What Prohomones do you recommend?

[hawkfan9]

Hey, I have been researching PH's for quite some time now and have focused mostly on PCT. I have that all figured out, I of course have also done research on some different PH's. I was somewhat set on Massfire, but from what I hear it is a crappy supp. And everything I read is so "this is best, no that is bad, this is obviously better" kinda stuff..
I was wondering what you would recommend for me for PH's and stacks and please be specific with thier companies name, etc.

Background:

5'7" 178 Lbs
goal: 190 Lbs.

23 years old and been lifting since freshman year in HS.

I want something that will give me good, easy to maintain, dry gains. i know I may be asking for a lot here, but your help is very much appreciated.

 

[ManBeast]

epistane or halodrol.

 

[hawkfan9]

This may be a really really facepalm type question, but can you stack these two? Or do you think I would be getting ahead of myself with my first PH run?

 

[ManBeast]

no, they are both methylated

 

[Chefbolic]

Halodrol for your first run. I wouldn't stack them, two methyls is never a good idea. You will make great gains on halo alone as a first cycle. From personal experience I prefer halo to epi.

 

[hawkfan9]

thanks for the suggestions, do you have any specific companies/.products that make hdrol or epistane?

*that you have had success with?*

 

[mattrag]

thanks for the suggestions, do you have any specific companies/.products that make hdrol or epistane?

*that you have had success with?*

My hdrol run was from CEL. But they don't make it anymore... Can try eBay etc.
Best bang for your buck now would probably be helladrol from MrSupps. $70 for 180 caps @25mg a cap.

 

[Chefbolic]

Halotest 25 was good. I saw some threads claiming it was bunk, but rice flour in caps never shrunk my boys or melted fat off my mid section.

 

[P_MIKE_V]

Halotest 25 was good. I saw some threads claiming it was bunk, but rice flour in caps never shrunk my boys or melted fat off my mid section.

Agreed.:fing02:

I took Halotest 25 my first cycle and it worked wonders, got some very nice dry gains and cut down alot! I had a terrible PCT but still maintained most of my gains.

 

[bigdavid]

halodrol it up. Ive ran hdrol twice and my next up is gona be epi

 

[Airborne42]

Halotest 25 was good. I saw some threads claiming it was bunk, but rice flour in caps never shrunk my boys or melted fat off my mid section.

****s weak...

 

[Airborne42]

Agreed.:fing02:

I took Halotest 25 my first cycle and it worked wonders, got some very nice dry gains and cut down alot! I had a terrible PCT but still maintained most of my gains.

****s weak... Lol don't waste your money... Go with helladrol ;-) u won't be disappointed!

 

[Chefbolic]

****s weak... Lol don't waste your money... Go with helladrol ;-) u won't be disappointed!

I agree helladrol is some fantastic halo, but the ht25 still showed some good gains. I'm not exactly new to this game and I saw results. I wouldn't say it was a waste of twenty bucks. Now, the OP could always go the route of real Tbol

 

[resmant]

Halotest 25 was good. I saw some threads claiming it was bunk, but rice flour in caps never shrunk my boys or melted fat off my mid section.

have Ran both a helladrol cycle and and Halotest 25 cycle and loved both of them (nothing bunk about either of them)
either one of them on a solo run is good for a first timer to get their feet wet... most importantly you cant skimp out on pct if you wanna keep those gains

 

[ManBeast]

no, you really can't skimp out on pct, just because some have and gotten lucky, doesn't make it the norm.

 

[Chefbolic]

Couldn't agree more. I have been seeing less of the "can I PCT without a SERM" threads though. Makes me happy

 

[ManBeast]

<---PCT Nazi

 

[hvactech]

This may be a really really facepalm type question, but can you stack these two? Or do you think I would be getting ahead of myself with my first PH run?

this question says that a little more research is needed on your end, whats your plans for pct....

 

[Airborne42]

Halotest was bunk to me

 

[P_MIKE_V]

no, you really can't skimp out on pct, just because some have and gotten lucky, doesn't make it the norm.

Agreed. Sorry if it sounded like I said you don't need full and proper PCT!!!aranoid:

I meant the complete opposite!!!! I was an idiot on my first cycle I was just pointing out that ht25 was a good product in my opinion. Ensure you have everything for PCT, I was extremely lucky!!

 

[Jova12]

for PCT what is best Clomid, Nolva, or Torem and how should it be dosed? also is liquid form ok?

I'll also be adding in DAA and Erase for PCT. I've read that Erase should be started a few weeks into PCT, is this true?

 

[hawkfan9]

this question says that a little more research is needed on your end, whats your plans for pct....

My plan is to run either Clomiphene Citrate, or Tamoxifen Citrate (haven't decided exactly which one yet,, suggestions?)

i was thinking a 4 week PCT.. run erase.. and a natty test booster such as Titanium..

I know I need liver protection, i heard Liv.52 is good?

any other suggestions? I see a lot of people taking Taurine when on Helladrol.

 

[Airborne42]

Run clomid, erase/pro, screw titanium, get some daa good to go. Liv52 is where its at and taurine is for all things that give you back pumps

 

[ManBeast]

i lean towards clomid or torem most of the time, nolva is fine as well.

sounds good with DAA added

liv 52 isn't bad, look into tUDCA or UDCA as well.

taurine is for the back pumps, 3g 40 minutes pre-workout.

 

[Airborne42]

 

[CrazyLegacy]

i run novedex xt, and for a natty test ill throw prime+pink magic into the mix... alot of people hate the stuff, but it works for me. for liver support ill go with a product called LiverFix thats always done me good. and dont forget about cortisol! people always look past it man but if you want to keep gains you have to reduce that cortisol after your body is shocked after the hormone levels go down after a cycle.

 

[ManBeast]

what do you want? a cookie for beating me?

 

[Airborne42]

Lmfao got any white chip macadamian nut ones?

 

[CrazyLegacy]

just tryin to save peoples nuts, one pait at a time man! haha

 

[CrazyLegacy]

pair*

 

[ManBeast]

show me the bloods to prove you are fully recovered after using that crap.

 

[Airborne42]

Lmfao wait was that guy serious???

 

[Airborne42]

i run novedex xt, and for a natty test ill throw prime+pink magic into the mix... alot of people hate the stuff, but it works for me. for liver support ill go with a product called LiverFix thats always done me good. and dont forget about cortisol! people always look past it man but if you want to keep gains you have to reduce that cortisol after your body is shocked after the hormone levels go down after a cycle.

This is a joke right?

 

[CrazyLegacy]

i literally just listed the worst **** on the market...yes a joke fellas haha

 

[Airborne42]

Holy **** u had us... Well atleast me... ****

 

[CrazyLegacy]

seriously tho.. nolva? really? i havent personally tried it, but i wouldnt compare it to torem

 

[ManBeast]

me too, don't f*ck with me i'm dieting and cranky

 

[Airborne42]

Lmfao no ****. I'm also gettin bitched at by a pregnant women... But I love her

 

[CrazyLegacy]

haha i gotcha.

 

[CrazyLegacy]

have you guys heard of a PCT called PCT ASSAULT by War Pharma? it doesnt look amazing, but i got a group of guys that swear by the stuff!

 

[Airborne42]

Lol no

 

[CrazyLegacy]

i thought at first probably what your thinking now... "another damn `total pct` product" ...and im not sayin use it as a total pct by any means... but it has novedex in it and its cheap! so just for the novedex and the liver/prostate support aspects of it i may incorporate it into my pct.

 

[ManBeast]

yeah, anything otc is to be regarded as "on top of" a SERM, although with a SERM, DAA and Erase (or similar to erase) you are already good to go.

 

[CrazyLegacy]

is this erase really the ****?

 

[Jova12]

Sorry don't mean to hijack thread, but if I go with Clomid for PCT does 50/50/25/25 sound good? or Torem 90/60/60/30?

 

[CrazyLegacy]

torem is my vote

 

[weavedogg]

I would recommend not going with prohormones/ds. Do the real gear if at all possible. I have done both and there is no comparison.