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  1. Agreed
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  2. Mtb, I think everyone here would agree your original post was false... Each time you come back you alter your original statement or imply you didn't mean it how you said it. You are both confusing and confused...
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  3. Wow, speaking of confusion, I'm more confused than I was before I started this thread.

  4. thank u man im just trying to get the right info out
    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift View Post
    Mtb, I think everyone here would agree your original post was false... Each time you come back you alter your original statement or imply you didn't mean it how you said it. You are both confusing and confused...

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Husker89
    thank u man im just trying to get the right info out
    I agree, I'm not bashing just want to make sure people are getting good info. Most people are here to learn. The statement about ph's being hogwash is completely false, and some are active steroids and shouldn't even be considered ph's at all, despite what he said originally!! :-)
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  6. This is hilarious. I'll take dianabol and winstrol anavar and halotestin anyway over ph orals. My entire point those was based on injectables hence why I said ph's are hard on the liver. The original formulas of PHs like SuperDrive were farrrr more potent than the newer generations.

    Thirdly, you keep saying newer steroids? What are newer steroids? Test prop, sust, test e, deca, winstrol, tren, EQ? All of these i stack with test since they will shut down your natural levels to avoid loss of libido--ESP with deca.

    And the only experienced use I have is with spawn and superdrol. And like i said they absolutely work--but it's best to skip a precursor IF U can get the real stuff. Argument is over----my original post is what I stand by


    Get enough rest. Follow that diet. Eat more. Eat right. Use whatever supps you want use whatever anabolics you choose pcT. off cycle repeat

  7. a molecule of superdrol is a molecule of superdrol, the potency of the original/earlier compounds was due to contamination if I recall, sorry, not my cup of tea.

    Nobody will debate that injectibles are easier on the liver, but with the difficulty in finding a good, legit, and not-overpriced source these days, many of us are left with PHs as the best option. The OP was asking about PHs, it really wasn't a proper move to come in and start bashing on PHs and calling them junk...
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  8. There was a reason they were banned. They work, buy inject are TE way I'd go if I were the poster and could get access to them. But if you want to go down the PH route that website is the greatest info for PHs there is--1AD is the strongest according to it.

  9. I wasn't trying to feed the kid bad info--i was making a point that if he can get a good source for aas go that route. They came out with a newer version bc they altered and removed some compounds if I recall I don't believe it was bc of contamination--it was bc they discovered the controlled substances within them. Recently they took novadex xt off the shelves bc they found it had like actual clomid in it or something along that lines. But yes back to the OP--Use the link I posted that post knows more than i of anyone on this forum!!!

  10. all i was mad about is when u said "phs are twice as bad for sides and half as effective" which is simply wrong. Thats all.
    Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    I wasn't trying to feed the kid bad info--i was making a point that if he can get a good source for aas go that route. They came out with a newer version bc they altered and removed some compounds if I recall I don't believe it was bc of contamination--it was bc they discovered the controlled substances within them. Recently they took novadex xt off the shelves bc they found it had like actual clomid in it or something along that lines. But yes back to the OP--Use the link I posted that post knows more than i of anyone on this forum!!!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    The part where Schwellington was told that his opinion about Spawn being nothing like Trenbolone "was incorrect". There were two posts arguing with his statement and my point is regarding those comments.
    I dont know what you guys are talking about i was referring to schwells comment on what spawn contains, it doesn't have dienolone in it. it does have epi, but not dienolone.

    It contains pro dienolone aka dienedione.

  12. I was saying that as rule of thumb--not literal exact words of that makes any sense bro and youre right it also applies to oral steroids. injectables are the safest best alternative and I know you agree with that. I am not an expert with PHs. But I am very well versed in inject and oral aas's I've tried or used almos every compound to see each effect on my training and body.

    But that site I posted is f'ing left!!! Check it out bro it's pretty impressive.

  13. k argument over
    Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    I was saying that as rule of thumb--not literal exact words of that makes any sense bro and youre right it also applies to oral steroids. injectables are the safest best alternative and I know you agree with that. I am not an expert with PHs. But I am very well versed in inject and oral aas's I've tried or used almos every compound to see each effect on my training and body.

    But that site I posted is f'ing left!!! Check it out bro it's pretty impressive.

  14. Aww I just made popcorn...sad face.

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    still not taking your own advice eh?

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  16. Lmfao
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    The new SuperDrol isn't the same as the SuperDrol that came out 10 years ago. Legal steroids are available with a px. PH are not legal steroids no Matter what advertisement your reading in muscle mags.
    unfortunately it's been the same compound since the first time it hit the market.

    2a,17a-dimethy-5a,-androst,-3-one-17b-ol

    methasteron, methyl drostanolone, di-methyl dht, or best known as superdrol.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    Its a rule of thumb saying about PH--twice the sides half the results But ok dude you're right I'm wrong PH are better than real steroids.
    at first I thought you might just be mistaken, but I really think you believe this. do you believe in the easter bunny too? cause i hate to tell you, both are a bunch of bull shiit.

  19. Warning thread hijack ahead JBryand did I just read right Superdrol = Methyl DHT? Why did super aggrevate my gyno lump when Androhard shrunk it if both are DHT. Any ideas.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    Don't get it twisted though, I never said they don't work. But they are hepatoxic 17aa alkylates and people Tend I (people or you?) over due it bc they can legally buy them and f themselves up in the long run
    uh, im not the sharpest tool in the shed but...

    Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    Its a rule of thumb saying about PH--twice the sides half the results
    a rule of thumb saying eh? you dont say.... well, half the results and twice the sides...

    methyldrostanolone (sd) is di methylated dht, dianabol is just 17a methyl boldenone, on a mg for mg bases, sd is a far more potent, and stronger androgen d/t the modifications in it's structure.

    sd will bind more strongly to the androgen receptor, and it's half life is about twice that of dbol, there is no water retention with sd, but there is an abundance of glycogen storage within the muscle cell. this will cause more water in itself though, as for ever 1g of glyclogen stored within the body, 3g of water are needed to store it.

    so with sd, you in reality have a stronger, much more potent steroid that is incapable of aromatization, binds much more strongly to the androgen receptor, and as such, has more interaction with the androgen receptor, as well as having an 8 hour half life, so with that, you have much more chance of hepatotoxicity d/t resistance to breakdown in the liver and other enzymes.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    Secondly these new hdrol n sdrol products pale in comparison to first generation. And none compare to real anabolics so any argument
    You make against that is flawed.
    well, halodrol-50 buy gaspari contained chlorodehydromethylandrostened iol or cdma if you will, and also contained desoxymethyltestosterone, aka pheraplex, so there is a reason one got better results with less there genius.

    none compare to real anabolics? this is where you make yourself look stupid and unknowledgable. you obviously dont know what a androgenic/anabolic steroid is, in a literal sense. maybe you are meaning to differentiate between non methylated and methylated steroids?

    a androgenic/anabolic steroid consist of 3 hexagon carbon atoms, and one pentagon carbon atom.

    here is the 2-d drawing of testosterone

    see that structure, now look closely at this next one, dehydroepiandrosterone (dhea)



    now, take a close look at them, as they are both androgenic/anabolic steroid hormones.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast View Post
    I'm guessing most of the new products pale in comparison to the older ones are due to the fact many older compounds were found to be contaminated with other compounds... and were often hell on peoples' systems
    ding ding ding. you are correct sir.

    and 5a reduced dianabol, oh wait, let me rephrase that for the steroid misinformed, methyl 1-testosterone will be hell on anyone's system, as it is an extremely potent androgenic/anabolic steroid d/t it's structure.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    PH'S ARE NOT STEROIDS- they are pro-hormones other wise they'd be called Anabolic STEROIDS. And yes they were hell on ppls systems.
    do I need to go over the comparison with dhea and testosterone again?

    and please, please explain to me how dhea, a 2 step pro hormone to testosterone, or 4-androstenedione, a 1-step pro hormone to testosterone is going to be hell on peoples systems?

    how is it testosterone isn't hell, but it's natural precursors in the body are?

    what about dht, another natural hormone, with, you guessed it, natural precursors, how are these precursors, such as androstenolone (stanodrol) hell on the body?

    let me think of un natural pro hormones (in the full sense of what a real pro hormone is) hmm.. okay, we have delta 2, which is a 2 step pro hormone to desoxytestosterone, ie, non methylated pheraplex. (a natural metabolite in elephant piss btw)

    better yet, lets do boldione, a direct precursor to boldenone. so boldenone is cool, and legit, but the compound wich converts directly to it is somehow more dangerous, but has less sides?

    this logic isn't making sense. how is the parent hormone okay to use one way, but a danger to use another way?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    Yes the are anabolic and yes the promote muscle growth I never disputed that-that is why i capped ster. and not anabolic. My point from the beginning before the brouhaha was that the poster should: follow the diet regiment posted earlier take certain supps and if he has a choice to take the real injectable stuff not PH's he will be better off.

    im not concerned with the diet/training stuff, there are a number of guys on here who know how to put out good advice on that, so i dont have to even think about it.

    but androgenic/anabolic steroid advice is a different story. in this catagory, the people who really know something are slim pickens. I dont rip into someone that much, or even post on peoples stuff, unless I see that person needing more than what those such as beast, etc can show.

    back to the real injectable stuff.

    so you are saying that a person is better off (as in safer?) injecting dianabol, than using a pro hormone to boldenone?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    I NEVER SAID COMPARED TO ORALS. My comparison was to injectables from the very beginning.

    Secondly, your first post here you're calling another member an idiot which makes you a dbag and honestly your attitude should have an admin bann you.

    Here's one article to support my view point (notice I said MY view point)

    Muscleandbrawn.com/are-prohormones-worse-than-steroids/


    And this link here is the best source of ALL:
    Everything prohormone related is here. Like I said PH's are not nearly as effective as anabolic steroids.

    ironmagazineforums.com/supplements/27368-prohormone-prosteroid-faq-everything-you-need-know.html
    ohh, alright, good stuff, more people to call out. now i can see where you are getting your bad info from. ironmag forum, lol yea, those guys are idiots.
    using 20mg methyl trenbolone tabs and 50mg bolasterone tabs. lol. (hint, they are fake)

    okay, i can agree there, a pro hormone to testosterone will not be as effective as injecting testosterone.

    enzymes are limited, dosing is limited, conversion is limited. first smart thing you've said so far.

    but, you did not say this till now, you've been saying something completely different.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    I'll take halotestin anyway over ph orals.
    My entire point those was based on injectables hence why I said ph's are hard on the liver.
    The original formulas of PHs like SuperDrive were farrrr more potent than the newer generations.

    Thirdly, you keep saying newer steroids? What are newer steroids? Test prop, sust, test e, deca, winstrol, tren, EQ? All of these i stack with test since they will shut down your natural levels to avoid loss of libido--ESP with deca.

    And the only experienced use I have is with spawn and superdrol. And like i said they absolutely work--but it's best to skip a precursor IF U can get the real stuff. Argument is over----my original post is what I stand by

    well, let me tackle one sentance at a time so people looking for info will avoid the mis information.

    so again, testosterone isnt hard on the liver, but the bodies hormones that convert into testosterone are hard on the liver? i'll let you think about that one....

    superdrive.... not even going to comment on that, the name says enough.

    what newer steroids? well, superdrol, methyl 1-test, pheraplex, dimethazine, dienolone, thg are all newer steroids.
    so you stack test prop & test e with test because it shuts down your natural levels and will help avoid loss of libido?

    well, spawn contains 1 pro hormone, and 1 (under dosed) oral steroid, the ph is dienedion, a direct precursor to dienolone, a 19 nor androgen similar to trenbolone (but different)
    and the oral steroid is epistane, a 17a methylated analog of a steroial aromatase inhibitor used in japan. in vida it's numbers give the presumption it is one of the most potent oral steroids created (but we know that to be wrong)

    there is no conversion to anything with epistane, it binds to/interacts with the androgen receptor, just like other androgens, until it is converted by enzymes in the liver or where ever, into an inactive metabolite, just like with other androgens.

    superdrol is di (two) methylated dht, it is dihydrotestosterone with an additional 2a methyl group and 17a methyl group.

    I say additional because all androgens contain methyls. ha ha, i'll leave that for you to research.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    There was a reason they were banned. They work, buy inject are TE way I'd go if I were the poster and could get access to them. But if you want to go down the PH route that website is the greatest info for PHs there is--1AD is the strongest according to it.
    if 1-ad was the strongest pro hormone available, that would mean 1-testosterone would be the strongest steroid available.

    dang, all this time, i should of just been using 1-ad

  28. Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    I wasn't trying to feed the kid bad info--i was making a point that if he can get a good source for aas go that route. They came out with a newer version bc they altered and removed some compounds if I recall I don't believe it was bc of contamination--it was bc they discovered the controlled substances within them. Recently they took novadex xt off the shelves bc they found it had like actual clomid in it or something along that lines. But yes back to the OP--Use the link I posted that post knows more than i of anyone on this forum!!!
    novodex xt was removed because it contained atd, which is not a natural aromatase inhibitor found in any natural enviroment. is synthesized in a lab just like other steroidal aromatase inhibitors, and is not dshea compliant. again with the mis information.

    yea, they did contain controlled substances within them, called superdrol, methyl 1-testosterone, pheraplex, methyl dienolone, these are all anabolic steroids, and are not technically legal to sell.
    they were later officially made controlled substances (well, not superdrol, not yet at least).

  29. Quote Originally Posted by mtb2005 View Post
    injectables are the safest best alternative and I know you agree with that.
    i dont agree with it.

    injectables are a more efficiant way of administration. but you can not tell me it is safer to inject dianabol, than to take boldione.

    know why? one is methylated, the other is not.

    is it safer to inject testosterone from the black market than it is to use esterfied 4-dhea? i mean really?

    safer how?

    now, is injecting testosterone a more effective method of administration then taking a pro hormone to test, or testosterone, of course it is. but safer? no, im not going to buy into that one.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by zendog View Post
    Warning thread hijack ahead JBryand did I just read right Superdrol = Methyl DHT? Why did super aggrevate my gyno lump when Androhard shrunk it if both are DHT. Any ideas.
    superdrol is di methylated dht (the one, or d-plex is a ph to methyl dht) the 2a methylation changes how the compound interacts in the body.

    it is a much more potent androgen, and will cause much more disruption to your hpta function than other compounds. gyno is caused from multiple hormonal imbalances, taking supraphysiological dosages of any hormone, no matter what it is, can cause a disruption in hpta function, and cause gyno, everyone is different.

    this is why baseline blood work numbers, pre hormone use are key, if you dont know what is normal for you, you have no idea what is out of whack.

    normal numbers for a male most likely aren't your what your numbers should be.

    one hypothetical hormonal disruption scene:

    you take superdrol, your body senses the powerful androgens, slows production of it's own androgens, and so, estrogen and other hormones are effected, well the body senses this, and tries to fix it, and so, the balancing act begins.

    for some, it can be a recipie for gyno, for others, it may not be.
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