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M4OHN Cycle

KingMeso

KingMeso

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I am getting ready to start a M4OHN cycle. On the product description it says 8-16mg a day.
Then for my weight it would actually be around 12mg a day. I've read a lot of posts where people are using
in excess of 30mg.

I was thinking of dosing it @ 8mg for the first 10 days and then upping from there. I will be on for 5-6 weeks followed by PCT.

Should I pyramid the dosages?


I will be taking Nolva PCT. How long and what dosage?

My cycle history consists of one 1-Test & 4-AD cycles @ 12 weeks.
 
You didn't say what your weight is.

Anyway, unless you weigh 130-140lbs- you'll need more than 8-12mg for any noticeable effects. I ran it at 20mg stacked with 1-test, & will definitely run 30mg next time. Start around 18mg & see how that goes. Just note that it takes around 10 days to notice effects at any dose. So I'd pick a dose & give it 2 weeks, then decide if you need to increase.

Run nolva 4 weeks- 40mg, 30mg, 20mg, 10mg. If using liquid nolva, multiply the dosages by 1.5. Recovery from m4OHN is the easiest I've ever had.
 
You should take 12-16mg every day at least IMO for the first ~10 days. I personally would take more, cause taking more may speed up the working time. I took 36mg every day split into 3 doses for the majority of my cycle and had good results. Whatever dose you take, split it up 3-4 times a day, cause of the fast m4ohn half life. My next cycle, I will probably be somewhere around 50, each day.

Alot of people will say that PCT isn't required on an M4OHN only cycle, but you should take the Nolva, 40mg the first 2 weeks, and 20mg the last 2 weeks. That should be plenty. Make sure to get liver tabs (2 bottles at 1fast400, I took 3 in the morning/ 3 at night). I also got ZMA and Saw Palmetto cause I was paranoid. The 2 main things you should use are the liver tabs and nolva.

I wouldn't pyramid the doses, but I don't see how it would hurt.
 
I wouldn't pyramid the doses, but I don't see how it would hurt.[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't help either
 
I figured the doses were too low. During research I have come to find that all AAS or PH/PS need PCT regardless of the claims of not shutting down HPTA. Plus, nolva is cheap anyway, so why not use it.

I'll probably start around 16mg (4mg 4x a day) for the first 10-14 days and max out at 32mg (8mg 4x a day) followed by nolva for 3-4 weeks (40/20/10).

Thanks for the info.
 
KingMeso said:
I am getting ready to start a M4OHN cycle. On the product description it says 8-16mg a day.
Then for my weight it would actually be around 12mg a day. I've read a lot of posts where people are using
in excess of 30mg.

I was thinking of dosing it @ 8mg for the first 10 days and then upping from there. I will be on for 5-6 weeks followed by PCT.
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Do at least 6 weeks of m4ohn: it takes 1.5-2 weeks to kick in.

On 1fast at designers m4ohn page there still should be the initial recommended dosages depending on your weight.
The double of those dosages seems needed to work well :)
Also is essential to split the intake to 3 4 times during the day at 3.5-4 hours of interval.

I'm really liking m40hn: i'm not having ANY side effect at all :)

Good luck with your cycle!
 
KingMeso said:
I'll probably start around 16mg (4mg 4x a day) for the first 10-14 days and max out at 32mg (8mg 4x a day) followed by nolva for 3-4 weeks (40/20/10).
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You could do 16mg first week (4mg, 4x), 24 second week (6mg, 4x) and max out at 32mg (8mg, 4x) for the following 4 weeks.
You will need 4 bottles of DS m4ohn i guess ;)
 
If you plan to go up to 30mg+, you may as well start higher than 16mg. There is no benefit to pyramid/tapering. Why not start with 24mg or so, & increase only if necessary.
 
I heard that tapering does help recovery? do you know of any posts or studies that says it does not? I heard the down side would be decreasing the amount at the time when the ph starts to take effect.
 
hell, just run at 32mg/day split into 4 doses to start with. does anybody dispute that it takes that much to get a noticeable affect by itself? that's what it took for me to get it to kick in.
 
Longdog said:
If you plan to go up to 30mg+, you may as well start higher than 16mg. There is no benefit to pyramid/tapering. Why not start with 24mg or so, & increase only if necessary.
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Exactly!
 
wastedwhiteboy2 said:
I heard that tapering does help recovery? do you know of any posts or studies that says it does not? I heard the down side would be decreasing the amount at the time when the ph starts to take effect.
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Where did you hear this? How would it help recovery?
 
ryansm said:
Where did you hear this? How would it help recovery?
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I think he might be referring to injectables with esters where the half life of the compound is longer. Tapering could help there to make sure the AAS are out of your system before PCT. Most classic cycles I've seen with for example Deca Durabolin involved tapering down. With a methylated oral that's not really a problem.
 
wastedwhiteboy2 said:
I heard that tapering does help recovery? do you know of any posts or studies that says it does not? I heard the down side would be decreasing the amount at the time when the ph starts to take effect.
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There are studies on this board regarding effects of tapering. If you are taking in exogenous hormones even in small amounts, your HPTA will shut down. It does not start coming back slowly when you decrease your dose, so you should use a consistent dose.
 
Well I don't see any injectibles being discussed on this thread. There is no need to pyramid methyl's.
 
I have read a couple past threads about "tapering" M4OHN. Some claimed that it was a waste to start out on higher dosages b/c it doesn't "kick in" for 10-14 days. Otherwise, the more I think about it, it doesn't make any sense to me to taper. In fact, I haven't heard of any other orals that are to be tapered (dbol, winny, etc.).
 
Just because we don't see any effects from M4ohn for 10 days, does not mean it isn't working. Blood levels are no different day 1 than day 10, it doesn't build up in your system like an esterified PH/AAS. It just takes longer to notice gains because its a mild anabolic & you don't retain water from it. Tapering M4OHN is no different than tapering dbol, no need for it.
 
I agree. Most people aren't going to "feel" anything hence we have people saying the stuff doesn't work et cetera when likely it's their diet or training.
 
Longdog said:
There are studies on this board regarding effects of tapering. If you are taking in exogenous hormones even in small amounts, your HPTA will shut down. It does not start coming back slowly when you decrease your dose, so you should use a consistent dose.
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I did not know the answer myself. I think someone one here was wanting to taper off a cycle and said that when he starts pct and decreases the amount of hormones in his body his test would start to come up slowly but yet the low amount of exogenous hormones will retain muschle. doesnt work this way huh?
 
No any small amount of any androgen will keep you shut down after a long enough cycle. In other words if you take 40 mgs of m4ohn for 6-8 weeks, 10 mgs would be enough to keep your hpta from recovering.
 
ryansm said:
No any small amount of any androgen will keep you shut down after a long enough cycle. In other words if you take 40 mgs of m4ohn for 6-8 weeks, 10 mgs would be enough to keep your hpta from recovering.
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cool. thats good to know.
 
Tapering at the end would be wise if taking a stronger methyl like m14add at 120mg ed or so.

m4ohn is very mild, so tapering is useless. Unless your gonna run 100mg ed, than maybe ,taper down.

I still think taking a 'starting dose' the first 2 weeks would save money and not change the results of a 8 or 10 week cycle.


Anybody have any objections to running m4ohn at 40mg ed for 10 weeks? Would it be worth it or would deminishing returns kick in too much?
 
TheManGuy said:
Tapering at the end would be wise if taking a stronger methyl like m14add at 120mg ed or so.

Why? This is not necessary


m4ohn is very mild, so tapering is useless. Unless your gonna run 100mg ed, than maybe ,taper down.

Still not necessary


I still think taking a 'starting dose' the first 2 weeks would save money and not change the results of a 8 or 10 week cycle.

What do you mean by "starting dose"? I don't see the logic in this either.


Anybody have any objections to running m4ohn at 40mg ed for 10 weeks? Would it be worth it or would deminishing returns kick in too much?
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No, yes it's worth it. I would stack it with something else, like 1-test cyp, and 4ad cyp.
 
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