Best Cycle for muscle recovery and no mass gain
- 09-20-2004, 08:36 PM
Best Cycle for muscle recovery and no mass gain
I haven't used anabolics since I was playing collegiate football and weighed almost 70# more than I do now (11 years ago). Now, I am an avid cyclist who cannot seem to recover adequately before each training session (1.5-2 hrs) every day. Currently, I supplement with Endurox, Cytomax, and extra Whey protein. I also get 7-8 hrs. sleep per day. I do not want to cut back on my training and am looking for help with anabolics. All you guru's.....I would appreciate your recommendations.
- 09-20-2004, 08:40 PM
Well I know I would not suggest tren..
What about test only?
- 09-20-2004, 09:44 PM
Originally Posted by Matthew D
Are you really suggesting test? From days past Test products like Cyp, Enth, Sust and Sten did nothing but bulk me up. I do not want to gain weight. Gaining weight is definitely not a cyclist best friend. Now I wouldn't mind dropping to 5% BF (I am always hovering around 10%) and gaining a few# of quality slow-twitch muscle where I could use its (leg). I was thinkig of the proverbial Primo-Winny stack?????
09-20-2004, 10:02 PM
maybe eq at 400 or 600mg/wk?
sorry new member to here, however senior member at many other boards......
09-20-2004, 10:46 PM
EQ? Isn't that like Deca? I was thinking a little too androgenic. What about Pro-Hormones..like 4OHN?
09-20-2004, 11:30 PM
09-20-2004, 11:51 PM
go the legal route. i have no clue the level of competitive cycling you do, but i would stay legal incase a blood test came postitive. in that light, i would highly reccommend m4ohn, due to it's body comp changes. your net weight will remain relatively unaffected but bodyfat will noticeably drop, strength will mildly increase, and you get a "feel good" feeling from it. if you search, somebody posted a study saying that it caused (correct if i'm wrong here) excess dopamine to be released in the brain.
09-21-2004, 12:06 AM
EQ is more anabolic then androgenic. Winny is great and all but what about your joints bro. Winny tends to dry them out bad. I personally like eq or a low dose of test. Primo would also be a nice choice. Also maybe you should think about taking adex or another AI to prevent any water gain. And as long as you workout mainly your legs your not going to build muscle anywhere else.Originally Posted by wet3rd
09-21-2004, 12:23 AM
How has the endurox worked for you? I got a bunch of that crap that I got for free but haven't got around to using yet; thought it was probably useless.Originally Posted by wet3rd
09-21-2004, 12:39 AM
An endurance freak.
Anavar, low dosage of test, or low dose hgh. Using any of these together or alone should help you without causing too much weight gain. In addition, I would imagine they would give you more sprinting and breakaway power. If you are drug tested then hgh would be the best choice.
I do not like the idea of tren b/c it can cause extreme pumps. This will not be somethign an endurance athlete would want to experience, especially since I imagine you legs get a good pump daily.
09-21-2004, 09:11 AM
anadrol + epo = 20w50 blood, you could probably cycle all day
09-21-2004, 11:31 AM
EDIT: saw size's post....good thoughts
09-21-2004, 01:57 PM
I may be wrong...but doesn't Anavar only increase Phospho-Creatine synthesis (good for maybe a minute of sprinting)?
I hear ya on the Drol and the EPO.....kinda scary though. Back in the day I got hepatitis fromtaking 150mg of Drol and never took an oral again. I don't mind intramuscular injections....but doing my own intravenous infusions are scary as well.
I love Endurox.......I haven't bonked since I implemented it and Cytomax and I don't get those hypoglycemic headaches anymore.
I know guys...I am another endurance freak....however, I used to hang with you bro's in the gym.
Thanks guys and keep the advice coming. I am a new student.
09-21-2004, 06:26 PM
It really doesn't matter what you take wet3rd, Your diet will control wether or not you gain wieght. If you keep your calories at maintance leval your not going to gain wieght. period.
Given the drugs history (horses) the drug of choice here is going to be EQ. This was from its invention used to increase stamana and speed ( if you were a race horse that is. )
I would run just EQ (maybe with var or primo??) but that is most likely all you would need. I would try this
400 to 800mg of EQ a week, weeks 1 to 16
PCT is nolvadex 40mg ed for weeks 17 and 18 then 20mg ed for 19 and 20.
09-21-2004, 07:58 PM
Thanks Skye......EQ sounds like it might be the answer to by recovery blues
09-21-2004, 08:09 PM
Like skye said its diet that will determine you weight gain. I'd recommend a small amount of test for a long cycle.
09-21-2004, 08:31 PM
Test, any ester will do. Add some halo to keep it dry, halo is the king of endurance. Plus some hGH and it's gonna be lean, hard, and strong.
09-21-2004, 08:51 PM
how do you get hepatitis from an oral steroid?
09-21-2004, 08:57 PM
It's cholestatic hep, not viral. Or you may be thinking of peliosis hep.Originally Posted by julius kelp
09-22-2004, 03:05 PM
Yep....at the time the docs called it medicinally induced Hepatitis. All Hepatitis is is inflammation of your liver....usually caused by a virus. In my case...it was Drol. Boy, I sure gave the doctors fits trying to determine what type of virus I had. Eventually, and for my own good, I had to let the cat out of the bag.
Dr. D-Isn't Halo the most liver toxic of the bunch? I might be kosher with a small amount of Test, but I don't know about Halo.
Anyone else here about Tyler Hamilton supposedly getting busted for having someone elses blood in him. Doesn't make sense to me....Why not just reinfuse your own blood?
09-22-2004, 03:36 PM
recovery also can be had from getting more sleep at night...8-9 instead of 7-8...as well as eating meals every 2.5 hours, and dont train for more than 1 hour
09-22-2004, 03:49 PM
09-22-2004, 05:29 PM
????Originally Posted by larry_f
09-22-2004, 05:30 PM
He is an endurance athlete, he needs to train for more than an hour. Race times are often well over an hour. Do you think an individual can win a 80+ mile race by only riding 15 miles daily? One could certainly vary training times and intervals (as I am sure he does) but training sessions are going to take time.Originally Posted by bigman420
09-22-2004, 05:39 PM
Larry-Clen? Por Que?
Big Man 420-I know 8-9 hrs. is optimal. Something we all struggle with. I do eat smalll frequent meals throught the day. Never go over 3 hrs. w/o eating. As far as training < than 1 hr. a day. Not going to happen. I always train a min. of 1.5 hrs.......never over 2.5 hrs.
09-22-2004, 05:47 PM
Size- Well Said.......I usually put in around 170 miles a week with one day off from my cardiorespitory endurance training. Lots of intervals and climbing.
My races are generally slightly sub-2 hr. events at altitude
09-22-2004, 06:07 PM
clen is a weight loss and anti-catabolic agent. Not really useful in your situation.
09-22-2004, 07:20 PM
Sorry I responded to the wrong thread about the clenbuterol. They are right its not right
for your needs
09-22-2004, 07:26 PM
It has that rep, but 10mg/d never made my enzymes move at all. I do get a few more nose bleeds on it, but that has to do with changes in clotting factors. I need less sleep and am very focused when I use it. If I were a serious endurance athlete, it would be my choice stacked with some test. Be careful with the clen, or any adrenergic for that matter, if you run or cycle a lot.Originally Posted by wet3rd
09-22-2004, 08:12 PM
imo go with the var. I used it for a bridge for about three months and it did exactly what I needed I even lost a couple pounds, thought I got stronger and harder. anything else I take always buts a little weight on me, even winny. On the clen post above it's not a bad idea to take a little as one of you said above it anti-catabolic so it is going to help you recover a little by just helping your body to spare the muscle as an energy source. Also remember it is an asthma medicine, and helps to open your resp. system a little which is going to help in an endurance event
09-22-2004, 09:17 PM
just how much altitude? That will be a larger factor than most anything else. (The best horse I ever had just lost his steam if I took up to around 6k, and 8k was was brutal)Originally Posted by wet3rd
09-22-2004, 10:01 PM
You nailed it bro! That's why I said avoid the clen. Actually, clonidine would be a good choice. I used to have a friend who'd use it everytime he'd go mountain climbing. He made big claims for it's endurance promoting and oxygen sparing benifits at high altitudes. I use it, and can say it doen't hurt my w/o at all.Originally Posted by Skye
09-22-2004, 10:21 PM
viagra might be betterOriginally Posted by DR.D
hes looking to improve his recovery and such, I don't think hes worried about hypobaric hypoxia. or am I misunderstanding what clonidine is used for?
09-22-2004, 10:28 PM
Your right, Sky. I just took the subject beyond the scope of his question. Sorry to deviate from your point. I'll have to check out the link you posted.
09-23-2004, 01:37 PM
My races are generally around 7.3K-8k ft. I'll never turn down a way to increase my VO2 or my lactic acid threshold. So, I may experiment with a LITTLE Clen.
Viagra make good sense, however, I used it once and it made my head feel like is going to explode. Very uncomfortable. Maybe reduce the dose a little.
If I take Var, should it always be stacked w/ something or would a good cycle start with EQ and finish with Var alone?
09-23-2004, 02:28 PM
Just my opinion for what its worth I would first make sure that your not overdoing the blood doping biz first. (I just reread some of your post). noone wants to hear about you in the obituaries.Originally Posted by wet3rd
having said that I believe that you would be happiest with a large EQ based cycle. You could use var at the begining and end if you wished.
09-23-2004, 02:29 PM
Originally Posted by Skye
We think the same.
09-23-2004, 03:13 PM
wow I don't have a clue about the viagra. I've never tried it for something like that. Aren't those seats pretty uncomfy as it is I imagine they would be hell while sitting on a rod all day
09-23-2004, 05:17 PM
Sorry guys...I think you misunderstood me. i took Viagra once...but it wasn't for cycling. Based off of this experience, (if I were to try it for cycling) I would only use again if i reduced the dose. I should have explained myself better.
Bicycle saddles are interesting ...... I look for the ones that supports my hip bones (with high density material) and then have either a cutout or soft material for the soft tissue behind your boys. From that point its a trial basis deal. Also, the less weight that your hip bones have to support the better. So, If I still weighed 265# (as I did back in the day) the same saddle might not work.
09-24-2004, 09:46 PM
I think the postulation was out there that M4OHN stimulated red blood cell synthesis, ala EPO only to a lesser extent. What do you guys think about him trying M4OHN with EQ?
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