Best Cycle for muscle recovery and no mass gain

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by wet3rd
    Size- Well Said.......I usually put in around 170 miles a week with one day off from my cardiorespitory endurance training. Lots of intervals and climbing.


    My races are generally slightly sub-2 hr. events at altitude
    just how much altitude? That will be a larger factor than most anything else. (The best horse I ever had just lost his steam if I took up to around 6k, and 8k was was brutal)


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Skye
    just how much altitude?
    You nailed it bro! That's why I said avoid the clen. Actually, clonidine would be a good choice. I used to have a friend who'd use it everytime he'd go mountain climbing. He made big claims for it's endurance promoting and oxygen sparing benifits at high altitudes. I use it, and can say it doen't hurt my w/o at all.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by DR.D
    You nailed it bro! That's why I said avoid the clen. Actually, clonidine would be a good choice. I used to have a friend who'd use it everytime he'd go mountain climbing. He made big claims for it's endurance promoting and oxygen sparing benifits at high altitudes. I use it, and can say it doen't hurt my w/o at all.
    viagra might be better
    http://www.echojournal.org/archives/000222.html

    hes looking to improve his recovery and such, I don't think hes worried about hypobaric hypoxia. or am I misunderstanding what clonidine is used for?

  4. Your right, Sky. I just took the subject beyond the scope of his question. Sorry to deviate from your point. I'll have to check out the link you posted.

  5. My races are generally around 7.3K-8k ft. I'll never turn down a way to increase my VO2 or my lactic acid threshold. So, I may experiment with a LITTLE Clen.

    Viagra make good sense, however, I used it once and it made my head feel like is going to explode. Very uncomfortable. Maybe reduce the dose a little.

    If I take Var, should it always be stacked w/ something or would a good cycle start with EQ and finish with Var alone?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by wet3rd
    My races are generally around 7.3K-8k ft. I'll never turn down a way to increase my VO2 or my lactic acid threshold. So, I may experiment with a LITTLE Clen.

    Viagra make good sense, however, I used it once and it made my head feel like is going to explode. Very uncomfortable. Maybe reduce the dose a little.

    If I take Var, should it always be stacked w/ something or would a good cycle start with EQ and finish with Var alone?
    Just my opinion for what its worth I would first make sure that your not overdoing the blood doping biz first. (I just reread some of your post). noone wants to hear about you in the obituaries.

    having said that I believe that you would be happiest with a large EQ based cycle. You could use var at the begining and end if you wished.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Skye
    Just my opinion for what its worth I would first make sure that your not overdoing the blood doping biz first. (I just reread some of your post). noone wants to hear about you in the obituaries.

    having said that I believe that you would be happiest with a large EQ based cycle. You could use var at the begining and end if you wished.

    We think the same.

  8. wow I don't have a clue about the viagra. I've never tried it for something like that. Aren't those seats pretty uncomfy as it is I imagine they would be hell while sitting on a rod all day

  9. Sorry guys...I think you misunderstood me. i took Viagra once...but it wasn't for cycling. Based off of this experience, (if I were to try it for cycling) I would only use again if i reduced the dose. I should have explained myself better.

    Bicycle saddles are interesting ...... I look for the ones that supports my hip bones (with high density material) and then have either a cutout or soft material for the soft tissue behind your boys. From that point its a trial basis deal. Also, the less weight that your hip bones have to support the better. So, If I still weighed 265# (as I did back in the day) the same saddle might not work.

  10. I think the postulation was out there that M4OHN stimulated red blood cell synthesis, ala EPO only to a lesser extent. What do you guys think about him trying M4OHN with EQ?

  11. Doesn't matter now, he's banned

  12. what happened?

  13. lol thats crazy
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