SD/Bold/Epi/Androhard

[darsh89]

Cycle will start on Sunday, February 26. Began preloading yesterday.

Start Weight: 180-182 @10-11%

Notable PR's: squat 405 x 5, bench: 335 x 5, db bench: 120s x 10, dead lift: 505 x 1, hang cleans: 225 x 2

Goals: Finish cycle at either 181-183 @8-9% or 185-189 @ 9-10%
-Would like to add size in upper chest, calves, traps, and back width. Want to lean out some.

Diet: Will eat right at maintenance every day. Will adjust maintenance cals if weight increases, or if i feel i need more carbs.

Workout: no idea yet, maybe gvt, maybe phat, maybe just a 5 day split, unlikely that i will follow the same workout the entire time

Layout:

SD: 10/10/10/00/00/00/00
Bold: 600/600/600/600/600/800/800
Androhard: 6/6/6/6/6/6/6
Epi: 46/46/46/46/46/54/00 (epivar, weird dosing, 18 mg caps, + some havoc)

Supports:
-cycle assist, celery seed extract, tudca (500 a day for first 3 weeks then 250 mgs a day), liv 52, coq10, vitamin c

PCT:
nolva 20/20/10/10/10
fadogia: 1/1/1/1
daa: 3/3/3/3/3/3
erase: 0/0/0/3/2/3/2/2/1
Ursobolic: 9/9/9/9/9/9/12

Questions and comments welcome.

Will get up before pics next week and post after pics during pct

 

[ManBeast]

Looks well thought out, please start a log in the log section so it doesn't get deleted, I'm quite interested in your results.

ManBeast

 

[darsh89]

Looks well thought out, please start a log in the log section so it doesn't get deleted, I'm quite interested in your results.

ManBeast

Thanks. As in under cycle info? if so I just posted one there and this one can be deleted

 

[ManBeast]

Yes, if you want this one deleted you'll have to get the ear of a mod, otherwise it will probably just die on its own if we ignore it lol

ManBeast

 

[ryansm]

Why the Epi and SD, especially with two other hormones? BTW nice lifts at your weight

 

[darsh89]

Why the Epi and SD, especially with two other hormones? BTW nice lifts at your weight

SD just to get things kickin early while the other hormones get going. if at two weeks i feel like everything is in full force then ill just drop the sd at that point

 

[ryansm]

SD just to get things kickin early while the other hormones get going. if at two weeks i feel like everything is in full force then ill just drop the sd at that point

You have been hanging out at PHF too much I don't see the need at all, if you can't get the gains you are looking for without stacking 4 different oral hormones it's time to reevaluate, jmo.

 

[jaydollars]

You have been hanging out at PHF too much I don't see the need at all, if you can't get the gains you are looking for without stacking 4 different oral hormones it's time to reevaluate, jmo.

I agree with this, I would run the epi alone and drop the SD but that's just me, but I bet if you picked just 2 of those compounds by the end of the cycle you would have "similar" results as running all 4...have you ever run SD before, pretty sure the 10mg would be awesome but you might get same results from the EPI alone

Also, did you have the bold saved up, noticed a couple people running this now and I know its been banned for a little while

 

[darsh89]

You have been hanging out at PHF too much I don't see the need at all, if you can't get the gains you are looking for without stacking 4 different oral hormones it's time to reevaluate, jmo.

I appreciate the advice.

I dont really think we should count androhard/stanodrol, not that its bad or anything, but its solely there for the androgenic balance, but i do get what your saying. I just always get annoyed the the two week lag at the beginning of cycles, especially since i dont use stims on cycle so i really wanna use the sd to get thigns started. Plus my idea was to put on some solid mass the first 3 weeks with the sd, and then use the final 4 to really solidify that mass and lean out.

 

[darsh89]

I agree with this, I would run the epi alone and drop the SD but that's just me, but I bet if you picked just 2 of those compounds by the end of the cycle you would have "similar" results as running all 4...have you ever run SD before, pretty sure the 10mg would be awesome but you might get same results from the EPI alone

Also, did you have the bold saved up, noticed a couple people running this now and I know its been banned for a little while

Yeah i had the bold saved from awhile back, hoping that it wont disappoint.

 

[darsh89]

Tentative workout plan:

Waves (the number of reps im shooting for on all three ascending sets. For example for compounds: Bench press: 255 x 12, 265 x 12, 275 x 12, then the next week I would increase weight and shoot for ten reps, so maybe 270 x 10, 280 x 10, 290 x 10. This same progression will apply to isolation moves as well, but in a reverse order)

Week 1: Compound: 12, Iso: 6
Week 2: Compound: 10, Iso: 8
Week 3: Compound: 8, Iso: 10
Week 4: Compound: 6, Iso: 12
*some exceptions

Weeks 5-7: PHAT

Chest:
Incline Dumbbell: 3 x wave*Compound
Flat Barbell: 3 x wave*Compound
Dips: 3 x wave*Iso
Cable Cross: 2- 3 x wave*Iso
Incline DB Flyes: 2-3 x wave*Iso
Pushups: Wide and incline

Back:
Dead Lift: 3 x wave*Compound
Pull Ups: 3 x wave*Compound
Wide Barbell Row: 3 x wave*Compound
T Bar Row: 2-3 x wave*Iso
Cable Middle Back Row: 2-3 x wave*Compound
Reverse Grip Pull Downs: 2-3 x wave*Compound
Bent over db pull backs: 3 x wave*Iso
Pullovers: 1 x burnout (15-20)

Off:

Shoulders/Traps/Upper Chest:
Incline Barbell: 3 x wave*Compound
Hang Clean: 3 x wave*C *** (Waves 6,5,4,3)
Seated shoulder press machine: 3x wave*Iso
Shrug Machine: 3 x wave*Compound
Face pulls: 3x wave*Iso
Side Raise: 3 x wave*Iso

Legs:
Squat: 3 x wave*Compound
GHR: 3 x wave*Iso
1 leg leg press: 3 x wave*Compound
Leg extension: 2 x wave*Iso
Hack squat: 3 x wave*Iso
Leg curl: 2 x wave*Iso
Standing calf raise: 3 x wave*Compound
Seated calf raise: 3 x wave*Iso

Arms:
Dips: 3 x wave*Compound
Hammer Pullups: 3 x wave*Iso
Skull Crusher: 3 x wave*compound
Mid heigh cable flat bar curls: 3 x wave*Compound
Pushdowns: 3 x wave*Compound
Incline db curls: 3 x wave*Iso
DB overhead tricep extension: 3 x wave*iso

Off:

 

[darsh89]

considering running epi the 7th week as well at 60. thoughts/issues?

 

[darsh89]

cycle starts tomorrow

 

[handcannon7]

considering running epi the 7th week as well at 60. thoughts/issues?

You can run epi or 6 weeks @ 60mg and be ok, its not really crazy but the fact youre running sd b4 it, for a total of 10 weeks on orals is more of what Id be worried about, why not get some test and REAL bold, boldadrol is ****.

 

[darsh89]

You can run epi or 6 weeks @ 60mg and be ok, its not really crazy but the fact youre running sd b4 it, for a total of 10 weeks on orals is more of what Id be worried about, why not get some test and REAL bold, boldadrol is ****.

its 7 weeks or orals
SD: 10/10/10/00/00/00/00
epi: 46/46/46/46/46/54/60

send me some free test and bold and ill think about running it :thumbsup:

 

[ryansm]

considering running epi the 7th week as well at 60. thoughts/issues?

Get bloods during

 

[handcannon7]

Get bloods during

Tbh he should just leave it at 6 weeks of epi... Why waste the money on blood's to see of he can run one more week of epi? Just get blood's after PCT IMO there are only a few reasons to ever get on cycle bloods done, ie you know you feel something's wrong, wondering if you can continue,if you can bridge, how long cruise should be etc.

 

[darsh89]

Day 1:

The placebo effect is quite strong today. Felt solid in the gym, especially since i am used to having a preworkout and i dont take them on cycle.

Weight: 180.0

wamup: shoulder pre habs + jump rope

Chest:

Incline BB: 175 x 12, 185 x 12, 195 x 12

Flat db: 80s x 12, 85s x 12, 90s x 12

Weighted Dips: 3 sets of 12 with 50 pounds

Incline Flyes: 35s x 6, 40s x 6, 45s x 6

Cable cross: 45 x 6, 50 x 6, 55 x 6

Neck bench burnout: 135 x 11

incline pushups: 17

wide pushups: 10

reverse grip pushups: 11

calf raise: 240 x 8 x 3

hanging sit ups with 10 pounds behind head: 3 sets of 8

 

[darsh89]

Day 2:

Weight: 182.0 (+2)

Felt good today. Had a pretty intense pump and some extra vascularity and in a really good mood now for two days in a row. SD could be kickin in a little bit already

Dead lifts: 315 x 10, 12, 12

Pull ups: 12, 12, 12

Bent over bb rows: 135 x 12, 145 x 12, 155 x 12

t bar rows: 100 x 6, 110 x 6, 120 x 6

reverse pull downs: 120 x 12, 130 x 12, 140 x 12,

cable middle back rows: 105 x 12, 120 x 12, 135 x 12

bent over db pull backs: 20 x 6, 25 x 6, 30 x 6

db pull overs burnout: 30 x 15



305 carbs, 270 protein, 85 fat

 

[ryansm]

Tbh he should just leave it at 6 weeks of epi... Why waste the money on blood's to see of he can run one more week of epi? Just get blood's after PCT IMO there are only a few reasons to ever get on cycle bloods done, ie you know you feel something's wrong, wondering if you can continue,if you can bridge, how long cruise should be etc.

I agree but he is doing 8 regardless, and considering the addition of SD I would still recommend getting bloods on cycle, it isn't a waste imo to get it done.

 

[darsh89]

I agree but he is doing 8 regardless, and considering the addition of SD I would still recommend getting bloods on cycle, it isn't a waste imo to get it done.

its only 7 weeks

 

[darsh89]

Day 3:

Weight: 183.0 (+3.0)

Still in a really good mood and feeling energetic throughout the day. Felt solid in the gym and was able to push out a few exta reps on some sets, vascularity is up, starting to see horizontal veins pop outta biceps. Also even though im up 3 pounds i appear a little leaner, my girlfriend commented on it today

Incline DB: 80 x 12, 90 x 12, 100 x 12

hang cleans: 135 x 6, 145 x 6, 155 x 6

machine shoulder press: 220 x 6, 230 x 6, 240 x 10 *PR

shrug machine: 230 x 12, 240 x 12, 250 x 12

side raises: 25 x 6, 30 x 6, 35 x 6 *PR

face pulls: 90 x 6, 100 x 6, 100 x 7

270 protein, 305 carbs, 85 fat

 

[darsh89]

Doesnt seem to be much interest in this log, but i will continue for a few weeks anyway.


Day 4:

Weight: 185 (+5.0)

Whoever thinks that superdrol at 10 mgs has no place should try it. Im up 5 pounds in 4 days (granted its certainly not all muscle) and gettting ridiculous pumps just doing every day activities. Even tho im up 5 pounds i am able to see my abs more clearly than i could a week ago. I really felt extra energy and drive today while doing legs and also some intense back pumps, so far so good.

Squats: 225 x 12, 245 x 12, 275 x 12

glute ham raise: 3 sets of 6

hack squat: machine + 50 x 6, 60 x 6, 70 x 6

1 leg leg press: machine + 50 x 12, 60 x 12, 70 x 12

1 leg leg curl: 90 x 6, 110 x 6

leg ext: 150 x 6, 160 x 6

standing calf raise: 120 x 12, 135 x 12, 150 x 12

seated calf raise: 115 x 6, 125 x 6, 135 x 6

 

[ManBeast]

I'm checking in from time to time, I'm a believer in low-dose SD myself.

 

[darsh89]

I'm checking in from time to time, I'm a believer in low-dose SD myself.

I feel like it could be run longer if the dose was slowly ramped up

 

[HereToStudy]

I would still recommend getting bloods on cycle, it isn't a waste imo to get it done.

It really is never a bad idea to. I can't lie and say I regularly get on cycle bloodwork done, but to call it a waste is incorrect.

 

[darsh89]

It really is never a bad idea to. I can't lie and say I regularly get on cycle bloodwork done, but to call it a waste is incorrect.

I have been considering this. I would have to go through a private lab so ill have to get a quote. Since its on cycle would just a hepatic panel be enough?

 

[ManBeast]

there is a sticky at the top, it reccomends the women's panel (your results will come back as male ranges though).

 

[darsh89]

there is a sticky at the top, it reccomends the women's panel (your results will come back as male ranges though).

yeah, im just wondering if just a hepatic panel would be cheaper though, gotta save money for law school

 

[darsh89]

Day 5:

Weight: N/A

hit arms today and had a really good pump going. Felt kinda lethargic and bloated at times though, but still hit some solid pr's

Weighted Dips: 90 x 6, 135 x 6, 6 *PR

Weighted Pullups: 45 x 6, 6, 6 *PR

Skull Crusher: 65 x 12, 75 x 12, 85 x 12

incline db curls: 35 x 6, 40 x 6, 45 x 6 *PR

dbs overhead extension: 35sx 6, 40s x 6, 6 *PR

pushdowns: 105 x 12, 120 x 12, 135 x 12

shoulder height cable curl: 70 x 12, 80 x 12, 90 x 12 *PR

wrist curls reg and reverse: 45 x 25 x 4 sets

 

[HereToStudy]

there is a sticky at the top, it reccomends the women's panel (your results will come back as male ranges though).

Yep, I use privatemdlabs for all my bloodwork.

 

[darsh89]

Day 6: Off

Day 7:

Weight: N/A

Woke up this morning and felt really pumped and ready to go. Workout went really well, got some ridiculous pumps to the point where it was painful. After my final heavy set of incline barbell my chest literally hurt it was pumped so much.

Incline bb: 195 x 10, 205 x 10, 225 x 10 *PR

flat db: 90 x 10, 95 x 10, 100 x 13

Weighted dips; 70 x 8, 8, 8, un weighted burnout x 21

incline db flyes: 40 x 10, 45 x 8, 50 x 8 *PR

cable cross: 50 x 8, 55 x 8, 60 x 8

neck bench: 135 x 11

incline pushups: 17

wide pushups: 15

reverse grip pushups: 30 *PR

calf raise: 300 x 6 x 3 *PR

seated calves: 135 x 8 x 3

 

[NuclearLaunch]

Definitely in for a log like this.

 

[HereToStudy]

Bangin' out those PRs.

 

[darsh89]

Thanks man, stuff is kickin in quick and workin great

 

[darsh89]

Day 8:

Weight: 184.2

Felt really strong today but not quite as energized. Also, had a really hard time getting out of bed this morning even though i slept 9 hours. A few people at the gym commented that i looked bigger, it seems my shoulders and chest are starting to stick out more.

Deadlift 315 x 10, 335 x 10, 365 x 12 *PR

Weighted pullups: +25 x 10, 8, +0 x 11

Wide grip bb rows: 155 x 10, 165 x 10, 175 x 10

T bar rows: 110 x 8, 120 x 8, 130 x 8 *PR

middle back cable rows: 135 x 10, 150 x 10, 165 x 10

reverse grip pulldown: 140 x 10, 150 x 10, 160 x 10

db pull backs: 20 x 8, 25 x 8, 30 x 8 *PR

db pullovers burnout: 30 x 20

 

[darsh89]

Day 9:

Weight: 183 (not really sure why its decreasing, but no big deal i look leaner, maybe i have not been adequately adding in more cals for my cardio)

Didnt feel like doing the planned workout, i get bored with workouts really quick. I just didnt feel like trying to push maximum amount of weight so i decided to hit a lot of supersets and really get a massive pump going and focus on peak muscle contractions. I would rather add size than just push for PR's every day which will likely result in me messing up my shoulders. I did my reps alot slower, used a little less weight, and held contractions for a few seconds on every rep. Well this lead to a painfully great workout. My upper chest and shoulders have never looked like this before, they looked retard mode big with veins busting out of places id never seen before. My body feels pumped, destroyed and ready to go lift again all at the same time. Also my energy was really good. I did a workout that would have normally taken 80 mins in like 50 minutes.

I didnt record this workout so ill go off memory:

Incline db: 80 x 9, 7, 8
ss with incline machine press: 100 x 6, 5, 5

hang cleans: 135 x 5, 5, 5
ss with bb shrugs: 12, 11, 13

shoulder press machine: 230 x 8, 7, 10
ss with power band shoulder presses: 6, 7, 5

band upright rows: rep for 20 seconds, rest 10 seconds, repeat 8 times

side raises: 10s on each hand, repeated above

shrug machine: 180 x 6, 8, 8
ss with reverse bb shrugs: 135 x 12, 8, 8

face pulls: 70 x 8, 8, 9

 

[ManBeast]

I think its safe to say most all things have kicked in?

ManBeast

 

[darsh89]

i would say everything except the bold, which will prob take a few weeks

I think its safe to say most all things have kicked in?

ManBeast

 

[darsh89]

Day 10:

Weight: 185.2 (+5.2 pounds)

Hit legs hard today with slow reps and some super sets. Legs felt pumped to the max and almost hurt to bend. I have noticed veins coming out of my quads before, but today on squats and leg extensions they were actually busting out in a disgustingly cool way. Got some really bad back pumps from squats and rdl's, 8 grams of taurine + a gallon of water did nothing. After the workout i had my protein shake and i already feel recovered.

Again didnt record the workout so ill go off memory.

Super slow squats: 225 x 8, 8, 8
ss with db rdl: 50s x 5, 6, 6

glute ham raise: 5, 5, 5

slow lunges: 40s x 6, 7, 7
ss with high box step ups: 25s x 5, 5, 4

1 leg leg press: 140 x 6, 6, 7
ss with seated leg curl: 100 x 6, 7, 8

1 leg back extension: 5 reps each side

leg extension extended set burnout: 50 x 20 seconds on then rest 10 seconds and repeat for 8 rounds

 

[HereToStudy]

Nice workout and keep it up. I have yet to experience back pumps, but as of yet I have avoided SD.

 

[thyrod]

I'm in for this! GET EM DONE!

 

[darsh89]

Nice workout and keep it up. I have yet to experience back pumps, but as of yet I have avoided SD.

So far i got them on every cycle. Got them back with ah/am but not that bad. They were rough yesterday, but almost a welcome feel at the same time.

 

[darsh89]

Day 11: Weight: 186.2 (+6.2 pounds) Weight was up again today, but my cheat meal yesterday likely had something to do with that. Did look really full and vascular in the gym today. Hit arms realy hard. There were a lot of disctractions at my gym today but still managed to have a great workout. pumps were unreal and felt really focused even with the distractions. My appetite is beginning to increase, i am starting to crave food like 30 minutes after i eat. Another unplanned workout: varying speed dips: 12, 20, 17, 11 ss with hammer grip pullups: 11, 9, 8, 8 pushdowns: 120 x 15, 150 x 10, 9 ss with cable curl: 90 x 11, 10, 10 overhead db extensions: 35s x 8, 8, 7 ss with incline db curls: 25s x 10, 9, 9 skullcrushers: 85 x 9, 8, 8 ss with hammer curls: 35s x 5, 5, 5 kickbacks: 15s x 10, 7, 9 ss with close grip pushups: 6, 6, 5

 

[darsh89]

Day 12: Weight: 187.6 (+7.6 pounds) I am starting to notice some nice physical changes. Shoulders, back chest and arms are all looking considerably more full and vascular, yet defined at the same time. I am getting ridiculous pumps during workouts within the first set or two and the pumps stay with me all day. I dont really feel a lot outside of the gym except that i feel really full. During the workouts though I have great energy and focus and dont seem to get tired at all. Another supersets/bodybuilding day: wide lat pull: 135 x 10, 9, 9 ss with reverse lat pull: 135 x 6, 5, 5 D handle alternating pull downs: 135 x 9, 9, 8 ss with power band reverse flyes: 10, 12, 11 t bar rows: 90 x 6, 8, 8 ss with lying incline db middle back row: 40s x 12, 8, 9 wide grip inverted rows: 11, 10, 10 ss with reverse grip inverted rows: 5, 5, 5 back extension holding 5s over my head: 6, 6 facepulls: 75 x 12, 15 reverse pec dec: 55 x 12

 

[ryansm]

Looks like you are in the pound a day category

 

[darsh89]

Looks like you are in the pound a day category

It wouldnt bother me a bit if it continued at this rate

 

[HereToStudy]

It wouldnt bother me a bit if it continued at this rate

Haha, I would figure as such. :toofunny:

 

[darsh89]

Day 13:

Weight: 187.4 (+7.4)

Weight holding at 187ish. I will be taking the next 4 days off due to going snow boarding so i had to hit it extra hard today. Chest felt like it was going to explode, has some bishes mirin my pecs. shoulder veins are starting to look indicative of a roid user

Incline bb: 185 x 12, 225 x 6, 225 x 7
ss with medicine ball pushups: 6, 7, 7

flat db: 100s x 6, 6, 7
ss with swiss ball squeeze pushup: 6, 7, 7

Ring Dips: 6, 10, 11
ss with low power band cable flye: 8, 8, 8

TRX suspension decline pushups: 10, 11, 13
ss with high power band cable flye: 9, 8, 8

incline machine press: 150 x 8, 8
ss with low rope cables: 25s x 7, 7

decline machine press: 150 x 7, 7

pec dec burnout: 75 x 11

 

[jjrousseau]

Looking at doing a SD or epi run next. I'm along for the ride.

Great log!