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Im looking for the best ph to help me gain some muscle weight thats easy to maintain. Also, I dont want to deal with superdrol-like sides.
2nd thatDo your research.
So I can't bulk with mozzarella sticks and hotdogs?!As I've said in other threads, you can either choose to eat clean and only reasonable amounts of calories and put on lean mass only (those lbs are the easiest to keep), or u can eat dirty like the majority and have a swinging weight during the 4 to 6 weeks of PCT. Ur choice. Personally, I'd suggest setting modest goals in total weight gain and try to clean up the diet before starting the cycle. Whats better to u - having 15lbs of mass in 4 weeks only to keep 6-7 or to just put on 6-7lbs and keep 6-7lbs?
you can bulk your gut up :dance:So I can't bulk with mozzarella sticks and hotdogs?!
I wish I could dirty bulk.. I hate people with amazing genesHaha I'm just a smart ass, I never understood "dirty bulking", I'm sure it works for some people but to
Me it's just an excuse to eat like **** for a couple months
Yeah, by no means would I say that I bulk cleanly but I don't go overboard like a lot of guysHaha I'm just a smart ass, I never understood "dirty bulking", I'm sure it works for some people but to
Me it's just an excuse to eat like **** for a couple months
Could not AGREE MORE! Well said.As I've said in other threads, you can either choose to eat clean and only reasonable amounts of calories and put on lean mass only (those lbs are the easiest to keep), or u can eat dirty like the majority and have a swinging weight during the 4 to 6 weeks of PCT. Ur choice. Personally, I'd suggest setting modest goals in total weight gain and try to clean up the diet before starting the cycle. Whats better to u - having 15lbs of mass in 4 weeks only to keep 6-7 or to just put on 6-7lbs and keep 6-7lbs?
Commenting only on those in bold:Could not AGREE MORE! Well said.
To add to that:
PH are illegal in the US so there are no "legal" ph anymore, the new stuff is hogwash. Secondly, with the versions that were banned--you get half the results with twice the negative side effects.
My suggestion is follow this prior diet advice----take in 1.5-2 grams of protein per body lb and consume 3000 calories or more a day. Make sure you eat every 3 hours and make sure you eat I'm the AM--the highest NATURAL TEST LEVELS--and only consume a protein hake before bed---your body fasts over night and isn't active so no carbs. Consume enough water but not too much--too much water flushes vitamins.
If you wanna use anything use the real stuff man--your body will thank in the short and long term.
Supplements to take with or without anabolics:
Glutamine--10g a day spread evenly. Take 2g during workout if you want as it is greatly diminished when lifting heavy weights.
Creatine--no explanation needed since I'm sure you've used this thinking it will get you "jacked"
L-argnine-- pre cursor to nitric oxide. It displayed your blood vessels which allows for more oxygen and nutrients to flow to your muscles hence increasing your pump and increasing vascularity
BCAA-little bit of everything in it--essential to maintain anabolism and prevent catabolism.
Acetyl L-Cartiniine (Very under the radar IMO)---this will assist with natural test levels, enhanced mood supposedly as well and may prevent water retention allegedly.
If you still want to go the PH route----you'll need Liver protection so milk thistle. And PCT just like anabolics as it inhibits your HPTA (lowers natural test in laymen terms)---you'll need REAL stuff clomid, nolvadex(not the xt junk in stores), maybe hcg.
You can go on eBay and still get the banned stuff --SPAWN is what I'd go with--similar again allegedly to Trenbolone the most potent AAS there is.
Hopefully this helps. Good luck and be safe. Read read read read and research more.
dont agree entirely on this post...creatine, beta alanine, and/or agmatine would be your staples for supps, at least for the majority of people.....glutamine and arginine? dont waste your time or money!Could not AGREE MORE! Well said.
To add to that:
PH are illegal in the US so there are no "legal" ph anymore, the new stuff is hogwash. Secondly, with the versions that were banned--you get half the results with twice the negative side effects.
My suggestion is follow this prior diet advice----take in 1.5-2 grams of protein per body lb and consume 3000 calories or more a day. Make sure you eat every 3 hours and make sure you eat I'm the AM--the highest NATURAL TEST LEVELS--and only consume a protein hake before bed---your body fasts over night and isn't active so no carbs. Consume enough water but not too much--too much water flushes vitamins.
If you wanna use anything use the real stuff man--your body will thank in the short and long term.
Supplements to take with or without anabolics:
Glutamine--10g a day spread evenly. Take 2g during workout if you want as it is greatly diminished when lifting heavy weights.
Creatine--no explanation needed since I'm sure you've used this thinking it will get you "jacked"
L-argnine-- pre cursor to nitric oxide. It displayed your blood vessels which allows for more oxygen and nutrients to flow to your muscles hence increasing your pump and increasing vascularity
BCAA-little bit of everything in it--essential to maintain anabolism and prevent catabolism.
Acetyl L-Cartiniine (Very under the radar IMO)---this will assist with natural test levels, enhanced mood supposedly as well and may prevent water retention allegedly.
If you still want to go the PH route----you'll need Liver protection so milk thistle. And PCT just like anabolics as it inhibits your HPTA (lowers natural test in laymen terms)---you'll need REAL stuff clomid, nolvadex(not the xt junk in stores), maybe hcg.
You can go on eBay and still get the banned stuff --SPAWN is what I'd go with--similar again allegedly to Trenbolone the most potent AAS there is.
Hopefully this helps. Good luck and be safe. Read read read read and research more.
dont agree entirely on this post...creatine, beta alanine, and/or agmatine would be your staples for supps, at least for the majority of people.....glutamine and arginine? dont waste your time or money!
wow.. so we are name calling are we, save your immaturity for another website smart guyglutamine is a great supplement idiot, arginine i agree sycks but glutamine is super important for your stomach, its in your stomach lining and needs replenshing every2-3 days and your muscle besides water is heavily made up of glutamine.
wow.. so we are name calling are we, save your immaturity for another website smart guy
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/weight-loss/46550-glutamine-very-important.html
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/46367-glutamine.html
likewise.....the glutamine debate will go on forever but each is their own when it comes down to it....just dont give bad advice, glutamine is sooo cheap too, there is no reason not to take it.
likewise.....the glutamine debate will go on forever but each is their own when it comes down to it....
yeah i was just reading the post earlier on that one
grew up in summerville and went to fort...as long as you stack it with tribulusgoose creek eh? how's life out there in the creek? im from scummerville.
anyhow, if i take glutamine, will i get big an smert like you guyz?
Yea husker I saw that thread the other day too..wow, just wow.fair enough sorry for getting angry ive been dealing with a lot of people saying some crazy **** like injecting clomid lol
Spawn is nothing like trenboloneCould not AGREE MORE! Well said.
To add to that:
PH are illegal in the US so there are no "legal" ph anymore, the new stuff is hogwash. Secondly, with the versions that were banned--you get half the results with twice the negative side effects.
My suggestion is follow this prior diet advice----take in 1.5-2 grams of protein per body lb and consume 3000 calories or more a day. Make sure you eat every 3 hours and make sure you eat I'm the AM--the highest NATURAL TEST LEVELS--and only consume a protein hake before bed---your body fasts over night and isn't active so no carbs. Consume enough water but not too much--too much water flushes vitamins.
If you wanna use anything use the real stuff man--your body will thank in the short and long term.
Supplements to take with or without anabolics:
Glutamine--10g a day spread evenly. Take 2g during workout if you want as it is greatly diminished when lifting heavy weights.
Creatine--no explanation needed since I'm sure you've used this thinking it will get you "jacked"
L-argnine-- pre cursor to nitric oxide. It displayed your blood vessels which allows for more oxygen and nutrients to flow to your muscles hence increasing your pump and increasing vascularity
BCAA-little bit of everything in it--essential to maintain anabolism and prevent catabolism.
Acetyl L-Cartiniine (Very under the radar IMO)---this will assist with natural test levels, enhanced mood supposedly as well and may prevent water retention allegedly.
If you still want to go the PH route----you'll need Liver protection so milk thistle. And PCT just like anabolics as it inhibits your HPTA (lowers natural test in laymen terms)---you'll need REAL stuff clomid, nolvadex(not the xt junk in stores), maybe hcg.
You can go on eBay and still get the banned stuff --SPAWN is what I'd go with--similar again allegedly to Trenbolone the most potent AAS there is.
Hopefully this helps. Good luck and be safe. Read read read read and research more.
what is bolded is good advice, you should stop giving it out, and take your own medicine, cause everything you said about steroids and pro hormones is complete bull shiit.PH are illegal in the US so there are no "legal" ph anymore, the new stuff is hogwash. Secondly, with the versions that were banned--you get half the results with twice the negative side effects.
Read read read read and research more.
incorrect.Spawn is nothing like trenbolone
I've used trenbolone
Spawn is a combo of dienolone and epithio aka epi
While in one way your point is right, in another Schwellington's point is equally right. So they are chemically similar, but in fact one gives dry, slow gains while the other gives instant wet gains. One has little to no conversion to estrogen while the other has lots of conversion to estrogen. One is hard on the joints while the other is not..get the drift?Agreed, that is like saying Equipoise and Dianabol are nothing alike, just because they behave differently doesn't mean they aren't chemically similar.
Yea husker I saw that thread the other day too..wow, just wow.
what is bolded is good advice, you should stop giving it out, and take your own medicine, cause everything you said about steroids and pro hormones is complete bull shiit.
whats up with all the dumbassses posting dumb shiit.
i have no idea what your point is?While in one way your point is right, in another Schwellington's point is equally right. So they are chemically similar, but in fact one gives dry, slow gains while the other gives instant wet gains. One has little to no conversion to estrogen while the other has lots of conversion to estrogen. One is hard on the joints while the other is not..get the drift?
Dienolone IS NOT as strong as Trenbolone. And 200mg/day of pro-dienolone still wouldn't amount to 400-500mg of Tren-E or 300mg of Tren-A per week.
While chemically the pro-dienolone is very similar to Trenbolone molecule, it would be unwise to tell someone that they are very similar in nature. They simply aren't. Trenbolone is 500/500 and anabolic/androgenic ratio which is unheard of. Something with that much androgenic activity is ridiculously strong unlike dienolone and nandrolone. Dienolone is very low in androgenic activity as well as nandrolone (Deca). They both are less than half as androgenic as test (<50)...Also, Trenbolone has a much more exaggerated effect on thermogenesis. I recall night sweats with dienolone's to be at random and usually a pretty mild situation of sweating and insomnia - nothing benadryl couldn't fix. Yet when my brother took Trenbolone sleep was impossible and the night sweats were so bad that he thought he'd pissed his bed when he woke up the next morning.
Saying PH work just as good as real hormones is asinine. That's like saying that fake K9 stuff gets u a high as good as real weed. Lmao.
My logic behind twice the negatives half the results? Personal experience myself and experience with 3 other people I know. Terrible acne and gyno main problems. I still got bad sides from real stuff but liver wasn't affected.
All I'm saying real stuff is better for you bc you know exactly what is in it. The PH you really have no clue aside from
What they "tell you"
Saying PH work just as good as real hormones is asinine. That's like saying that fake K9 stuff gets u a high as good as real weed. Lmao.
My logic behind twice the negatives half the results? Personal experience myself and experience with 3 other people I know. Terrible acne and gyno main problems. I still got bad sides from real stuff but liver wasn't affected.
All I'm saying real stuff is better for you bc you know exactly what is in it. The PH you really have no clue aside from
What they "tell you"
The new SuperDrol isn't the same as the SuperDrol that came out 10 years ago. Legal steroids are available with a px. PH are not legal steroids no Matter what advertisement your reading in muscle mags.
Don't get it twisted though, I never said they don't work. But they are hepatoxic 17aa alkylates and people Tend I over due it bc they can legally buy them and f themselves up in the long run
Don't get it twisted though, I never said they don't work. But they are hepatoxic 17aa alkylates and people Tend I over due it bc they can legally buy them and f themselves up in the long run
I'm well aware dbol and winni and anavar are 17aa--quit talking like a condescending prick. Stop talking like A. A hardass and B. a dbag. Debate with class.
Secondly these new hdrol n sdrol products pale in comparison to first generation. And none compare to real anabolics so any argument
You make against that is flawed.
Regardless you don't discuss you scream and yell like a moron. I'm done with this thread. People like you an your attitude RUIN forums. Go with huskers advice all--I don't know anything except my entire first post was right on. See yas
I'm well aware dbol and winni and anavar are 17aa--quit talking like a condescending prick. Stop talking like A. A hardass and B. a dbag. Debate with class.
Secondly these new hdrol n sdrol products pale in comparison to first generation. And none compare to real anabolics so any argument
You make against that is flawed.
Regardless you don't discuss you scream and yell like a moron. I'm done with this thread. People like you an your attitude RUIN forums. Go with huskers advice all--I don't know anything except my entire first post was right on. See yas
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