All You need to Know about PCT!!!!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by thyrod
    Good read fellas. Got a lot of good input on you and manbeast argument. Pretty helpful. Not trying to be rude but "I don't like change"
    Glad we could help Bro. Lmk if you have any questions...


  2. Quote Originally Posted by DRSTRISMADAST View Post
    And your janitor job is more reputible? U didn't read past the first paragraph because your illiterate n cant dont understand how someone new to this site is more knowledgable than u...U can keep downing me and my school and I'll keep answering all the pm s ive been recieving about proper pct... U keep using ur nolva... Ill see u for gyno surgery soon, uneducated prick... Do janitors get benefits?
    lol @ running out of arguements, and using insults.
    building yourself a bad rep here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Level9Germ View Post
    Common bro why would u take d Bol just take plain steroids if ur gonna do it since first place
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast

    I'm not sure why you would PM me being mr nice guy then talk sh!t in the thread.

    I read through a lot of the thread. It was mainly a regurgitation of info scattered around the boards mixed with whoring of mr supps/n2buildmuscle products.

    I didn't have to read past the first paragraph of your thread to know that you probably didn't graduate highschool, much less have an undergraduate degree at a reputable university.

    So, basically, you're 'some guy' that is going to school, claiming to be a molecular biologist. Just so you know, studying fungi,algae, and bacteria is slightly different than anabolic steroids.
    Why dont u quit insulting n find me a study showing tamoxifen For modern pct, n where n how it starts ur naty hpta n test... sources.please, not sure why u keep avoiding this.... until then go whack it kid....

  4. Haven't seen either side of this argument post studies but I'd be interested in reading both. OP, can you post a link that talks about why you can't use nolva with deca? Don't wanna hear your personal opinion (no offense) just wanna see facts. I've done my research and haven't found a legitimate medical study stating such, just a lot of broscience.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by uniifirex

    lol @ running out of arguements, and using insults.
    building yourself a bad rep here.
    From who, u n soonto... I.dont care what you guys say... I posted reputible info with sources.. U dont know modern medicine so both of u insult my intelligence... Lol, why would I wanna be part of an online community where u insult members base ur opinions of how many post someone has.... U know what, dont worry about it. Im done with u hating, and giving opinions from jow blow gym rat... But ur smarter than me... Ur the kids we make fun of Who post how ur 6 Weeks into cycle with no libido.. im done arguing with the uneducated..
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  6. When i'm home I'll post you more sources...I can post links now...

  7. I'm bored...

    Study AGAINST tamox + 19-nor:
    http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/2614849-post1.html

    Study saying it is ok (note, does not say you should, just that it isn't the end of the world):
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...66#post5266966
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  8. Thnx beast...

  9. I'll gladly read more, those were just the two I had in another thread about the basics of why PCT is needed in the first place after I spent a few weeks seeing "I'm going to do this cycle with <insert OTC test-booster> as PCT" threads...

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  10. Read those already. The former is about cancerous tissue. From my understanding, nolva only upregulates the progesterone receptor in cancerous and uterine tissue.

  11. Pct is more important then the juice itself...

  12. Yes, that is what I've come to think as well, the *only* thing that I can think of is that since cancerous cells themselves are higly anabolic (reproduce fast) is that when we've had our body in an incredibly anabolic state, the non-cancerous cells respond in a similar fashion to cancerous ones with regards to receptor upregulation.

    ManBeast
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  13. Also OP, you keep saying something about prolacting, I'm assuming you mean prolactin?

  14. Oh, that's a given, starting a cycle without a pct in hand ready to go is pure unadulterated stupidity.
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  15. Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast
    Yes, that is what I've come to think as well, the *only* thing that I can think of is that since cancerous cells themselves are higly anabolic (reproduce fast) is that when we've had our body in an incredibly anabolic state, the non-cancerous cells respond in a similar fashion to cancerous ones with regards to receptor upregulation.

    ManBeast
    Haven't thought about it that way, any supporting research or just speculation?

  16. complete speculation, i think it will be hard to find legitimate research done on people "recreationally" using steroids
    -Saving random peoples' nuts, one pair at at time... PCT info:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/192992-pct-what-why.html
    -Are you really ready for a cycle? Read this link and be honest:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/191120-checklist-before-thinking.html
    *I am not a medical expert, my opinions are not professional, and I strongly suggest doing research of your own.*

  17. With the recent growth of hrt and trt I wouldn't be surprised if we started seeing stuff like that

  18. Quote Originally Posted by DRSTRISMADAST View Post
    And your janitor job is more reputible? U didn't read past the first paragraph because your illiterate n cant dont understand how someone new to this site is more knowledgable than u...U can keep downing me and my school and I'll keep answering all the pm s ive been recieving about proper pct... U keep using ur nolva... Ill see u for gyno surgery soon, uneducated prick... Do janitors get benefits?




    FYI, On my lunch break at Janitor City, I read that microbiologists don't actually deal with gyno surgery.
    For me, the action IS the juice.

  19. Im a certified surgical technologist, first assist, and Registered nurse working on a micro degree. TS-C, TS-CFA, n licensed RN... I don't need to explain my self to you.. Plenty of other people are interested in the information and my help

  20. Quote Originally Posted by DRSTRISMADAST View Post
    Im a certified surgical technologist, first assist, and Registered nurse working on a micro degree. TS-C, TS-CFA, n licensed RN... I don't need to explain my self to you.. Plenty of other people are interested in the information and my help
    I call bullsh*t. You're right you don't have to explain anything. Why would anyone believe you, though? You spell like a 2nd grader,and you flat out lied about being molecular biologist.

    None of what you say adds up .

    I'm done.
    For me, the action IS the juice.

  21. Trenbolones active metabolite (17beta-trenbolone) has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor that is actually greater than progesterone itself.
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    Nolavadex makes potentiates/ makes the progesterone receptors sensitive

    = no 19nors (trenbolone/Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - /etc) w/nolavadex


    J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2005 May;95(1-5):83-9.

    Aromatase inhibitors: cellular and molecular effects.

    Miller WR, Anderson TJ, White S, Larionov A, Murray J, Evans D, Krause A, Dixon JM.

    Breast Unit, Western General Hospital, Edinburgh, Scotland, UK.

    Marked cellular and molecular changes may occur in breast cancers following treatment of postmenopausal breast cancer patients with aromatase inhibitors. Neoadjuvant protocols, in which treatment is given with the primary tumour still within the breast, are particularly illuminating. In Edinburgh, we have shown that 3 months treatment with either anastrozole, exemestane or letrozole produces pathological responses in the majority of oestrogen receptor (ER)-rich tumours (39/59) as manifested by reduced cellularity/increased fibrosis. Changes in histological grading may also take place, most notably a reduction in mitotic figures. This probably reflects an influence on proliferation as most tumours (82%) show a marked decrease in the proliferation marker, Ki67. These effects are generally more dramatic than seen with tamoxifen given in the same setting. Differences between aromatase inhibitors and tamoxifen are also apparent in changes in steroid hormone expression. Thus, immuno-staining for progesterone receptor (PgR) is reduced in almost all cases by aromatase inhibitors, becoming undetectable in many. This contrasts with effects of tamoxifen in which the most common change on PgR is to increase expression. Changes in proliferation occur rapidly following the onset of exposure to aromatase inhibitors. Thus, neoadjuvant studies with letrozole in which tumour was sampled before and after 14 days and 3 months treatment show that decreased expression of Ki67 occur at 14 days and, in many cases, the effect is greater at 14 days than 3 months. These early changes precede evidence of clinical response but do not predict for it. However, this study design has allowed RNA analysis of sequential biopsies taken during the neoadjuvant therapy. Based on clustering techniques, it has been possible to subdivide tumours into groups showing distinct patterns of molecular changes. These changes in tumour gene expression may allow definition of tumour cohorts with differing sensitivity to aromatase inhibitors and permit early recognition of response and resistance....

    when you are on PCT the 19 nors are still active in your body as remember that half lives mean half, then half, then half, so you will still have some receptor upregulation long after PCT is over







    "there's 2 phases, on cycle vs PCT.

    when on a cycle which includes nandrolones, use of nolva is contraindicated for gyno symtoms because nolva (also clomid) upregulate progesterone receptors. iow, you increase the liklihood of progesterone sides and sequalae (gyno and hyperprolactinemia)

    when in PCT, as long as most of the active nandrolones have cleared your system (2-3 weeks), use of SERMs nolva/clomid is fine. the p-receptor upregulation is transient and wont affect a subsequent cycle. "

    Dorland's Medical Dictionary for Health Consumers. 2007 by Saunders, an imprint of Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved
    outta one of my books....

    I think that what it comes down to is what works for your body... One study says one thing and one says another.... I have searched for the ast 2 days and when i try to find more info, the next thread says use it...

    Good luck... Tamoxifen and prolactin dont mix at all....

  22. Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast

    I call bullsh*t. You're right you don't have to explain anything. Why would anyone believe you, though? You spell like a 2nd grader,and you flat out lied about being molecular biologist.

    None of what you say adds up .

    I'm done.
    This

  23. Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast

    I call bullsh*t. You're right you don't have to explain anything. Why would anyone believe you, though? You spell like a 2nd grader,and you flat out lied about being molecular biologist.

    None of what you say adds up .

    I'm done.
    He really is what he says, I know him personally and we train together. I don't see why so many ppl r hating on him, its totally uncalled for.

  24. so should i return my nolva and get something else? hahah

  25. I love when I get to see internet arguments, it is like all the drama from high school without me being in the middle.

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/223429-abscent-minded-log.html
    Quote Originally Posted by csa2179 View Post
    Pin the kittens with the tren, then attack the judges with the kittens, uppity bastards

  26. Quote Originally Posted by JoeySon
    so should i return my nolva and get something else? hahah
    No u don't have to.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by JoeySon
    so should i return my nolva and get something else? hahah
    Make sure it's all **** products bro.

    Im sure he's a good enough dude but I know English must've been part of the gen ed requirements of any college degree.

    Lot of info that doesn't match up. He posts a pct article that takes a translator to read basically just trying to get people to buy **** products and then boasts about his pct that he used after his last cycle for quick recovery which did indeed have a serm.

    And then he's a molecular biologist...then an RN...and probably an underwater basket weaver next.

    To many inconsistencies. From what I could understand. Which wasn't much.

    Lots of unwarranted hostility too when people just point out flaws in his arguments. And like a two year old he makes up fictional BS about someones character to try to tear someone down instead of addressing the inconsistencies. Like hell more than likely do after reading this post.

    Whatever though, just my .02

  28. i was half joking, im not too concerned with it as I am running a pmag cycle and feel the nolva will be fine..
    most of that other stuff is far over my head and i dont think ill ever venture down that road of the more harsher stuff so i dont need to concern myself with the nitty gritty details (not to mention his ridiculous stack lol)
    im sure hes not stupid but like somebody said earlier this stuff will always be debated until scientists conduct a study on thousands of juicers and record all the info..from what i read pretty much all the SERM debate is based around breast cancer...

  29. Quote Originally Posted by JoeySon
    i was half joking, im not too concerned with it as I am running a pmag cycle and feel the nolva will be fine..
    most of that other stuff is far over my head and i dont think ill ever venture down that road of the more harsher stuff so i dont need to concern myself with the nitty gritty details (not to mention his ridiculous stack lol)
    im sure hes not stupid but like somebody said earlier this stuff will always be debated until scientists conduct a study on thousands of juicers and record all the info..from what i read pretty much all the SERM debate is based around breast cancer...
    It is mostly all based around breast cancer.

  30. Take his opinion or not.... No need to argue over it.
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