Best Cycle for muscle recovery and no mass gain

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  1. Size- Well Said.......I usually put in around 170 miles a week with one day off from my cardiorespitory endurance training. Lots of intervals and climbing.


    My races are generally slightly sub-2 hr. events at altitude


  2. clen is a weight loss and anti-catabolic agent. Not really useful in your situation.
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  3. Sorry I responded to the wrong thread about the clenbuterol. They are right its not right
    for your needs

  4. Quote Originally Posted by wet3rd
    Dr. D-Isn't Halo the most liver toxic of the bunch? I might be kosher with a small amount of Test, but I don't know about Halo.
    It has that rep, but 10mg/d never made my enzymes move at all. I do get a few more nose bleeds on it, but that has to do with changes in clotting factors. I need less sleep and am very focused when I use it. If I were a serious endurance athlete, it would be my choice stacked with some test. Be careful with the clen, or any adrenergic for that matter, if you run or cycle a lot.

  5. imo go with the var. I used it for a bridge for about three months and it did exactly what I needed I even lost a couple pounds, thought I got stronger and harder. anything else I take always buts a little weight on me, even winny. On the clen post above it's not a bad idea to take a little as one of you said above it anti-catabolic so it is going to help you recover a little by just helping your body to spare the muscle as an energy source. Also remember it is an asthma medicine, and helps to open your resp. system a little which is going to help in an endurance event
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by wet3rd
    Size- Well Said.......I usually put in around 170 miles a week with one day off from my cardiorespitory endurance training. Lots of intervals and climbing.


    My races are generally slightly sub-2 hr. events at altitude
    just how much altitude? That will be a larger factor than most anything else. (The best horse I ever had just lost his steam if I took up to around 6k, and 8k was was brutal)

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Skye
    just how much altitude?
    You nailed it bro! That's why I said avoid the clen. Actually, clonidine would be a good choice. I used to have a friend who'd use it everytime he'd go mountain climbing. He made big claims for it's endurance promoting and oxygen sparing benifits at high altitudes. I use it, and can say it doen't hurt my w/o at all.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    You nailed it bro! That's why I said avoid the clen. Actually, clonidine would be a good choice. I used to have a friend who'd use it everytime he'd go mountain climbing. He made big claims for it's endurance promoting and oxygen sparing benifits at high altitudes. I use it, and can say it doen't hurt my w/o at all.
    viagra might be better
    http://www.echojournal.org/archives/000222.html

    hes looking to improve his recovery and such, I don't think hes worried about hypobaric hypoxia. or am I misunderstanding what clonidine is used for?

  9. Your right, Sky. I just took the subject beyond the scope of his question. Sorry to deviate from your point. I'll have to check out the link you posted.

  10. My races are generally around 7.3K-8k ft. I'll never turn down a way to increase my VO2 or my lactic acid threshold. So, I may experiment with a LITTLE Clen.

    Viagra make good sense, however, I used it once and it made my head feel like is going to explode. Very uncomfortable. Maybe reduce the dose a little.

    If I take Var, should it always be stacked w/ something or would a good cycle start with EQ and finish with Var alone?

  11. Quote Originally Posted by wet3rd
    My races are generally around 7.3K-8k ft. I'll never turn down a way to increase my VO2 or my lactic acid threshold. So, I may experiment with a LITTLE Clen.

    Viagra make good sense, however, I used it once and it made my head feel like is going to explode. Very uncomfortable. Maybe reduce the dose a little.

    If I take Var, should it always be stacked w/ something or would a good cycle start with EQ and finish with Var alone?
    Just my opinion for what its worth I would first make sure that your not overdoing the blood doping biz first. (I just reread some of your post). noone wants to hear about you in the obituaries.

    having said that I believe that you would be happiest with a large EQ based cycle. You could use var at the begining and end if you wished.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Skye
    Just my opinion for what its worth I would first make sure that your not overdoing the blood doping biz first. (I just reread some of your post). noone wants to hear about you in the obituaries.

    having said that I believe that you would be happiest with a large EQ based cycle. You could use var at the begining and end if you wished.

    We think the same.

  13. wow I don't have a clue about the viagra. I've never tried it for something like that. Aren't those seats pretty uncomfy as it is I imagine they would be hell while sitting on a rod all day

  14. Sorry guys...I think you misunderstood me. i took Viagra once...but it wasn't for cycling. Based off of this experience, (if I were to try it for cycling) I would only use again if i reduced the dose. I should have explained myself better.

    Bicycle saddles are interesting ...... I look for the ones that supports my hip bones (with high density material) and then have either a cutout or soft material for the soft tissue behind your boys. From that point its a trial basis deal. Also, the less weight that your hip bones have to support the better. So, If I still weighed 265# (as I did back in the day) the same saddle might not work.

  15. I think the postulation was out there that M4OHN stimulated red blood cell synthesis, ala EPO only to a lesser extent. What do you guys think about him trying M4OHN with EQ?

  16. Doesn't matter now, he's banned

  17. what happened?

  18. lol thats crazy
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