-22-2012, 03:21 PM
I use topical yohimbine and capsaizen and believe it does help stubborn fatty deposits as heat is now being localized in the target area (which usually is very vaso-constricted) w/poor blood flow.
Binding to alpha-2 receptors first makes sense -- I can only go off of empirical evidence from personal use.
03-22-2012, 03:38 PM
03-22-2012, 03:51 PM
I don't know much about the science of this stuff but there are lots of logs out there that says it works and it's suppose to be local. I use 100mcg in the morning and have not had any clen sides. All I can say is I've ran different PHs in the past for fat loss with a low carb diet and I've never had these results with mid section fat loss.Originally Posted by uniifirex
03-22-2012, 04:18 PM