The best legal ph for bulking???
- 03-10-2012, 08:00 AM
- 03-10-2012, 09:11 AM
Mtb, I think everyone here would agree your original post was false... Each time you come back you alter your original statement or imply you didn't mean it how you said it. You are both confusing and confused...PEScience Representativehttp://pescience.com/insider http://facebook.com/pescience
03-10-2012, 09:50 AM
03-10-2012, 09:50 AM
03-10-2012, 10:00 AM
I agree, I'm not bashing just want to make sure people are getting good info. Most people are here to learn. The statement about ph's being hogwash is completely false, and some are active steroids and shouldn't even be considered ph's at all, despite what he said originally!! :-)Originally Posted by Husker89
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03-10-2012, 11:01 AM
This is hilarious. I'll take dianabol and winstrol anavar and halotestin anyway over ph orals. My entire point those was based on injectables hence why I said ph's are hard on the liver. The original formulas of PHs like SuperDrive were farrrr more potent than the newer generations.
Thirdly, you keep saying newer steroids? What are newer steroids? Test prop, sust, test e, deca, winstrol, tren, EQ? All of these i stack with test since they will shut down your natural levels to avoid loss of libido--ESP with deca.
And the only experienced use I have is with spawn and superdrol. And like i said they absolutely work--but it's best to skip a precursor IF U can get the real stuff. Argument is over----my original post is what I stand by
Get enough rest. Follow that diet. Eat more. Eat right. Use whatever supps you want use whatever anabolics you choose pcT. off cycle repeat
03-10-2012, 11:04 AM
a molecule of superdrol is a molecule of superdrol, the potency of the original/earlier compounds was due to contamination if I recall, sorry, not my cup of tea.
Nobody will debate that injectibles are easier on the liver, but with the difficulty in finding a good, legit, and not-overpriced source these days, many of us are left with PHs as the best option. The OP was asking about PHs, it really wasn't a proper move to come in and start bashing on PHs and calling them junk...
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03-10-2012, 11:07 AM
There was a reason they were banned. They work, buy inject are TE way I'd go if I were the poster and could get access to them. But if you want to go down the PH route that website is the greatest info for PHs there is--1AD is the strongest according to it.
03-10-2012, 11:11 AM
I wasn't trying to feed the kid bad info--i was making a point that if he can get a good source for aas go that route. They came out with a newer version bc they altered and removed some compounds if I recall I don't believe it was bc of contamination--it was bc they discovered the controlled substances within them. Recently they took novadex xt off the shelves bc they found it had like actual clomid in it or something along that lines. But yes back to the OP--Use the link I posted that post knows more than i of anyone on this forum!!!
03-10-2012, 12:38 PM
03-10-2012, 01:22 PM
03-10-2012, 01:23 PM
I was saying that as rule of thumb--not literal exact words of that makes any sense bro and youre right it also applies to oral steroids. injectables are the safest best alternative and I know you agree with that. I am not an expert with PHs. But I am very well versed in inject and oral aas's I've tried or used almos every compound to see each effect on my training and body.
But that site I posted is f'ing left!!! Check it out bro it's pretty impressive.
03-10-2012, 01:34 PM
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03-10-2012, 05:26 PM
03-10-2012, 05:32 PM
03-10-2012, 05:33 PM
03-10-2012, 05:41 PM
03-10-2012, 05:46 PM
Warning thread hijack ahead JBryand did I just read right Superdrol = Methyl DHT? Why did super aggrevate my gyno lump when Androhard shrunk it if both are DHT. Any ideas.
03-10-2012, 05:52 PM
methyldrostanolone (sd) is di methylated dht, dianabol is just 17a methyl boldenone, on a mg for mg bases, sd is a far more potent, and stronger androgen d/t the modifications in it's structure.
sd will bind more strongly to the androgen receptor, and it's half life is about twice that of dbol, there is no water retention with sd, but there is an abundance of glycogen storage within the muscle cell. this will cause more water in itself though, as for ever 1g of glyclogen stored within the body, 3g of water are needed to store it.
so with sd, you in reality have a stronger, much more potent steroid that is incapable of aromatization, binds much more strongly to the androgen receptor, and as such, has more interaction with the androgen receptor, as well as having an 8 hour half life, so with that, you have much more chance of hepatotoxicity d/t resistance to breakdown in the liver and other enzymes.
03-10-2012, 06:04 PM
none compare to real anabolics? this is where you make yourself look stupid and unknowledgable. you obviously dont know what a androgenic/anabolic steroid is, in a literal sense. maybe you are meaning to differentiate between non methylated and methylated steroids?
a androgenic/anabolic steroid consist of 3 hexagon carbon atoms, and one pentagon carbon atom.
here is the 2-d drawing of testosterone
see that structure, now look closely at this next one, dehydroepiandrosterone (dhea)
now, take a close look at them, as they are both androgenic/anabolic steroid hormones.
03-10-2012, 06:08 PM
03-10-2012, 06:15 PM
and please, please explain to me how dhea, a 2 step pro hormone to testosterone, or 4-androstenedione, a 1-step pro hormone to testosterone is going to be hell on peoples systems?
how is it testosterone isn't hell, but it's natural precursors in the body are?
what about dht, another natural hormone, with, you guessed it, natural precursors, how are these precursors, such as androstenolone (stanodrol) hell on the body?
let me think of un natural pro hormones (in the full sense of what a real pro hormone is) hmm.. okay, we have delta 2, which is a 2 step pro hormone to desoxytestosterone, ie, non methylated pheraplex. (a natural metabolite in elephant piss btw)
better yet, lets do boldione, a direct precursor to boldenone. so boldenone is cool, and legit, but the compound wich converts directly to it is somehow more dangerous, but has less sides?
this logic isn't making sense. how is the parent hormone okay to use one way, but a danger to use another way?
03-10-2012, 06:22 PM
im not concerned with the diet/training stuff, there are a number of guys on here who know how to put out good advice on that, so i dont have to even think about it.
but androgenic/anabolic steroid advice is a different story. in this catagory, the people who really know something are slim pickens. I dont rip into someone that much, or even post on peoples stuff, unless I see that person needing more than what those such as beast, etc can show.
back to the real injectable stuff.
so you are saying that a person is better off (as in safer?) injecting dianabol, than using a pro hormone to boldenone?
03-10-2012, 06:27 PM
using 20mg methyl trenbolone tabs and 50mg bolasterone tabs. lol. (hint, they are fake)
okay, i can agree there, a pro hormone to testosterone will not be as effective as injecting testosterone.
enzymes are limited, dosing is limited, conversion is limited. first smart thing you've said so far.
but, you did not say this till now, you've been saying something completely different.
03-10-2012, 06:43 PM
so again, testosterone isnt hard on the liver, but the bodies hormones that convert into testosterone are hard on the liver? i'll let you think about that one....
superdrive.... not even going to comment on that, the name says enough.
what newer steroids? well, superdrol, methyl 1-test, pheraplex, dimethazine, dienolone, thg are all newer steroids.
so you stack test prop & test e with test because it shuts down your natural levels and will help avoid loss of libido?
well, spawn contains 1 pro hormone, and 1 (under dosed) oral steroid, the ph is dienedion, a direct precursor to dienolone, a 19 nor androgen similar to trenbolone (but different)
and the oral steroid is epistane, a 17a methylated analog of a steroial aromatase inhibitor used in japan. in vida it's numbers give the presumption it is one of the most potent oral steroids created (but we know that to be wrong)
there is no conversion to anything with epistane, it binds to/interacts with the androgen receptor, just like other androgens, until it is converted by enzymes in the liver or where ever, into an inactive metabolite, just like with other androgens.
superdrol is di (two) methylated dht, it is dihydrotestosterone with an additional 2a methyl group and 17a methyl group.
I say additional because all androgens contain methyls. ha ha, i'll leave that for you to research.
03-10-2012, 06:45 PM
03-10-2012, 06:49 PM
yea, they did contain controlled substances within them, called superdrol, methyl 1-testosterone, pheraplex, methyl dienolone, these are all anabolic steroids, and are not technically legal to sell.
they were later officially made controlled substances (well, not superdrol, not yet at least).
03-10-2012, 06:53 PM
injectables are a more efficiant way of administration. but you can not tell me it is safer to inject dianabol, than to take boldione.
know why? one is methylated, the other is not.
is it safer to inject testosterone from the black market than it is to use esterfied 4-dhea? i mean really?
now, is injecting testosterone a more effective method of administration then taking a pro hormone to test, or testosterone, of course it is. but safer? no, im not going to buy into that one.
03-10-2012, 07:00 PM
it is a much more potent androgen, and will cause much more disruption to your hpta function than other compounds. gyno is caused from multiple hormonal imbalances, taking supraphysiological dosages of any hormone, no matter what it is, can cause a disruption in hpta function, and cause gyno, everyone is different.
this is why baseline blood work numbers, pre hormone use are key, if you dont know what is normal for you, you have no idea what is out of whack.
normal numbers for a male most likely aren't your what your numbers should be.
one hypothetical hormonal disruption scene:
you take superdrol, your body senses the powerful androgens, slows production of it's own androgens, and so, estrogen and other hormones are effected, well the body senses this, and tries to fix it, and so, the balancing act begins.
for some, it can be a recipie for gyno, for others, it may not be.
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