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    First PH Stack? What's good for a beginner.


    I am looking at trying a PH but not sure what is mild but will do the job. I am currently 5'11, 144 pounds and looking to put on about 10 pounds. My buddy suggested Epistane but I wanted to come on here and listen to what you guys had to say. Any help would be appreciated!

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    At your stats bro you have a ton ton ton of natural growth left...if you can't gain muscle at your stats without a PH then you would just be wasting time and harming yourself using one....what's your diet and training routine like?
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    Not old enough. Not enough training/diet experience/knowledge.
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    Well besides a PH, what do you suggest to gain size? I try and eat as much as possible in a day but it's hard when you can't eat on the job.
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    if you are absolutely dead set on taking a steroid (which at your stats i dont recomend, at least not until you hit atleast 170 lbs and a couple more years with mild/low bodyfat id say) then yes epistane would be a good starter for you, id probably dose it at 20/20/20/30 mg or 20/20/30/40 mg for a 4 week cycle being as its your first cycle id probably go with the 20/20/20/30 dosing, you should have a proper pct on hand before you start the cycle, even though epistane is a milder steroid it will shut down your natural testosterone production, nolvadex is not too hard to get and dosed at 30/20/20/10 for 4 week pct of epistane should be just fine and get your hpta back in working order (probably throw in a natty test booster like daa or an ai if you want)

    now at your stats i dont really recommend taking epistane just yet, instead id probably say for you to take a protein shake after your workouts, do heavy lifting 3-4 days/week, get your diet in check you should be on a bulking diet of about 2,500-3000 calories a day and at least 100g+ of protein/day

    id suggest a preworkout drink for you something like jack3d or NO explode throw in some bcaa's, or maybe a testosterone booster like d aspartic acid at 3g/day (its pretty cheap and effective)

    if you want to still take a steroid, but dont want to do the pct id recomend a natty anabolic called anabeta i havent tryed this myself yet but ive herd great things about it, its natural, doesnt shut your testosterone production down doesnt require a pct, and some people are saying its pretty close to steroid like gains on it

    all that aside though, no steroid will make you gain muscle if your diet and training are not in check so make sure you perfect your diet/training first, just my 2 cents
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chefbolic View Post
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    maybe some beefadrol too? :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by oehawks3 View Post
    Well besides a PH, what do you suggest to gain size? I try and eat as much as possible in a day but it's hard when you can't eat on the job.
    How many cals are you getting and what are your macro ratios. after you get that stuff figured out add creatine. If you cant eat to grow now then doing a cycle will be useless because you have to bump up your caloric intake and protein intake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdidimox

    maybe some beefadrol too? :P
    Is that the pro hormone to beefbol-enanthate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdidimox View Post
    if you are absolutely dead set on taking a steroid (which at your stats i dont recomend, at least not until you hit atleast 170 lbs and a couple more years with mild/low bodyfat id say) then yes epistane would be a good starter for you, id probably dose it at 20/20/20/30 mg or 20/20/30/40 mg for a 4 week cycle being as its your first cycle id probably go with the 20/20/20/30 dosing, you should have a proper pct on hand before you start the cycle, even though epistane is a milder steroid it will shut down your natural testosterone production, nolvadex is not too hard to get and dosed at 30/20/20/10 for 4 week pct of epistane should be just fine and get your hpta back in working order (probably throw in a natty test booster like daa or an ai if you want)

    now at your stats i dont really recommend taking epistane just yet, instead id probably say for you to take a protein shake after your workouts, do heavy lifting 3-4 days/week, get your diet in check you should be on a bulking diet of about 2,500-3000 calories a day and at least 100g+ of protein/day

    id suggest a preworkout drink for you something like jack3d or NO explode throw in some bcaa's, or maybe a testosterone booster like d aspartic acid at 3g/day (its pretty cheap and effective)

    if you want to still take a steroid, but dont want to do the pct id recomend a natty anabolic called anabeta i havent tryed this myself yet but ive herd great things about it, its natural, doesnt shut your testosterone production down doesnt require a pct, and some people are saying its pretty close to steroid like gains on it

    all that aside though, no steroid will make you gain muscle if your diet and training are not in check so make sure you perfect your diet/training first, just my 2 cents
    Great advice. I appreciate your time to type that out. I am trying to get the diet in check. I usually drink around 3 protein shakes a day and try and eat as much as possible. My pre-workout right now is ACG3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demolition View Post
    How many cals are you getting and what are your macro ratios. after you get that stuff figured out add creatine. If you cant eat to grow now then doing a cycle will be useless because you have to bump up your caloric intake and protein intake.
    I try to eat around 3500 calories a day. It's just hard working 50 hours a week at a job you can't eat whenever you want.
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    acg3 is about the same thing as jacked/no explode most preworkouts are pretty much the same stuff different name lol, how often do you lift and for how long/session and with how much intensity do you lift with? id probably suggjest throwing some d aspartic acid in your mix along with some bcaa's post workout with your protein shake and you should grow pretty well with that and make sure you get at least 8 hours of sleep as well sleep is very important for your muscles to grow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oehawks3 View Post
    I try to eat around 3500 calories a day. It's just hard working 50 hours a week at a job you can't eat whenever you want.
    Im a paver in the summer dude i know all about it, 50 hours would be a slow week for us but you have to get creative. food makes you grow no mater what suplements you take. wrap everything in a tortilla for a quick snack and stuff like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdidimox View Post
    acg3 is about the same thing as jacked/no explode most preworkouts are pretty much the same stuff different name lol, how often do you lift and for how long/session and with how much intensity do you lift with? id probably suggjest throwing some d aspartic acid in your mix along with some bcaa's post workout with your protein shake and you should grow pretty well with that and make sure you get at least 8 hours of sleep as well sleep is very important for your muscles to grow.
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    eat sleep work hard d aspartic acid+bcaa's+protein and you should grow just fine, then when your 21 and have put some more muscle on, you can go for an epistane cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chefbolic View Post
    Steakdrol. Tunavar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chefbolic View Post
    Is that the pro hormone to beefbol-enanthate?
    i prefer beef-c
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    Quote Originally Posted by apoxtle
    i prefer beef-c
    It's easier for me to get beef-e. that methyl-1-beef was terrible though. Cheap McDonald's quality stuff there. Blew you up, but you def paid for it later.
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    sounds more like white castle to me!
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    I like that t-bonedrol
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    **** white castle its all about in n out :-) u should know bout that beast
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chefbolic View Post
    It's easier for me to get beef-e. that methyl-1-beef was terrible though. Cheap McDonald's quality stuff there. Blew you up, but you def paid for it later.
    that's that crap that's all over the news made with that pink slime filler right? so bad for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apoxtle
    that's that crap that's all over the news made with that pink slime filler right? so bad for you.
    Lol damn right. Taco bell uses it as well.
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    Lord I do miss in-n-out LoL! Nothing beats a 3x2 animal style with animal style fries and a chocloate shake I was talking about burgers that make you sorry after you eat them when referring to white castle though
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    Oh definitely... I'm not sorry after a 4X4 animal style burger and fries with their signature pink lemonade mmmmm Lmao I'm feeling like a fat ass
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    LOL! I also miss del taco... taco hell has nothing on them, and the nearest one is 45 minutes each way
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    Lmao I don't have one
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    eat everything in site, get some good supps like whey, creatine etc, and did i say eat?? 145 at 5'11 leaves alot of room for growth
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    LOL! I also miss del taco... taco hell has nothing on them, and the nearest one is 45 minutes each way
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