The best legal ph for bulking???
- 03-10-2012, 06:04 PM
none compare to real anabolics? this is where you make yourself look stupid and unknowledgable. you obviously dont know what a androgenic/anabolic steroid is, in a literal sense. maybe you are meaning to differentiate between non methylated and methylated steroids?
a androgenic/anabolic steroid consist of 3 hexagon carbon atoms, and one pentagon carbon atom.
here is the 2-d drawing of testosterone
see that structure, now look closely at this next one, dehydroepiandrosterone (dhea)
now, take a close look at them, as they are both androgenic/anabolic steroid hormones.
- 03-10-2012, 06:08 PM
- 03-10-2012, 06:15 PM
and please, please explain to me how dhea, a 2 step pro hormone to testosterone, or 4-androstenedione, a 1-step pro hormone to testosterone is going to be hell on peoples systems?
how is it testosterone isn't hell, but it's natural precursors in the body are?
what about dht, another natural hormone, with, you guessed it, natural precursors, how are these precursors, such as androstenolone (stanodrol) hell on the body?
let me think of un natural pro hormones (in the full sense of what a real pro hormone is) hmm.. okay, we have delta 2, which is a 2 step pro hormone to desoxytestosterone, ie, non methylated pheraplex. (a natural metabolite in elephant piss btw)
better yet, lets do boldione, a direct precursor to boldenone. so boldenone is cool, and legit, but the compound wich converts directly to it is somehow more dangerous, but has less sides?
this logic isn't making sense. how is the parent hormone okay to use one way, but a danger to use another way?
03-10-2012, 06:22 PM
im not concerned with the diet/training stuff, there are a number of guys on here who know how to put out good advice on that, so i dont have to even think about it.
but androgenic/anabolic steroid advice is a different story. in this catagory, the people who really know something are slim pickens. I dont rip into someone that much, or even post on peoples stuff, unless I see that person needing more than what those such as beast, etc can show.
back to the real injectable stuff.
so you are saying that a person is better off (as in safer?) injecting dianabol, than using a pro hormone to boldenone?
03-10-2012, 06:27 PM
using 20mg methyl trenbolone tabs and 50mg bolasterone tabs. lol. (hint, they are fake)
okay, i can agree there, a pro hormone to testosterone will not be as effective as injecting testosterone.
enzymes are limited, dosing is limited, conversion is limited. first smart thing you've said so far.
but, you did not say this till now, you've been saying something completely different.
03-10-2012, 06:43 PM
so again, testosterone isnt hard on the liver, but the bodies hormones that convert into testosterone are hard on the liver? i'll let you think about that one....
superdrive.... not even going to comment on that, the name says enough.
what newer steroids? well, superdrol, methyl 1-test, pheraplex, dimethazine, dienolone, thg are all newer steroids.
so you stack test prop & test e with test because it shuts down your natural levels and will help avoid loss of libido?
well, spawn contains 1 pro hormone, and 1 (under dosed) oral steroid, the ph is dienedion, a direct precursor to dienolone, a 19 nor androgen similar to trenbolone (but different)
and the oral steroid is epistane, a 17a methylated analog of a steroial aromatase inhibitor used in japan. in vida it's numbers give the presumption it is one of the most potent oral steroids created (but we know that to be wrong)
there is no conversion to anything with epistane, it binds to/interacts with the androgen receptor, just like other androgens, until it is converted by enzymes in the liver or where ever, into an inactive metabolite, just like with other androgens.
superdrol is di (two) methylated dht, it is dihydrotestosterone with an additional 2a methyl group and 17a methyl group.
I say additional because all androgens contain methyls. ha ha, i'll leave that for you to research.
03-10-2012, 06:45 PM
03-10-2012, 06:49 PM
yea, they did contain controlled substances within them, called superdrol, methyl 1-testosterone, pheraplex, methyl dienolone, these are all anabolic steroids, and are not technically legal to sell.
they were later officially made controlled substances (well, not superdrol, not yet at least).
03-10-2012, 06:53 PM
injectables are a more efficiant way of administration. but you can not tell me it is safer to inject dianabol, than to take boldione.
know why? one is methylated, the other is not.
is it safer to inject testosterone from the black market than it is to use esterfied 4-dhea? i mean really?
now, is injecting testosterone a more effective method of administration then taking a pro hormone to test, or testosterone, of course it is. but safer? no, im not going to buy into that one.
03-10-2012, 07:00 PM
it is a much more potent androgen, and will cause much more disruption to your hpta function than other compounds. gyno is caused from multiple hormonal imbalances, taking supraphysiological dosages of any hormone, no matter what it is, can cause a disruption in hpta function, and cause gyno, everyone is different.
this is why baseline blood work numbers, pre hormone use are key, if you dont know what is normal for you, you have no idea what is out of whack.
normal numbers for a male most likely aren't your what your numbers should be.
one hypothetical hormonal disruption scene:
you take superdrol, your body senses the powerful androgens, slows production of it's own androgens, and so, estrogen and other hormones are effected, well the body senses this, and tries to fix it, and so, the balancing act begins.
for some, it can be a recipie for gyno, for others, it may not be.
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03-11-2012, 12:58 AM
03-11-2012, 12:41 PM
Why would anyone be injecting dianabol? They wouldn't. Unless you are implying injecting equipoise aka boldenone. Subject A will inject IM straight actual boldenone aka EQ. Subj B takes the ph precursor to boldenone orally has it filter through the body's organs, hit the blood stream and then reach its intended destination.Originally Posted by jbryand101b
You can throw as much jargon and chart of molecules altered at whatever atom--I can do that to go on and copy and paste it like an expert like you. But you're right I'm wrong. I was wrong I take back everything I said. Go with Superdrol OP. this guys is the authority he knows his ****. I was wrong. Argument over I'm wrong
03-11-2012, 01:27 PM
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03-11-2012, 02:22 PM
If I was new to the supplement & roid scene, I wouldn't know what the hell to try & whom to listen to. A word of advice if you want to know more about steriods & are new to it: go buy Phillps Anabolic Reference Guide on ebay. Its worth the money you'll fork out. Quit reading threads & the bickering & nonsense; the book is a great foundation for understanding this stuff. I still have mine, 5th or 6th addition.
03-11-2012, 02:55 PM
03-11-2012, 03:41 PM
dont buy that ebay crap.
if you are going to get a book to learn about androgenic/anabolic steroids
william llewellyns anabolics 10th edition
seth roberts anabolic pharmacology
really should get both, and once you do, you can then down load yourself a copy of Julius A. Vida - Androgens and Anabolic Agents
03-11-2012, 03:50 PM
Not wrong husked--I thought he meant cookin tabs up like a crack head. Never heard of revorvitt or whatever
03-11-2012, 03:57 PM
03-11-2012, 05:11 PM
It's out of print. If you can find his book elsewhere, fine. But it sounds like you're not a fan of the book anyway. And the Reforvit -B shots don't hurt when you take it orally. But I'm sure all the experts on here already knew that.
03-11-2012, 05:51 PM
you also have injectable winstrol.
injecting methylated steroids is a little different than taking them orally. if you search my old post, you will find out how, as i've talked about it in the past.
and im not an expert, the experts on the subject of aas and such are people like william lewellyn, patrick arnold, seth roberts, dr dana houser, etc
me, i just happen to be a guy who has learned alot, and continues to learn from the experts, which i am far from.
confident? yes. expert? no.
03-11-2012, 05:59 PM
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03-11-2012, 11:47 PM
03-11-2012, 11:50 PM
I'd say the majority take it orally.....but a few of the guys said a few weeks back on here that it worked great IM....but yeah, in the past? I've always heard people take it orally.
03-11-2012, 11:51 PM
did u say reforvit b shots dont hurt when u take it orally? Obviously not because YOUR NOT TAKING A SHOT why would u say that? Stop being sarcastic towards the MORE educated members here, ive learned A LOT FROM JBRY AND others so stop talking ****. They are great to have around cause the can answer **** that normally educated people like me or u cant.
03-12-2012, 12:13 AM
Back to main topic...what are the current ph options out there anyways? I know of Primordial Performance stuff, and Epi and H-drol seem to never go away, but what else? Just wondering. I'm not too interested but I don't mind bridging with ph's tho since sometimes they help give a small kick.
Besides, the topic was for legal ph's..or lets just say legal OTC anabolics.
03-12-2012, 12:56 AM
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03-12-2012, 12:00 PM
On a side note, I have access to the original Trenadrol from Kilosports so I might go with that instead. We'll see
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